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Phrozen Phil said:
Me too... the guy runs really good routes, has good hands, and as noted, is a dynamic kick returner...
The Wulf Den - 2005 Draft Special Edition
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Me too... the guy runs really good routes, has good hands, and as noted, is a dynamic kick returner...
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silverbear said:
I agree with you on Poole. Good thing I am not in the war room - I have a feeling I would try to reach on him, though I know it would not be a good value. But I still think FS is a top need for this team...
Anyhow - good post.
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Thanks for the effort. Must have taken a few days to do this.
The trades seem good value ones.
But dumping slots those many times from the Boys.
But you may see it.
I think they will hold fast onto 11 to see who shows up there.
The trades seem good value ones.
But dumping slots those many times from the Boys.
But you may see it.
I think they will hold fast onto 11 to see who shows up there.
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Damn good stuff. Very impressive. Unbelievable depth of knowledge - it's obvoious you've done a TON of research here. This is an incredibly thoughtful and insightful analysis. Can't tell you how much your effort is appreciated.
After a first day projection that includes Howard, Pollack, Pool, Murphy and Willis, anything that happens this Saturday has to be a let down.
The 'Boys go from three day one picks to four plus Howard (and could have been five w/o the Oakland trade). I can't tell you how much I absolutely love this mock. I'm generally against trading down for the sake of accumulating more lower value picks rather than taking the best possible impact player available, but I can't complain about the value of any of your proposed trades. I would pull the trigger on every one.
If I were to pick a nit, I'm not sure I'd do the Oakland trade at #90 with Ryan Moats still on the board (depending on who you project the 'Boys taking at #105). But even with that trade I'm reluctant to complain about sliding down 15 spots and netting another fourth and sixth.
All things considered, this is probably the best mock I've ever seen. Who needs late round picks with a day one haul like that?!
After a first day projection that includes Howard, Pollack, Pool, Murphy and Willis, anything that happens this Saturday has to be a let down.
The 'Boys go from three day one picks to four plus Howard (and could have been five w/o the Oakland trade). I can't tell you how much I absolutely love this mock. I'm generally against trading down for the sake of accumulating more lower value picks rather than taking the best possible impact player available, but I can't complain about the value of any of your proposed trades. I would pull the trigger on every one.
If I were to pick a nit, I'm not sure I'd do the Oakland trade at #90 with Ryan Moats still on the board (depending on who you project the 'Boys taking at #105). But even with that trade I'm reluctant to complain about sliding down 15 spots and netting another fourth and sixth.
All things considered, this is probably the best mock I've ever seen. Who needs late round picks with a day one haul like that?!
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Interesting choices Wulf. You couldn't have known Washington would trade all their picks for two first rounders. (What the heck was that all about?) With their first pick I would bet it will be a CB or WR instead of a LB. Although I would have loved to have seen Dallas do this instead, so what else is new. If I say it in enough Drafts maybe some year it will come true. Of the choices you have listed I like the FS Pool. Other than that you have some serviceable players. Not much sizzle in this draft. I guess my best hope was Merriman with our first pick. Sean is faster or should I say quicker than he showed and is a great game player. IMO of course. Looking forward to your second day picks tomorrow. (%
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Cannot....will not.....talk bad.....about.....Brodney.....Pool......must....refuse....
Ah, forget it! If Brodney Pool is drafted we will all be wishing Tony Dixon or Lynn Scott back into the lineup, ASAP.
It isn't a matter of just a few games, but Pool was burned CONSTANTLY this year, alot by underclassmen (i.e., Steve Smith, Dwayne Jarrett, D'Juan Woods). This is coming in a defense which relies on ZONE coverage by Bo Pelini.
Honestly, IMO, Pool is one of the biggest busts waiting to happen in this draft.
Ah, forget it! If Brodney Pool is drafted we will all be wishing Tony Dixon or Lynn Scott back into the lineup, ASAP.
It isn't a matter of just a few games, but Pool was burned CONSTANTLY this year, alot by underclassmen (i.e., Steve Smith, Dwayne Jarrett, D'Juan Woods). This is coming in a defense which relies on ZONE coverage by Bo Pelini.
Honestly, IMO, Pool is one of the biggest busts waiting to happen in this draft.
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Ha Ha yeah what he said. Hey fishspill check it out.BigWillie said:
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did the wulfman post the second part of this somewhere else?
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Unfortunately to all of those interested, my revised mock (reflecting the Washington-Denver, Oakland-Houston, and Miami-Kansas City trades) including the picks for the second day of the draft will NOT be posted. My server crashed, and it has put me out of service for the time being. This will be the first time in several years that I do not have a posted 7-round mock draft, and I have to tell you that I'm not a happy camper.
In the spirit of giving you a little something to chew over, however, I will share with you a few thoughts about the revised mock I had intended to present--specifically in regards to the Cowboys and their remaining picks in the second day.
First, let's address the trades. Little Napolean had actually begun to show some signs of sanity in regards to personnel matters, so we should have been waiting for the other shoe to drop in Washington. Trading their 3rd rounder this year and their first and fourth next year to move up to the end of the first round--especially when they are already without their second rounder this year--is insane. And, if they were going to contemplate it, they should have waited until draft day to ensure their player was still on the board. As for Denver, they wanted to move down to acquire additional picks, and essentially pulled off a similar trade as the Cowboys did last year. They'll likely be in a very good position this time next year. So who is Washington targeting? The latest reports suggest CB Carlos Rogers at #9--even though many draft people have him rated as the third best CB in the draft. But he's a solid cover corner, even if this is a little early for him. This directly affects the Cowboys, as the Commanders taking Rogers would mean Shawne Merriman would likely still be on the board...and the Cowboys would rather have him than trade for Howard unless the Saints were willing to sweeten their offer--something I do not expect. So who do the Commanders want so badly with the 25th pick? Many sources say QB Jason Campbell. But targeting a specific player outside of the top 10 or so is a huge gamble, and with no other draft picks on day one, it's one that may come back to bite them.
The trade between Houston and Oakland should have two major repercussions: the Texans likely won't look for a CB now, and the Raiders will likely look for more than one...and that's assuming they don't move Charles Woodson in a trade as well. One interesting possibility is for Jerry Jones and Al Davis to use their friendship to foster a deal, sending disgruntled CB Pete Hunter to the Raiders for a day two draft pick. Whether it's the Raiders or not, I won't be surprised to see Hunter moved on draft day--especially if the Cowboys draft a free safety. Another possible trade partner is Miami, who just moved CB Patrick Surtain to Kansas City for a second round pick, and need additional depth in the defensive backfield. As for Kansas City, they won't be as upset to see the Commanders take Rogers now that they have Surtain, and I expect them to take a DE at that position instead--likely either David Pollack or Erasmus James.
As for the Cowboys, with Merriman in the fold at #11, they'll be much more likely to trade down at #20. They'll have to get at least a third round pick out of it, and if they could get a deal similar to last year's with Buffalo they may jump at it. As for who they'll take next, it will depend on who is still available when they pick. A playmaking WR--it could still be Murphy--and a FS are the key positions.
At WR, another name to watch is Hampton's Jerome Mathis, a small-school prospect that has blazing speed and a lot of return ability. The Cowboys have taken any number of players from Hampton and other smaller schools in recent years, so don't think he has slipped by their attention. Of course, the Combine-record 4.28 forty-yard dash he posted this year has drawn the attention of a lot of teams.
At FS, it is possible that Pool would still be available when they pick in the second round, and if he is I think they'll take him. If not, they'll watch for one with good value later in the draft. Possibilities include Josh Bullocks in round two, O. J. Atogwe late in round three--assuming they acquire one--and Vincent Fuller early in day two.
At OT, I think that Ray Willis is still a likely pick on day one if they move down to get multiple picks. I, too, see a lot of Erik Williams in him, and think he just needs to get the right discipline behind him to blossom into a quality starting RT.
Later in the draft, I expect another LB to be taken as well as a RB who can be a third down player as a rookie and contribute on special teams. LBs are a matter of personal preference, and we know that Parcells likes them big. But he also likes football guys with heart, and there are some of them at this position that will be available on day two. In particular, watch for Zac Woodfin from Alabama-Brimingham. He's a little undersized for a typical Parcells LB, but he has the right demeanor for Parcells, and has a little Dat Nguyen in him.
As for the RB position, there are some very productive backs available this year who will slide because of their diminuative stature. But the Cowboys are looking primarily for someone to be a change of pace back--to give Julius Jones a breather--who can contribute on third downs and special teams. They could certainly take a player like Cedric Houston, who visited with the Cowboys and who is more of a first and second down back, so don't be surprised if they do so to have someone compete with ReShard Lee. But Parcells wants his Cowboy version of Dave Meggett, and that takes a special combination of talent and attitude. Kansas State's Darren Sproles is such a player, and Ryan Moats could be one as well. But the name to watch is Virginia's Alvin Pearman. Parcells remains close friends with Virginia Head Coach Al Groh, who was on Parcells' staff on several occasions, so he'll have plenty of information on Pearman. He is a Parcells guy, pure and simple. When the team needed a wideout, he played that position and was a thousand-yard receiver. The following season, they needed a primary ball-carrier. He became a thousand-yard rusher. He is also a premiere return man, and has the kind of fire that can't be taught--only stoked. He could be a steal in the fifth round, and may be worth an earlier pick.
Aside from these need areas, the Cowboys will take the best player available or trade picks for additional picks in next year's draft. Also, don't be surprised if the Cowboys trade a late day two pick--their own or one they've acquired--for a potential special teams contributor from another team. They've done so each of the last two years, getting Aveion Cason from Detroit and Darian Barnes from the Buccaneers in 2003 and 2004, respectively.
Again, I'm sorry the full mock crashed and burned, but I think we have enough to chew on for tomorrow's festivities.
Wulf
In the spirit of giving you a little something to chew over, however, I will share with you a few thoughts about the revised mock I had intended to present--specifically in regards to the Cowboys and their remaining picks in the second day.
First, let's address the trades. Little Napolean had actually begun to show some signs of sanity in regards to personnel matters, so we should have been waiting for the other shoe to drop in Washington. Trading their 3rd rounder this year and their first and fourth next year to move up to the end of the first round--especially when they are already without their second rounder this year--is insane. And, if they were going to contemplate it, they should have waited until draft day to ensure their player was still on the board. As for Denver, they wanted to move down to acquire additional picks, and essentially pulled off a similar trade as the Cowboys did last year. They'll likely be in a very good position this time next year. So who is Washington targeting? The latest reports suggest CB Carlos Rogers at #9--even though many draft people have him rated as the third best CB in the draft. But he's a solid cover corner, even if this is a little early for him. This directly affects the Cowboys, as the Commanders taking Rogers would mean Shawne Merriman would likely still be on the board...and the Cowboys would rather have him than trade for Howard unless the Saints were willing to sweeten their offer--something I do not expect. So who do the Commanders want so badly with the 25th pick? Many sources say QB Jason Campbell. But targeting a specific player outside of the top 10 or so is a huge gamble, and with no other draft picks on day one, it's one that may come back to bite them.
The trade between Houston and Oakland should have two major repercussions: the Texans likely won't look for a CB now, and the Raiders will likely look for more than one...and that's assuming they don't move Charles Woodson in a trade as well. One interesting possibility is for Jerry Jones and Al Davis to use their friendship to foster a deal, sending disgruntled CB Pete Hunter to the Raiders for a day two draft pick. Whether it's the Raiders or not, I won't be surprised to see Hunter moved on draft day--especially if the Cowboys draft a free safety. Another possible trade partner is Miami, who just moved CB Patrick Surtain to Kansas City for a second round pick, and need additional depth in the defensive backfield. As for Kansas City, they won't be as upset to see the Commanders take Rogers now that they have Surtain, and I expect them to take a DE at that position instead--likely either David Pollack or Erasmus James.
As for the Cowboys, with Merriman in the fold at #11, they'll be much more likely to trade down at #20. They'll have to get at least a third round pick out of it, and if they could get a deal similar to last year's with Buffalo they may jump at it. As for who they'll take next, it will depend on who is still available when they pick. A playmaking WR--it could still be Murphy--and a FS are the key positions.
At WR, another name to watch is Hampton's Jerome Mathis, a small-school prospect that has blazing speed and a lot of return ability. The Cowboys have taken any number of players from Hampton and other smaller schools in recent years, so don't think he has slipped by their attention. Of course, the Combine-record 4.28 forty-yard dash he posted this year has drawn the attention of a lot of teams.
At FS, it is possible that Pool would still be available when they pick in the second round, and if he is I think they'll take him. If not, they'll watch for one with good value later in the draft. Possibilities include Josh Bullocks in round two, O. J. Atogwe late in round three--assuming they acquire one--and Vincent Fuller early in day two.
At OT, I think that Ray Willis is still a likely pick on day one if they move down to get multiple picks. I, too, see a lot of Erik Williams in him, and think he just needs to get the right discipline behind him to blossom into a quality starting RT.
Later in the draft, I expect another LB to be taken as well as a RB who can be a third down player as a rookie and contribute on special teams. LBs are a matter of personal preference, and we know that Parcells likes them big. But he also likes football guys with heart, and there are some of them at this position that will be available on day two. In particular, watch for Zac Woodfin from Alabama-Brimingham. He's a little undersized for a typical Parcells LB, but he has the right demeanor for Parcells, and has a little Dat Nguyen in him.
As for the RB position, there are some very productive backs available this year who will slide because of their diminuative stature. But the Cowboys are looking primarily for someone to be a change of pace back--to give Julius Jones a breather--who can contribute on third downs and special teams. They could certainly take a player like Cedric Houston, who visited with the Cowboys and who is more of a first and second down back, so don't be surprised if they do so to have someone compete with ReShard Lee. But Parcells wants his Cowboy version of Dave Meggett, and that takes a special combination of talent and attitude. Kansas State's Darren Sproles is such a player, and Ryan Moats could be one as well. But the name to watch is Virginia's Alvin Pearman. Parcells remains close friends with Virginia Head Coach Al Groh, who was on Parcells' staff on several occasions, so he'll have plenty of information on Pearman. He is a Parcells guy, pure and simple. When the team needed a wideout, he played that position and was a thousand-yard receiver. The following season, they needed a primary ball-carrier. He became a thousand-yard rusher. He is also a premiere return man, and has the kind of fire that can't be taught--only stoked. He could be a steal in the fifth round, and may be worth an earlier pick.
Aside from these need areas, the Cowboys will take the best player available or trade picks for additional picks in next year's draft. Also, don't be surprised if the Cowboys trade a late day two pick--their own or one they've acquired--for a potential special teams contributor from another team. They've done so each of the last two years, getting Aveion Cason from Detroit and Darian Barnes from the Buccaneers in 2003 and 2004, respectively.
Again, I'm sorry the full mock crashed and burned, but I think we have enough to chew on for tomorrow's festivities.
Wulf