The Worse kind of Head Coach

[john van brocklin]

In my opinion you have 3 general catagories of NFL Head Coaches :

1. The Coach that is completely over his head.
It becomes very obvious, and these guys don't usually last longer than a year or 2.
These guys usually don't set the franchise back too many years because they get the boot real quick.
Example: Rich Kotite.

2. A Very good Coach, these guys keep you in the hunt year after year,
and you are a threat to go to the playoffs annually.
Belechick, Reid, ect.

3, Now the worse kind of coach in my opinion:
The one who wins just enough to keep hanging on year after year.
They give you a very good season here and there.
You think, hey this guy is building something, lets give him more time.
But before you know it he's been around 8 to 10 years with just the occasional playoff appearance
and maybe a few wins in the playoffs, but not a consistant winner.

These dudes burn years off a NFL franchise with nothing to really show for it.

Marvin Lewis and Jason Garrett come to mind as recent examples.

 

[Ranching]

A Head Coach with any pride would know when it's time to move on.

 

[john van brocklin]

A Head Coach with any pride would know when it's time to move on.

True, but the money and the fact there are only 32 NFL HC positions keeps a lot of them hanging on until they get the ax.

 

[Ranching]

True, but the money and the fact there are only 32 NFL HC positions keeps a lot of them hanging on until they get the ax.

Yep. I always told myself that I would never coach for the money, I ended up leaving a top ten team in the state for a 30k pay raise. Even though things worked out well, I still think about what might have been.

 

[CouchCoach]

In my opinion you have 3 general catagories of NFL Head Coaches :

1. The Coach that is completely over his head.
It becomes very obvious, and these guys don't usually last longer than a year or 2.
These guys usually don't set the franchise back too many years because they get the boot real quick.
Example: Rich Kotite.

2. A Very good Coach, these guys keep you in the hunt year after year,
and you are a threat to go to the playoffs annually.
Belechick, Reid, ect.

3, Now the worse kind of coach in my opinion:
The one who wins just enough to keep hanging on year after year.
They give you a very good season here and there.
You think, hey this guy is building something, lets give him more time.
But before you know it he's been around 8 to 10 years with just the occasional playoff appearance
and maybe a few wins in the playoffs, but not a consistant winner.

These dudes burn years off a NFL franchise with nothing to really show for it.

Marvin Lewis and Jason Garrett come to mind as recent examples.

Lurie thought Reid was a 3.

If a trainer thinks he has the horse to beat and he loses, the jockey is the first place he looks.

Garrett made one comment that I agree to, actually it was an excuse but true the same, "it's hard to win in the NFL". A lot of things have to go right, injuries, ref calls and just plain luck. The last thing any HC needs is not putting his team in their best position to win and that to me is Garrett. He is too talent dependent and when the talent stumbles, he's not the guy.

That game in Atlanta was my definitive Garrett game. That was also the last game I recall getting emotional about. I was up yelling at the TV. Hell, after the first sack, Aikman was calling for help for Green because it was evident, he was not ready. Not only was Garrett not prepared for the likelihood that the backup LT would struggle, he took a half before he responded with any help and allowed a player, HIS player, to be publicly embarrassed. If coaching is putting your players in their best possible position to be successful, that was the antithesis of coaching. He just stood there and watched his guy getting humiliated.

I also lost respect for that team that day. If that player is my teammate, I am getting in someone's face about what's being done to him and my team. They only have the balls to talk about it anonymously or after the fact. Ya know, sometimes players get the coaches they deserve.

 

[CouchCoach]

True, but the money and the fact there are only 32 NFL HC positions keeps a lot of them hanging on until they get the ax.

Would we be any different? Hell, pay me 6M and y'all can "CC sucks" at me all day and night.

Sometimes we don't consider jobs as jobs, like coaching or acting. I've often thought 'why did he/she take that role? It was awful" and then realize it's a job like any other, just out in the open.

I think most of these coaches approach it with a "temporary" frame of mind and it's only gotten worse with 20-25% turnover every year but that's 6-9 opportunities as well. Just look at Norv Turner's career. In 35 years in the NFL he has been a position coach 1 time, a coordinator with 7 teams and a HC with 3 teams. 11 jobs in 35 years and if he wants another after CAR, he'll get it. Turner is only 5 teams away for every game being a homecoming game to him. And the man walked out on a team in mid season and got another job a year later. Now how much has he made in those 35 years? A hell of a lot more than he would have working at GM.

Booger wanted to go into coaching but the money wasn't there in 1965. Back then, a HS coach had to teach gym or history to justify a salary, unless he had some skins on the wall.

 

[john van brocklin]

Lurie thought Reid was a 3.

If a trainer thinks he has the horse to beat and he loses, the jockey is the first place he looks.

Garrett made one comment that I agree to, actually it was an excuse but true the same, "it's hard to win in the NFL". A lot of things have to go right, injuries, ref calls and just plain luck. The last thing any HC needs is not putting his team in their best position to win and that to me is Garrett. He is too talent dependent and when the talent stumbles, he's not the guy.

That game in Atlanta was my definitive Garrett game. That was also the last game I recall getting emotional about. I was up yelling at the TV. Hell, after the first sack, Aikman was calling for help for Green because it was evident, he was not ready. Not only was Garrett not prepared for the likelihood that the backup LT would struggle, he took a half before he responded with any help and allowed a player, HIS player, to be publicly embarrassed. If coaching is putting your players in their best possible position to be successful, that was the antithesis of coaching. He just stood there and watched his guy getting humiliated.

I also lost respect for that team that day. If that player is my teammate, I am getting in someone's face about what's being done to him and my team. They only have the balls to talk about it anonymously or after the fact. Ya know, sometimes players get the coaches they deserve.

I agree completely, that was a major fail !!!

 

[Tass]

Worst.

Not worse kind of head coach. 'Worse' means you are not as good as other guys, but are better than some other guys.

'Worst' means that EVERYONE is better than you.

 

[ShiningStar]

I dont see bad coaches, i see bad owners who allow it to continue.

JJ has proven a lot longer that hes an owner about the money. the fans wont accept it.

JJ, bad owner, great product and he knows it. the fan base loves it to much to leave.

 

[john van brocklin]

Would we be any different? Hell, pay me 6M and y'all can "CC sucks" at me all day and night.

Sometimes we don't consider jobs as jobs, like coaching or acting. I've often thought 'why did he/she take that role? It was awful" and then realize it's a job like any other, just out in the open.

I think most of these coaches approach it with a "temporary" frame of mind and it's only gotten worse with 20-25% turnover every year but that's 6-9 opportunities as well. Just look at Norv Turner's career. In 35 years in the NFL he has been a position coach 1 time, a coordinator with 7 teams and a HC with 3 teams. 11 jobs in 35 years and if he wants another after CAR, he'll get it. Turner is only 5 teams away for every game being a homecoming game to him. And the man walked out on a team in mid season and got another job a year later. Now how much has he made in those 35 years? A hell of a lot more than he would have working at GM.

Booger wanted to go into coaching but the money wasn't there in 1965. Back then, a HS coach had to teach gym or history to justify a salary, unless he had some skins on the wall.

Yep, it is a job bottom line.
Can't fault these guys for taking the money when they can.
Most of the HC had to work their way up through low paying jobs to get there.

 

[john van brocklin]

Worst.

Not worse kind of head coach. 'Worse' means you are not as good as other guys, but are better than some other guys.

'Worst' means that EVERYONE is better than you.

Thanks for the correction sir, I mean worse for the good of the team. long term.

 

[john van brocklin]

I dont see bad coaches, i see bad owners who allow it to continue.

JJ has proven a lot longer that hes an owner about the money. the fans wont accept it.

JJ, bad owner, great product and he knows it. the fan base loves it to much to leave.

So true !

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

It's a process.

 

[birdwells1]

In my opinion you have 3 general catagories of NFL Head Coaches :

1. The Coach that is completely over his head.
It becomes very obvious, and these guys don't usually last longer than a year or 2.
These guys usually don't set the franchise back too many years because they get the boot real quick.
Example: Rich Kotite.

2. A Very good Coach, these guys keep you in the hunt year after year,
and you are a threat to go to the playoffs annually.
Belechick, Reid, ect.

3, Now the worse kind of coach in my opinion:
The one who wins just enough to keep hanging on year after year.
They give you a very good season here and there.
You think, hey this guy is building something, lets give him more time.
But before you know it he's been around 8 to 10 years with just the occasional playoff appearance
and maybe a few wins in the playoffs, but not a consistant winner.

These dudes burn years off a NFL franchise with nothing to really show for it.

Marvin Lewis and Jason Garrett come to mind as recent examples.

JG is the best coach I've ever seen at getting off the hot seat, every time it got hot he'd go on some winning streak to save his job.

In 2012 he started off 3-5 there were rumblings that Sean Payton wanted to coach the Cowboys, Payton had an out in his contract and his kids lived in Dallas. JG finished 5-3 with an ot win over Pitts and an ot loss to the Saints and kept his job.

Romo getting injured saved him one year.

 

[john van brocklin]

It's a process.

stacking one good day on top of another LLOOLL

 

[john van brocklin]

JG is the best coach I've ever seen at getting off the hot seat, every time it got hot he'd go on some winning streak to save his job.

In 2012 he started off 3-5 there were rumblings that Sean Payton wanted to coach the Cowboys, Payton had an out in his contract and his kids lived in Dallas. JG finished 5-3 with an ot win over Pitts and an ot loss to the Saints and kept his job.

Romo getting injured saved him one year.

Garretts got more lives than a cat !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cowboy_ron]

In my opinion you have 3 general catagories of NFL Head Coaches :

1. The Coach that is completely over his head.
It becomes very obvious, and these guys don't usually last longer than a year or 2.
These guys usually don't set the franchise back too many years because they get the boot real quick.
Example: Rich Kotite.

2. A Very good Coach, these guys keep you in the hunt year after year,
and you are a threat to go to the playoffs annually.
Belechick, Reid, ect.

3, Now the worse kind of coach in my opinion:
The one who wins just enough to keep hanging on year after year.
They give you a very good season here and there.
You think, hey this guy is building something, lets give him more time.
But before you know it he's been around 8 to 10 years with just the occasional playoff appearance
and maybe a few wins in the playoffs, but not a consistant winner.

These dudes burn years off a NFL franchise with nothing to really show for it.

Marvin Lewis and Jason Garrett come to mind as recent examples.

Garrett falls in the over his head category as well.............Garrett has not improved since the day he took over..

 

[CF74]

Yep. I always told myself that I would never coach for the money, I ended up leaving a top ten team in the state for a 30k pay raise. Even though things worked out well, I still think about what might have been.

That explains how u can afford to eat at Whataburger all the time...

 

[Praxit]

In my opinion you have 3 general catagories of NFL Head Coaches :

1. The Coach that is completely over his head.
It becomes very obvious, and these guys don't usually last longer than a year or 2.
These guys usually don't set the franchise back too many years because they get the boot real quick.
Example: Rich Kotite.

2. A Very good Coach, these guys keep you in the hunt year after year,
and you are a threat to go to the playoffs annually.
Belechick, Reid, ect.

3, Now the worse kind of coach in my opinion:
The one who wins just enough to keep hanging on year after year.
They give you a very good season here and there.
You think, hey this guy is building something, lets give him more time.
But before you know it he's been around 8 to 10 years with just the occasional playoff appearance
and maybe a few wins in the playoffs, but not a consistant winner.

These dudes burn years off a NFL franchise with nothing to really show for it.

Marvin Lewis and Jason Garrett come to mind as recent examples.

...the worse HC is another JG. I can almost sense the Jones-es are looking for another. They don't want someone coming in here making noise.

 

[Ranching]

That explains how u can afford to eat at Whataburger all the time...

Number 2 with cheese, toasted bun and mayo with onion rings.