The Zach Martin contract "situation" last year

[McKDaddy]

difference being if you get cut you've likely already been overpaid (relative to performance) and can still go get another job.

And you still get any guaranteed monies owed you. Why can't the team "protest" that part of the deal?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

difference being if you get cut you've likely already been overpaid (relative to performance) and can still go get another job.

That’s not always the case. Some guys get cut not strictly based on performance. Justin Simmons was a good safety last year and got cut.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Do you have an evidence that he is working every off-season on feet & hand movements? Balance drills? Anything other than the Cowboys mandated time in the gym?

He was rated what 8th best OG in football and everyone agrees it was the worst of his career but somehow first string All Pro. Nothing about that smells fishy to you? Could be that Father Tim has already been speaking but some aren't listening.

8th best OG is subjective. 8th is still one of the best in the league.

As far as all of the above like you said we don’t know what he does but you’re assuming he doesn’t do it….

 

[Plankton]

No. Looks like he was signed after his 4th year too. Does Dallas sign any first round pick after 3 years?

Ezekiel Elliott

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Ezekiel Elliott

Yeah and he had to force them they probably would’ve gave him 5 years after his rookie deal was done smh.

 

[McKDaddy]

8th best OG is subjective. 8th is still one of the best in the league.

As far as all of the above like you said we don’t know what he does but you’re assuming he doesn’t do it….

It's not hold out to be paid top 3.

Actually, my point is a lot of people assume he does those things & is this awesome leader and never question his actions or his motives because he started his career as a reallllllyyyyyy good player. First impressions man, first impressions.

 

[Proof]

That’s not always the case. Some guys get cut not strictly based on performance. Justin Simmons was a good safety last year and got cut.

yeah why i said "likely". There are exceptions, and simmons got a raw deal. he'll probably get picked up for a boatload soon though.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

yeah why i said "likely". There are exceptions, and simmons got a raw deal. he'll probably get picked up for a boatload soon though.

That's my point though. Broncos can cut Simmons for nothing he did just simply mismanaging their cap...

I think he's past boatload of cash...he's gonna have to take less money to play somewhere if he wants to play no one really has boatloads to give him right now.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's not hold out to be paid top 3.

Actually, my point is a lot of people assume he does those things & is this awesome leader and never question his actions or his motives because he started his career as a reallllllyyyyyy good player. First impressions man, first impressions.

You can question what you want. My point is there's no proof he doesn't do any of this. What we do know is he plays the game at a high level, he's durable and he's dependable. We can rely on him. That we do know.

 

[McKDaddy]

You can question what you want. My point is there's no proof he doesn't do any of this. What we do know is he plays the game at a high level, he's durable and he's dependable. We can rely on him. That we do know.

Odd that the run game was better when he was out last year though. Some people have picked up on the fact he isn't playing at such a high level recently. I imagine by the end of this season the seats on that train will be getting pretty full.

Here's hoping he did some of the things I questioned. If so, maybe he can fight off Father Time a little longer.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Odd that the run game was better when he was out last year though. Some people have picked up on the fact he isn't playing at such a high level recently. I imagine by the end of this season the seats on that train will be getting pretty full.

Here's hoping he did some of the things I questioned. If so, maybe he can fight off Father Time a little longer.

That game was what agains the lowly Cardinals who dominated us?

 

[Proof]

That's my point though. Broncos can cut Simmons for nothing he did just simply mismanaging their cap...

I think he's past boatload of cash...he's gonna have to take less money to play somewhere if he wants to play no one really has boatloads to give him right now.

yeah I know your point. that's rarely the case. the broncos are a special kind of dumb. but anyway, I have a bigger issue with hold outs than I do players getting cut. is what it is.

 

[McKDaddy]

That game was what agains the lowly Cardinals who dominated us?

Which is that much worse. But you are only looking at full games missed. He missed other snaps & Bass\Hoffman showed it wasn't that big a loss.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

yeah I know your point. that's rarely the case. the broncos are a special kind of dumb. but anyway, I have a bigger issue with hold outs than I do players getting cut. is what it is.

Hold outs are rare as well lol. The only guys doing holdouts are the elite of the elite. I can name on one hand how many guys have actually held out in Dallas over the past 20 years.

Meanwhile guys are cap casualties every offseason lol.

But I get it I know you personally don't care about players getting cut because it doesn't hurt the fan. Holdouts hurt the fan because it hurts the salary cap.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Which is that much worse. But you are only looking at full games missed. He missed other snaps & Bass\Hoffman showed it wasn't that big a loss.

I mean you brought up the Cardinals I didn't lol. Last year isn't even really relevent to the discussion. He held out before last season. We should be talking about what happened in 2022 not what happened in 2023 post hold out.

 

[McKDaddy]

I mean you brought up the Cardinals I didn't lol. Last year isn't even really relevent to the discussion. He held out before last season. We should be talking about what happened in 2022 not what happened in 2023 post hold out.

I most certainly did not. Not sure why you would say that.

He held out in TC last year. Why wouldn't what he did in 2023 season be of the utmost relevance?

We can talk about 2022. It was better than 2023 for sure .... but it wasn't All Pro either.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I most certainly did not. Not sure why you would say that.

He held out in TC last year. Why wouldn't what he did in 2023 season be of the utmost relevance?

We can talk about 2022. It was better than 2023 for sure .... but it wasn't All Pro either.

You brought up the game he missed where we had our best rushing output without him. I assumed it was the Cardinals game what game are you referencing if its not that one?

2023 wouldn't have any relevance because the discussion was Martin playing at the highest level and not being compensated for it. At the time the 2023 season hadn't even been played it. It was the 2022 season.

 

[McKDaddy]

You brought up the game he missed where we had our best rushing output without him. I assumed it was the Cardinals game what game are you referencing if its not that one?

2023 wouldn't have any relevance because the discussion was Martin playing at the highest level and not being compensated for it. At the time the 2023 season hadn't even been played it. It was the 2022 season.

I said the run game was better when he was out. I didn't say out for a game. Just out of the lineup. He got hurt early in Jets game an missed snaps the week after Cardinals I believe. Then late in the season at Buffalo.

He was screaming at himself early in the 2022 season. Does that ring any bells? Regardless of any accolades or fan boy chatter he wasn't playing at the highest level and I suspect he would say the same.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I said the run game was better when he was out. I didn't say out for a game. Just out of the lineup. He got hurt early in Jets game an missed snaps the week after Cardinals I believe. Then late in the season at Buffalo.

He was screaming at himself early in the 2022 season. Does that ring any bells? Regardless of any accolades or fan boy chatter he wasn't playing at the highest level and I suspect he would say the same.

I'm confused so you don't think the run game was better in the Cardinals game?

As far as him screaming at himself he has a high standard for himself. All Pro. Allowed no sacks.

 

[plymkr]

. Holding out reveals a lot about him and why he might not a player committed to winning championships.

Yep, our players are more committed to winning the Salary Bowl instead of the Super Bowl. It’s disappointing