The wildcat and new QB rules

[rkell87]

just curious, with the new qb rules(not having a secret 3rd string that's not active but can come in under certain conditions) could take the qb off the field to run the wildcat and actually have a legit WR out wide? not that i want to see a lot of wildcat from us but it could help teams that dont have a good qb and have good RBs.

 

[joseephuss]

What is a secret 3rd string? I've never heard that term before.

 

[AbeBeta]

How would a new rule change if a team could take the QB out of the game?

 

[joseephuss]

How would a new rule change if a team could take the QB out of the game?

I don't get that, either. The old rules didn't prohibit a team from taking a QB off the field to run the Wildcat.

 

[Kangaroo]

In the past once the 3rd qb came in the starter or backup could not return to the game that rule no longer applies

I hated our Wildcat because Choice would never pitch even when there was a wide open lane for the other guy

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't get that, either. The old rules didn't prohibit a team from taking a QB off the field to run the Wildcat.

there are so many things about the original post that do not make any sense

 

[AbeBeta]

In the past once the 3rd qb came in the starter or backup could not return to the game that rule no longer applies

I hated our Wildcat because Choice would never pitch even when there was a wide open lane for the other guy

Interesting ... may be one of the many reasons why the staff hates him

 

[Manster74]

I still don't get it

 

[Doomsday101]

Where the new rule comes into play is by allowing the 3rd string QB to be able to enter the game without it effecting your starting QB or backup QB. I could see this being a benefit to a team like Minn with Joe Webb as the 3rd string QB coming in and running a wildcat.

 

[rkell87]

the reason you keep the 1st string QB on the field and split him out wide is because you didnt want the running back to count as your second string QB(as i understand it).

in the past your 3rd string QB wasnt "active" and wouldnt count against your active roster on game day but could come in at anytime during the game but 1st and 2nd string could never go back in the game. they have done away with that in the new CBA and now you have 46 active for game day and you would just carry your 3rd string QB as an active player that can come in and out of the game as you choose.

 

[rkell87]

Where the new rule comes into play is by allowing the 3rd string QB to be able to enter the game without it effecting your starting QB or backup QB. I could see this being a benefit to a team like Minn with Joe Webb as the 3rd string QB coming in and running a wildcat.

that is actually what sparked the question i have been rewatching the game and seeing what he can do and was wondering if a QB even has to be on the field now

 

[AbeBeta]

the reason you keep the 1st string QB on the field and split him out wide is because you didnt want the running back to count as your second string QB(as i understand it).

in the past your 3rd string QB wasnt "active" and wouldnt count against your active roster on game day but could come in at anytime during the game but 1st and 2nd string could never go back in the game. they have done away with that in the new CBA and now you have 46 active for game day and you would just carry your 3rd string QB as an active player that can come in and out of the game as you choose.

You can line up anyone you want under center. The old rules simply did not allow you to use your 3rd QB in that role until the 4th quarter.

 

[joseephuss]

the reason you keep the 1st string QB on the field and split him out wide is because you didnt want the running back to count as your second string QB(as i understand it).

Nope, that is not correct. You kept the QB on the field so the defense would not anticipate the offense running the Wildcat. If the defense saw the QB leave the field and another wide receiver(or an position player) come on then they would know the offense would line up in the Wildcat. It was the surprise element that the offense was going for and not at all about the rules then or now.

And now the NFL has a 46 man gameday active roster instead of the 45. That does not mean the 46th spot goes automatically to the 3rd string QB. It can go to any position player. Some teams will only carry 2 QBs and use that extra spot for a much needed back up player.

 

[Doomsday101]

Nope, that is not correct. You kept the QB on the field so the defense would not anticipate the offense running the Wildcat. If the defense saw the QB leave the field and another wide receiver(or an position player) come on then they would know the offense would line up in the Wildcat. It was the surprise element that the offense was going for and not at all about the rules then or now.

And now the NFL has a 46 man gameday active roster instead of the 45. That does not mean the 46th spot goes automatically to the 3rd string QB. It can go to any position player. Some teams will only carry 2 QBs and use that extra spot for a much needed back up player.

True but the rule was implimented do to the Bears game

That rule came up most prominently last season when the Bears bungled the backup quarterback situation in the NFC Championship Game. After starter Jay Cutler went down and backup Todd Collins struggled, Bears coach Lovie Smith inserted No. 3 quarterback Caleb Hanie into the game just in time for him to hand off twice in the third quarter. Smith’s decision to put Hanie in the game in the third quarter instead of waiting for the fourth meant that if Hanie had suffered an injury, the Bears would have been without a quarterback for the rest of the game.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...arterback-rule-46-active-players-on-game-day/

 

[rkell87]

Nope, that is not correct. You kept the QB on the field so the defense would not anticipate the offense running the Wildcat. If the defense saw the QB leave the field and another wide receiver(or an position player) come on then they would know the offense would line up in the Wildcat. It was the surprise element that the offense was going for and not at all about the rules then or now.

And now the NFL has a 46 man gameday active roster instead of the 45. That does not mean the 46th spot goes automatically to the 3rd string QB. It can go to any position player. Some teams will only carry 2 QBs and use that extra spot for a much needed back up player.

are you sure? it was my understanding that if the 1st string QB came off the field that the RB taking the snap would count as your second string QB and if your 1st string QB got hurt and you brought in your 2nd string QB he would actually be your 3rd string

 

[joseephuss]

are you sure? it was my understanding that if the 1st string QB came off the field that the RB taking the snap would count as your second string QB and if your 1st string QB got hurt and you brought in your 2nd string QB he would actually be your 3rd string

That still doesn't matter. The only thing that mattered was if the player designated as the emergency QB entered the game. We are so used to seeing the emergency QB as being the 3rd QB, but in reality he could have been the 4th or 5th QB on a game day roster. He still would have been the 46th guy on the roster and been designated as the emergency QB.

 

[rkell87]

That still doesn't matter. The only thing that mattered was if the player designated as the emergency QB entered the game. We are so used to seeing the emergency QB as being the 3rd QB, but in reality he could have been the 4th or 5th QB on a game day roster. He still would have been the 46th guy on the roster and been designated as the emergency QB.

ah i see...dumb thread then lol: