There are two clear camps after the Amari trade

And Camp 3. Those that don't want to trade a #1 for a WR when there are other problems with the offense. Unless the guy is a Jerry Rice he's not worth it. Still seeing Joey Galloway and Roy Williams in my head. If he was the last part to winning a SB it would be different.
 
PA Cowboy Fan said:
And Camp 3. Those that don't want to trade a #1 for a WR when there are other problems with the offense. Unless the guy is a Jerry Rice he's not worth it. Still seeing Joey Galloway and Roy Williams in my head. If he was the last part to winning a SB it would be different.
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The other problem with the offense is your boy Dak..I mean what side are you on anyway PA? Some days you love Dak other days you don't.
 
Mr_Strol said:
After a few days of letting the trade sink in, there are two clear camps.

Camp 1. Those who like the trade.
Camp 2. Those who have actually been paying attention to Amari Cooper the last two and a half years.
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After a few days? Its been a day and half lol
 
Mr_Strol said:
After a few days of letting the trade sink in, there are two clear camps.

Camp 1. Those who like the trade.
Camp 2. Those who have actually been paying attention to Amari Cooper the last two and a half years.
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My initial reaction was excitment at getting Cooper

Then I was annoyed by the compensation Dallas gave up for him.

But after thought and reading a few more rational posts, it's "not so bad" but it does hinge on Cooper being who we hope he can be.

There's no doubt that Beasley is the leader on the WR corp. He leads by example. He works hard, gets open, he fights.

In Oakland, Cooper never had a guy like that around on offense/WR.

The same way the OL took in and helped Jonathan Cooper develop to be a better OL than he'd been, I think Dallas and the WRs can do with Amari Cooper
 
Mr_Strol said:
After a few days of letting the trade sink in, there are two clear camps.

Camp 1. Those who like the trade.
Camp 2. Those who have actually been paying attention to Amari Cooper the last two and a half years.
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I have a question for those in camp 2. You say the last 2 and a half years. Shouldn't it be the last 1 and a half years?

2018 (half year - actually only 6 games) 8 games would be half of a year but Oakland has only played 6 so far. 22 receptions for 280 yards. Over a 16 game season that would translate into 59 receptions for 747 yards. Not good, so I see your point. 2018 has not been a good year for Cooper.

2017 (full year - so now we are up to the last 1 and a half years) - 48 receptions for 680 yards. Again, not good.

2016 (full year - so now we are up to the last 2 and a half years) - 83 receptions for 1153 yards. I don't know about you or the other members of group 2 but I would definitely take those numbers everyday of the week.

Actually, I am part of another group. I don't belong to group 1 or 2. I am part of the group that is willing to see how it goes before I decide whether the trade was good or bad.
 
brooksey1 said:
The other problem with the offense is your boy Dak..I mean what side are you on anyway PA? Some days you love Dak other days you don't.
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Not my boy. I said I'd give him this year to prove himself. He hasn't so far. I don't think he's going to be able to take us where we need to go. I think he can play in this league perhaps be an Alex Smith. My problem is people who blame him for everything. The OL has been subpar this year and the WR's have sucked. The coaching is the biggest problem. But yea I was hoping we could get a top pick so we could get a new QB. I have no confidence that Dak can bring us back if we get more than a TD down.
 
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EPL0c0 said:
My initial reaction was excitment at getting Cooper

Then I was annoyed by the compensation Dallas gave up for him.

But after thought and reading a few more rational posts, it's "not so bad" but it does hinge on Cooper being who we hope he can be.

There's no doubt that Beasley is the leader on the WR corp. He leads by example. He works hard, gets open, he fights.

In Oakland, Cooper never had a guy like that around on offense/WR.

The same way the OL took in and helped Jonathan Cooper develop to be a better OL than he'd been, I think Dallas and the WRs can do with Amari Cooper
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But why ain't that translating to guys who have been with Beasley since OTAs? You know...the guys that the media and the team told us would be the greatest thing since slice bread with route-running guru Sanjay Sal polishing them up.
 
RodeoJake said:
Camp 3. Those of us who want see how it pans out before passing judgement.
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Oh you mean the camp which is capable of reasonable thought. I have no issue with people celebrating or being upset, but at the end of the day we have to simply watch this play out. Nobody knows. We needed a wr and we got a 24 year old stud whose had a couple down years but clearly isnt past his prime. I will be holding my breath and hoping for the best!
 
RodeoJake said:
Camp 3. Those of us who want see how it pans out before passing judgement.
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I'm in 3. I had said when rumors started that a 3rd or 2nd at most in terms of draft pick. So I'm not thrilled with giving up a 1. Having said that people will all have their own opinions about this trade but for me it is simple, he either comes in and makes a big impact on this offense not only in his play but in how defenses play us in which case I can accept this trade or he has little to no impact on the offense and they continue to struggle in which case this trade was a complete waste. I don't have a crystal ball as it appears many others seem to have so until I actually see what Cooper brings to the table it is foolish to act as if this was a great or poor pick with any certainty
 
Mr_Strol said:
After a few days of letting the trade sink in, there are two clear camps.

Camp 1. Those who like the trade.
Camp 2. Those who have actually been paying attention to Amari Cooper the last one and a half years.
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Fixed.
He is 24 years old and has 2 1,000 yard seasons in the nfl. The 2 camps are
Camp 1. Those who want the team to win and know our WR corps is one of the worst in the nfl.
Camp 2. Those who actually thought we would use the 1st round pick on a QB. And won't stop crying
 
RodeoJake said:
Camp 3. Those of us who want see how it pans out before passing judgement.
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Process > Results

Always and forever.

This was a terrible process decision. That's what i'm focused on. Just like Zeke over Ramsey was a terrible process decision.

Our decision makers are bad at processing information and making correct decisions. At this point i'm resigned that we have to luck into a great team and that it won't happen based on consistent smart decisions. It's depressing.
 
Mr_Strol said:
After a few days of letting the trade sink in, there are two clear camps.

Camp 1. Those who like the trade.
Camp 2. Those who have actually been paying attention to Amari Cooper the last two and a half years.
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Camp 3 must be the people who haven’t been paying attention and can’t do math, overlooking that it’s only one and a half seasons that raise cause for concern.

If they had been paying attention, they might have noticed that his troubles are likely the result of many factors, including a foot injury last year and a general decline in the Raiders’ offensive production, as well as issues with drops. But the factor that really stands out is targets: when he gets them he produces. Many games he doesn’t get more than a few. In fact, there’s a clear drop of roughly 30% in the number of targets he got in 2017 and is on pace for this year, relative to his first two (Pro Bowl) years in the league.
 
Or you fall in the camp where the player is fine, the compensation is egregious and the actual transaction highlights that this front office HAS NO CLUE how to build a roster.

Again, it was only 5 months ago that Stephen Jones came out and basically said a #1 WR isn't needed, there aren't that many anyway and zero have won SBs..................... and then 5 months later, trades a #1 pick for a WR.

They really have no plan, no vision. It's fly by the seat of your pants roster building.
 
If the oline was completely healthy..then I don't think they would have had to make the trade...but Dak doesn't have alot of time to scan the field...
 
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