The Way I See It 2

[RealCowboyfan]

a runningback that could help carry the load or maybe just take over, and a Quarterback that the Cowboys could either mold as a backup or maybe even a starter...

These players im listing could be in the range for the Dallas Cowboys.

These are my ranked positions

Quarterback::
1. Omar Jacobs-

:starspin 3rd Round
OMAR JACOBS MEASURABLES Height: 6-3

Weight: 232 40-yard dash: 4.84 10-yard dash: 1.64 20-yard shuttle: 4.29 60-yard shuttle: Broad jump: 9-0 225-lb. bench: 3-cone drill: 7.47 Vertical jump: 32

Wonderlic: 18 20-yard dash: 2.81

Has the ideal height and build. Is an outstanding athlete, strong with big hands. Has a strong arm; makes all the necessary NFL throws. Throws a nice deep ball; shows good zip on out routes and can deliver the ball into tight spots. Shows great accuracy and touch on passes. Leads receivers well; hits them in stride and puts them in position for yards after the catch. Throws a catchable ball; works best with short-to-intermediate routes. Is quick and willing to tuck the ball and run. Has terrific speed as a good open-field runner. Shows fine footwork and gets set quickly. Has good pocket awareness; can sidestep traffic and escape pass rushers. Makes good decisions.


2. Charlie Whitehurst::
:starspin 3rd Round
CHARLIE WHITEHURST MEASURABLES Height: 6-4

Weight: 223 40-yard dash: 4.75 10-yard dash: 1.65 20-yard shuttle: 4.11 60-yard shuttle: Broad jump: 9-4 225-lb. bench: 3-cone drill: 7.00 Vertical jump: 33 Wonderlic: 31 20-yard dash: 2.74

Is tall and sturdy. Sees over offensive linemen and easily spots receivers in open passing windows. Shows the strong arm to make every NFL pass with a high release point. Consistently completes downfield passes and deep-out routes. Is efficient when rolling left or right. Shows nice touch and precision on underneath routes. Sells the run well on play-action fakes. If given time, can pick apart a defense.

3. Brodie Croyle

:starspin 3rd Round
BRODIE CROYLE MEASURABLES Height: 6-2

Weight: 205 40-yard dash: 4.90 10-yard dash: 1.65 20-yard shuttle: 4.25 60-yard shuttle: Broad jump: 8-8 225-lb. bench: 3-cone drill: 7.34 Vertical jump: 30

Wonderlic: 24 20-yard dash: 2.80
Is a true pocket passer with a good frame. Has room to add bulk. Shows a strong arm with nice touch. Makes all the NFL throws. Can stretch the field vertically and fit passes into tight spaces. Puts outstanding zip on deep outs. Reads defenses well, and shows a quick release. Shows a fast throwing motion to minimize turnovers. Leads receivers well on intermediate and downfield routes. Makes good decisions. Protects the ball.

4. Reggie McNeal
:starspin 5th Round

REGGIE MCNEAL MEASURABLES Height: 6-2 Weight: 198 40-yard dash: 4.35 10-yard dash: 1.56 20-yard shuttle: 4.25 60-yard shuttle: Broad jump: 10-1 225-lb. bench: 3-cone drill: 6.96 Vertical jump: 32 Wonderlic: 14 20-yard dash: 2.59

Is the most athletic quarterback in the '06 class. Is a big-time running threat. Shows rare speed, acceleration and agility. Is elusive with good vision; always makes initial defenders miss. Drops back quickly; is difficult to contain in the pocket. Makes plays while throwing on the run, and excels at keeping plays alive. Has the arm strength to make all the NFL throws. Can drive the ball downfield and deliver passes into tight spots. Improved as a decision-maker as a senior; had fewer mental breakdowns, fewer turnovers and more production.


5. Marcus Vick-
:starspin 7th Round

MARCUS VICK MEASURABLES Height: 6-0 Weight: 207 40-yard dash: 4.42 10-yard dash: 1.59 20-yard shuttle: 4.08 60-yard shuttle: Broad jump: 9-9 225-lb. bench: 3-cone drill: 6.94 Vertical jump: 36 Wonderlic: 11 20-yard dash: 2.65

Has elite speed and mobility. Is a big-play threat when on the run and can change the game in one play. Has a good arm and has consistently improved as a passer. Can make the necessary throws with zip.


Runningback::

1. LenDale White-

:starspin 1st Round
LENDALE WHITE MEASURABLES Height: 6-0

Weight: 244 40-yard dash: 4.60

White can be an every-down back in a run-dominated, physical offense. If not for the presence of Reggie Bush at Southern California, White might have been college football's No. 1 running back in '05. White is a big, physical north-south runner. He is not overly elusive but has great footwork and enough wiggle the turn short runs into big gains. He never fumbles, either. He has a great nose for the goal line and will push the pile or find a crease and burst through. He never might become a good enough receiver to stay on the field on passing downs, but his physical running on first and second down will limit those third-and-long situations. White should be a mid-Round 1 pick if he runs well in pre-draft workouts. Depending on team needs and a team's preference for a big back, White could surprise and be the second running back selected.



2. Laurence Maroney-

:starspin 1st Round
LAURENCE MARONEY MEASURABLES Height: 6-0

Weight: 215 40-yard dash: 4.47 10-yard dash: 20-yard shuttle: 60-yard shuttle: Broad jump: 10-3 225-lb. bench: 21 3-cone drill: Vertical jump: 35

Wonderlic: 30 20-yard dash:

Chain-moving back is good at everything. Shows the vision to find creases. Has good one-cut ability. Is a creative runner. Has made plenty of big plays. Can elude in the open field. Has good size and can break tackles. Early-eligible junior ran for 1,000 yards in each of his three seasons against tough Big Ten competition. Runs with strength, but he is not a power back. Doesn't move piles very effectively. Needs work in the passing game, both in pass protection and route running.

3. Jerious Norwood-
:starspin 5th or 6th Round
JERIOUS NORWOOD MEASURABLES Height: 5-11

Weight: 206 40-yard dash: 4.33 10-yard dash: 1.47 20-yard shuttle: 4.25 60-yard shuttle: 11.52 Broad jump: 10-2 225-lb. bench: 18 3-cone drill: 6.81 Vertical jump: 36

Wonderlic: 13 20-yard dash: 2.51

Is a speed back who plays bigger and more physical than his size would indicate. Hits the hole quickly and explodes through it. Makes defenders miss on the second level. Gets to the edge and is a home-run threat. Runs low, hard and will break tackles. Plays with energy. Is not afraid to lower shoulder and deliver a blow. Fights for yardage after contact. As a receiver, shows good hands and makes tough catches on the run. Has great character and work ethic on and off the field.

4. Mike Bell-
:starspin Late Round

MIKE BELL MEASURABLES Height: 6-0

Weight: 221 40-yard dash: 4.60 10-yard dash: 1.55 20-yard shuttle: 4.21 60-yard shuttle: 11.48 Broad jump: 9-4 225-lb. bench: 19 3-cone drill: 7.16 Vertical jump: 31

Wonderlic: 30 20-yard dash: 2.66

Has the size of a feature back and the frame to get bigger. Is quick to the hole and can reach the corner. Is a slasher who sees the field well, shows patience, waits for openings and accelerates. Is durable and tough. Is a strong blocker. Is a good receiver. Finds soft spots in zone coverage, and shows good hands. Shows concentration to make tough catches on the run. Works hard.

5. Quinton Ganther-
:starspin Late Round
QUINTON GANTHER MEASURABLES Height: 5-9

Weight: 218 40-yard dash: 4.50 10-yard dash: 1.56 20-yard shuttle: 4.32 60-yard shuttle: Broad jump: 9-11 225-lb. bench: 29 3-cone drill: 7.19 Vertical jump: 35 Wonderlic: 15 20-yard dash: 2.62

Has size, speed and strength. Shows wiggle to make tacklers miss in the open field, and also will drop shoulder and run over defenders. Shows a good burst. Is a productive inside runner -- doesn't hesitate, and has the strength to push the pile in short-yardage situations. As a receiver, shows reliable hands and the ability to run after the catch.

 

[conner01]

i thought you where talking about qb's, then i see mcneal and some guy named vick. neither of which will be nfl qb's

 

[RealCowboyfan]

i thought you where talking about qb's, then i see mcneal and some guy named vick. neither of which will be nfl qb's

This is what I don't understand... What makes you think Vick and McNeal not Quarterbacks?
Because everybody else say so?

Maybe because their sizes?

Doug Flutie played quarterback and he did it well...
Michael Vick play quarterback and he's doing it well...
Anthony Wright play quarterback and he does an adaquete job...

They did play Quarterback in college... and honestly I thought that Matt Jones made a mistake switching to Wide Receiver... Matt Jones could have been a Ben Rothlisberger...

 

[ghst187]

a runningback that could help carry the load or maybe just take over, and a Quarterback that the Cowboys could either mold as a backup or maybe even a starter...

These players im listing could be in the range for the Dallas Cowboys.

Quarterback::
1. Omar Jacobs-
2. Charlie Whitehurst::
3. Brodie Croyle
4. Reggie McNeal
5. Marcus Vick-


1) Omar Jacobs = Akili Smith or Andre Ware
2) potential, could end up like a Chris Simms...or not
3) alabama's offense has been pretty dynamic hasn't it? no
4) will never be better than a #3 QB, should switch to WR
5) more likely to be in jail than an NFL QB
6) go back to playing video games

 

[RealCowboyfan]

a runningback that could help carry the load or maybe just take over, and a Quarterback that the Cowboys could either mold as a backup or maybe even a starter...

These players im listing could be in the range for the Dallas Cowboys.

Quarterback::
1. Omar Jacobs-
2. Charlie Whitehurst::
3. Brodie Croyle
4. Reggie McNeal
5. Marcus Vick-


1) Omar Jacobs = Akili Smith or Andre Ware
2) potential, could end up like a Chris Simms...or not
3) alabama's offense has been pretty dynamic hasn't it? no
4) will never be better than a #3 QB, should switch to WR
5) more likely to be in jail than an NFL QB
6) go back to playing video games

you are intitled to your opinion...which that's exactly what you are stating right now...
OPINION.... if everybody thinks that McNeal and Vick are not Quarterbacks back it up with facts not off of what you heard from ESPN or from somebody off of the internet that label's them or somebody that never played the game.

 

[silverbear]

you are intitled to your opinion...which that's exactly what you are stating right now...
OPINION.... if everybody thinks that McNeal and Vick are not Quarterbacks back it up with facts not off of what you heard from ESPN or from somebody off of the internet that label's them or somebody that never played the game.

First, offer some facts to support YOUR contention... here's a couple from me to dispute it:

Marcus Vick ranked 23rd among NCAA quarterbacks in passing efficiency...

Reggie McNeal ranked 56th... Marques Hagans ranked higher than he did...

McNeal ranked 74th among NCAA quarterbacks in passing yards... Vick ranked 50th... Hagans ranked higher than both in this category, Michael Robinson and Brad Smith ranked ahead of McNeal as well...

So how come Vick and McNeal are on your list, but Smith and Robinson aren't??

And given that no rational argument can be advanced that either Vick or McNeal were even among the 20 best quarterbacks in the NCAA last year, kindly explain how you're so certain they'll be successful NFL quarterbacks...

There have been any number of successful college QBs who had to switch positions in the NFL-- Hines Ward and Antwan Randle El come to mind... pro scouts have gotten pretty good at projecting which draft-eligible QBs have the game to play at their natural position, and which don't...

 

[RealCowboyfan]

First, offer some facts to support YOUR contention... here's a couple from me to dispute it:

Marcus Vick ranked 23rd among NCAA quarterbacks in passing efficiency...

Reggie McNeal ranked 56th... Marques Hagans ranked higher than he did...

McNeal ranked 74th among NCAA quarterbacks in passing yards... Vick ranked 50th... Hagans ranked higher than both in this category, Michael Robinson and Brad Smith ranked ahead of McNeal as well...

So how come Vick and McNeal are on your list, but Smith and Robinson aren't??

And given that no rational argument can be advanced that either Vick or McNeal were even among the 20 best quarterbacks in the NCAA last year, kindly explain how you're so certain they'll be successful NFL quarterbacks...

There have been any number of successful college QBs who had to switch positions in the NFL-- Hines Ward and Antwan Randle El come to mind... pro scouts have gotten pretty good at projecting which draft-eligible QBs have the game to play at their natural position, and which don't...

I have a question for you: Did Marcus Vick and Reggie McNeal play Quarterback in College?

 

[jksmith269]

a runningback that could help carry the load or maybe just take over, and a Quarterback that the Cowboys could either mold as a backup or maybe even a starter...

These players im listing could be in the range for the Dallas Cowboys.

Quarterback::
1. Omar Jacobs-
2. Charlie Whitehurst::
3. Brodie Croyle
4. Reggie McNeal
5. Marcus Vick-


1) Omar Jacobs = Akili Smith or Andre Ware
2) potential, could end up like a Chris Simms...or not
3) alabama's offense has been pretty dynamic hasn't it? no
4) will never be better than a #3 QB, should switch to WR
5) more likely to be in jail than an NFL QB
6) go back to playing video games

Your right Bama hasn't had a light em up Offense but it's one of the more traditional NFL offenses in College today and look at the talent on the team just aobut all of it on the D side of the ball and yet Brodie still had good seasons. I'd say if not for his knees he'd be talked about as the best Qb in the draft he has great touch, leadership ability, ran a NFL style O, and the second strongest arm in this draft. He has everything you could want except BIG Numbers but he is a Qb that wins and is respected by his peers. I'd take him over Young, Cutler or any other QB this year except maybe Matt.

And no way he lasts till the third round he won't make it out of round 2

 

[ghst187]

you are intitled to your opinion...which that's exactly what you are stating right now...
OPINION.... if everybody thinks that McNeal and Vick are not Quarterbacks back it up with facts not off of what you heard from ESPN or from somebody off of the internet that label's them or somebody that never played the game.

well, i don't need stats because I saw all of those guys play a ton of games. I was summarizing my thoughts for you but I'll go into more detail since you asked. These are purely my observations on the players:

1) Omar Jacobs does, no kidding, remind me of Andre Ware in his style and that he put up gawdy numbers against crappy teams in a system designed for QB success. I saw Jacobs play a decent team, I think it was Boise St, and he seriously looked like the worst player on the field. Looked totally confused and was throwing balls mostly to the DBs. Saw some other games of his but it was always against crummy teams and the Boise St (I think it was Boise St) game stands out to me. Listened to all of his hype, don't see him being the caliber of QB that will succeed in the pros. Reminds me of Andre Ware.

2) Charlie Whitehurst, saw plenty of this guy and at times he was disappointing but a number of games he single-handedly elevated his team against great competition...the Fl St game stands out. He was inconsistent but showed some flashes, has a big league arm, and seems to be a good leader. He could turn into something, either a quality backup, or maybe even follow a path to starting like Chris Simms. I like him the most of all non-1st round QBs. Reminds me of Chris Simms.

3) Brodie Croyle, saw a ton of Alabama games, watched Croyle start there for the last 8 or 9 years. Never impressed me once. The only thing he ever did was to manage a game and not make the big turnover. Never saw him make any real big plays, never remember anything special about him at all. Now granted, I understand that the Alabama gameplan was just that, win with defense, make sure the offense doesn't lose the game. So I won't say that Croyle isn't any good but I'll say that he was probably never "unleashed". Maybe that was because he didn't have it in him, or maybe it was just the gameplan all along. However, nothing that I ever saw from him led me to believe he'd be anything more than a #3 or possibly #2.
Reminds me of Chris Weinke.

4) Reggie McNeal, saw a TON of this guy. 77-0 will mean something to you if you're an OU or A&M fan. That was the year after Reggie McNeal singlehandedly upset my Sooners so we owed them some revenge. Can't think of a more inconsistent QB. He has a good game about once every four. That was the formula I came up with for him. This past year though he was even challenging that. In fact, in the UT game McNeal wasn't even the best QB on his own team.
Sure McNeal can scramble and sure he has a strong arm, but he doesn't do anything well. He doesn't throw accurately, he doesn't appropriately choose the times he runs vs passes. He makes a lot of bad decisions. I really can't see him ever becoming a #2 QB. If he ever did, that would certainly be his ceiling. Reminds me of Quincy Carter with better wheels.

5) Marcus Vick, I actually thought he was a much better passer than his brother. He seemed to stay in the pocket more and go to right place with the ball more than his brother. He was never elite in his QB play but he was pretty good and better than I thought he would be. Of course...he obviously can't control himself and stay out of trouble. He might have been considered a decent prospect and I would've ranked him above Croyle, Jacobs, and McNeal but he has a rotten attitude and is a flat out punk. He got in trouble plenty of times and then got another chance. You really have to screw up to get kicked off a team, esp with Beamer, so obviously he really messed up. He got a second chance, came back played well....then I remember him stomping on Dumervil's leg purposefully, then he tried to lie and say it was an accident. Then he gets in serious trouble again. If a QB can't even manage his own business, how will he be able to handle a team? Reminds me of a punk and liability, Quincy Carter?

6) Brad Smith, ok I like this guy. I don't even think he himself holds illusions of playing QB in the NFL but I really liked this kid. He's a great athlete with great size and fluid runner. I loved the way he cut and just glided to pull away from defenders. I think he might be able to make the transition to WR, however he's a long strider. Reminds me some of Crayton but mostly of Ronald Curry right now.

 

[jksmith269]

well, i don't need stats because I saw all of those guys play a ton of games. I was summarizing my thoughts for you but I'll go into more detail since you asked. These are purely my observations on the players:

1) Omar Jacobs does, no kidding, remind me of Andre Ware in his style and that he put up gawdy numbers against crappy teams in a system designed for QB success. I saw Jacobs play a decent team, I think it was Boise St, and he seriously looked like the worst player on the field. Looked totally confused and was throwing balls mostly to the DBs. Saw some other games of his but it was always against crummy teams and the Boise St (I think it was Boise St) game stands out to me. Listened to all of his hype, don't see him being the caliber of QB that will succeed in the pros. Reminds me of Andre Ware.

2) Charlie Whitehurst, saw plenty of this guy and at times he was disappointing but a number of games he single-handedly elevated his team against great competition...the Fl St game stands out. He was inconsistent but showed some flashes, has a big league arm, and seems to be a good leader. He could turn into something, either a quality backup, or maybe even follow a path to starting like Chris Simms. I like him the most of all non-1st round QBs. Reminds me of Chris Simms.

3) Brodie Croyle, saw a ton of Alabama games, watched Croyle start there for the last 8 or 9 years. Never impressed me once. The only thing he ever did was to manage a game and not make the big turnover. Never saw him make any real big plays, never remember anything special about him at all. Now granted, I understand that the Alabama gameplan was just that, win with defense, make sure the offense doesn't lose the game. So I won't say that Croyle isn't any good but I'll say that he was probably never "unleashed". Maybe that was because he didn't have it in him, or maybe it was just the gameplan all along. However, nothing that I ever saw from him led me to believe he'd be anything more than a #3 or possibly #2.
Reminds me of Chris Weinke.
4) Reggie McNeal, saw a TON of this guy. 77-0 will mean something to you if you're an OU or A&M fan. That was the year after Reggie McNeal singlehandedly upset my Sooners so we owed them some revenge. Can't think of a more inconsistent QB. He has a good game about once every four. That was the formula I came up with for him. This past year though he was even challenging that. In fact, in the UT game McNeal wasn't even the best QB on his own team.
Sure McNeal can scramble and sure he has a strong arm, but he doesn't do anything well. He doesn't throw accurately, he doesn't appropriately choose the times he runs vs passes. He makes a lot of bad decisions. I really can't see him ever becoming a #2 QB. If he ever did, that would certainly be his ceiling. Reminds me of Quincy Carter with better wheels.

5) Marcus Vick, I actually thought he was a much better passer than his brother. He seemed to stay in the pocket more and go to right place with the ball more than his brother. He was never elite in his QB play but he was pretty good and better than I thought he would be. Of course...he obviously can't control himself and stay out of trouble. He might have been considered a decent prospect and I would've ranked him above Croyle, Jacobs, and McNeal but he has a rotten attitude and is a flat out punk. He got in trouble plenty of times and then got another chance. You really have to screw up to get kicked off a team, esp with Beamer, so obviously he really messed up. He got a second chance, came back played well....then I remember him stomping on Dumervil's leg purposefully, then he tried to lie and say it was an accident. Then he gets in serious trouble again. If a QB can't even manage his own business, how will he be able to handle a team? Reminds me of a punk and liability, Quincy Carter?

6) Brad Smith, ok I like this guy. I don't even think he himself holds illusions of playing QB in the NFL but I really liked this kid. He's a great athlete with great size and fluid runner. I loved the way he cut and just glided to pull away from defenders. I think he might be able to make the transition to WR, however he's a long strider. Reminds me some of Crayton but mostly of Ronald Curry right now.

8 or 9 years maybe thats why you think he reminds you of Weinke LOL When Prothro (SP) was healthy this past year Croyle actually had some impressive games passing but when he was left with limited WR talent the team went back to more running but at the start of the season Bama was doing a lot of passing and where very good doing it with a nice balance of run\pass

 

[dbair1967]

What makes you think Vick and McNeal not Quarterbacks?
...

all I have to do is watch them play and I dont need to see anything else...niether one of them is going to be an NFL QB...one might get drafted as a WR (McNeal) the other probably isnt going to be drafted at all IMO

Omar Jacobs isnt a legit prospect either IMO...Brad Smith is going to have to change positions...Brodie Croyle worries me too...he is really smallish and injury prone

Charlie Whitehurst does intrigue me however

as for RB, we arnt drafting one to replace JJ or Barber...I could see someone added late or signed as a RFA to challenge for the 3rd spot with Thompson, but they arnt wasting an early pick on a RB

David

 

[dwmyers]

And given that no rational argument can be advanced that either Vick or McNeal were even among the 20 best quarterbacks in the NCAA last year, kindly explain how you're so certain they'll be successful NFL quarterbacks...

Oh man. Talk about Aggie hatred on a stick. He's quoting the War Room about McNeil and you're ignoring the quote.

Wake up sometime and realize that other people don't think Reggie McNeil is a 7th round draft choice fit only to kiss Longhorn butt..whether he's successful or not is something he will eventually decide, but your prejudice is pretty open here.

David.

 

[Displaced Cowboy]

ghst I agree with your assessment on most of these players with the exception of Jacobs.

i think he is a major steal in 3 or 4.

jacobs isn't prone to TO's. The Boise St. game he had 3 TDs and 0 INT's.

threw 11 picks over 2 seasons where he threw almost passes.

he routinely had his best games against BCS conference teams.

i know he has the unorthodox delivery which turns people off but I can live with it.

 

[cobra]

Here is a shock: RealCowboyFan apparently thinks McNeal and Vick could be pro quaterbacks.

Maybe he should stick to "Caption this" threads because no sensible person would argue that McNeal and Vick were real options at quarterback.

 

[Rack]

Here is a shock: RealCowboyFan apparently thinks McNeal and Vick could be pro quaterbacks.

Maybe he should stick to "Caption this" threads because no sensible person would argue that McNeal and Vick were real options at quarterback.

I wouldn't mind drafting McNeal late and converting him to WR though.

 

[Dalmations202]

Reggie McNeal would be a great draft pick late.

He could be a "slash" type player that plays QB, HB, WR, slot. He is, IMO, not a NFL starting QB. He is though, an offensive threat that could play situationally at several positions and provide a new threat to the offense.

He would probably get 10-20 plays a game on offense. Goal line situations, situational plays, and 5 receiver sets he could be awesome in.

 

[dwmyers]

Here is a shock: RealCowboyFan apparently thinks McNeal and Vick could be pro quaterbacks.

Maybe he should stick to "Caption this" threads because no sensible person would argue that McNeal and Vick were real options at quarterback.

In the case of McNeil, it's not a shock.

The fact is, there is a WIDE SPREAD of opinions about McNeil, from 3rd round to undraftable. At least 3 sources rate him as a first day draft choice, Ourlads rates him as the best QB past the top three.

The problem is, the naysayers don't want to address the opinion spread and go around like sheep claiming that everyone thinks McNeil is a turkey with a 4.3 40.

A mid-range opinion may be ESPN the Magazine which in their April 24 issue, compared him to Seneca Wallace and said he had two years to prove he was a quarterback. But, they also rated him as a late Day 1 pick, which is a little high on the McNeil scale.

Being ranked from 3rd to undraftable is a wide range.. then again, Scott Fifita, one of the darling boys of the Longhorn crowd, is rated by some publications as undraftable too.

It's one thing to say, "I think McNeil is undraftable", but it's yet another thing to claim the opinion is universal, because it isn't.

David.