There Is So Much Pressure To Draft QBs This Year

[UnoDallas]

Jimmy Clausen or Cam Newton?

Ryan Gabbart or Ryan Fitzpatrick?

Ryan Gabbart or Max Hall or John Skelton?

Ryan Gabbart or Jordan Palmer (assuming of course, he doesn't leave with his brother)?

Ryan Gabbart or Ryan Fitzpatrick?

thats the only one right IMHO

 

[Hostile]

FIFY :laugh2:

Oh duh. Thanks.

 

[Hostile]

so you think they will draft an inexperienced Rookie QB :laugh2:

over waiting until the lockout is over and getting Kolb - MaNabb- Palmer

I just don't buy this idea

Yes, I believe they will have to roll the dice on a rookie.

 

[dogberry]

Are teams allowed football related contact with their drafted players? Give them the playbook and talk about it with a coach?

 

[Hostile]

Are teams allowed football related contact with their drafted players? Give them the playbook and talk about it with a coach?

No, they are not. As soon as they are drafted the players become a part of the NFLPA and are locked out.

 

[UnoDallas]

No, they are not. As soon as they are drafted the players become a part of the NFLPA and are locked out.

well why not wait until the lockout is over and pick up someone

before paying your drafted QB's

sorry man just don't see any logic to your claim

there still locked out whether or not if they were drafted or are on another team - right

so why take the chance with a Rookie QB when you can get a QB that has played in NFL

 

[Hostile]

well why not wait until the lockout is over and pick up someone

before paying your drafted QB's

sorry man just don't see any logic to your claim

there still locked out whether or not if they were drafted or are on another team - right

so why take the chance with a Rookie QB when you can get a QB that has played in NFL

Squat and watch.

 

[UnoDallas]

Squat and watch.

ok will do

but I would be shocked and I mean extremely shocked

if it happens the way your predicting


Don't see it

don't think it will happen


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-2807.html


But would it be wrong or just different if the Panthers took LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson with the first pick in the draft? The short answer is this: it wouldn’t be wrong if he’s the best player.


“Why can’t you take a corner first?” Panthers coach Ron Rivera said. “A shutdown corner, or a very, very good corner who can harass the receivers, throw off their timing is important as it is because it’s turning into a passing league. How is he going to impact your defense? Can it also help the offense? There are a few really good ones out there. Does he help our pass rush? Does he help get the ball back and get our offense back on the field?”

Bill Polian of the Colts is one of the best drafters we’ve ever seen, so I asked him what he thought about taking a cornerback first. “I don’t think there isn’t any position that shouldn’t be taken first,” he said. “That pick carries a high price tag with it, so you want to make sure you are getting your money’s worth. So it goes back to take the best player.”

my last two cents

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

In the NFL it's all about the QB. You get the good ones in the Draft.

 

[Hostile]

In the NFL it's all about the QB. You get the good ones in the Draft.

Yep and recent years show how getting one early is working. No team looking to turn around from the dregs is going to ignore it.

Falcons
Lions
Rams
Ravens

 

[burmafrd]

Frankly this is one of the worst years for QBs too. Gabbert is probably the safest pick but all the rest are huge gambles with big question marks. I am trying to remember what year it was in the 80's when about 6 QBs went high in the first and 4 of them busted.

 

[Hostile]

Frankly this is one of the worst years for QBs too. Gabbert is probably the safest pick but all the rest are huge gambles with big question marks. I am trying to remember what year it was in the 80's when about 6 QBs went high in the first and 4 of them busted.

1983, but 3 of them were HOFers, not 2. Hard to call Eason and O'brien busts though.

1. John Elway
7. Todd Blackledge
14. Jim Kelly
15. Tony Eason
24. Ken O'Brien
27. Dan Marino

 

[dogberry]

Looking at how players and coaches plan for life after the dispute is settled.

If we drafted Jones or Green, Romo would "invite" one of them to his/our otas.

For a team that needs a new QB, a responsible, current offensive player will be running the off-season drills. If the old QB is still around and running the drills, then he will be training his successor. If no experienced QB is there, who runs their drills? I guess the locked out players could hire a coach to drill them.

 

[burmafrd]

1983, but 3 of them were HOFers, not 2. Hard to call Eason and O'brien busts though.

1. John Elway
7. Todd Blackledge
14. Jim Kelly
15. Tony Eason
24. Ken O'Brien
27. Dan Marino

I was thinking there was another year in the 80's that had a bunch of busts. Maybe my memory is going.

EDIT: 1999 had a bunch of busts.

 

[Hostile]

ok will do

but I would be shocked and I mean extremely shocked

if it happens the way your predicting

Today comes word that the Bengals may take Ryan Mallett. They are visiting with him for 2 days.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6266035

You might want to pay attention to my theory after all.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Jimmy Clausen or Cam Newton?

Blaine Gabbart or Ryan Fitzpatrick?

Blaine Gabbart or Max Hall or John Skelton?

Blaine Gabbart or Jordan Palmer (assuming of course, he doesn't leave with his brother)?

I was really high on Clausen, and im really low on Newton. I'd go Clausen, and if it doesn't work out they'll be in the Andrew Luck/Barkley sweepstakes next year



Fitzpatrick can win you games, add the fact they could get a Von Miller or Peterson and I'd go Fitzpatrick


Skelton is my favorite of the 3 longterm.


Gabbart no doubt.


If I was building a team i'd target one of the 2nd/3rd round QB's, its a better value. Now the amount of QB's that go in the top 10 will depend greatly on if they get a new CBA done before the draft, if they do you got Palmer, Bulger, Orton, McNabb and a few other starting quality veterans that may endup on a new team .

 

[Dmoore Esq]

Yep and recent years show how getting one early is working. No team looking to turn around from the dregs is going to ignore it.

Falcons
Lions
Rams
Ravens

But the guys they took early actually had early round grades. Teams aren't going to take Jake Locker convincing themselves he's the next Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. I don't see where the lockout will make teams reach.

QB is the most important position, but I don't see the advantage to drafting someone over trading for a Kolb or signing a FA. Those guys will be available eventually, once football is going to get under way. I don't think you'll have the Seahawks or the like saying "Okay, we've got Jake Locker. We're set".

Today comes word that the Bengals may take Ryan Mallett. They are visiting with him for 2 days.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6266035

You might want to pay attention to my theory after all.

Maybe because a lot of people think he's the most NFL ready QB, and the most talented passer in the bunch? I'm not sure he wouldn't be the first QB on my board.


Clearly all we can do is speculate, but I just can't agree with this line of reasoning. Maybe your love of Peterson is coloring your judgment?

 

[Hostile]

Clearly all we can do is speculate, but I just can't agree with this line of reasoning. Maybe your love of Peterson is coloring your judgment?

Of course it is, but this is about thinking like an NFL team, not a fan for a minute. Can they gamble on round 2. An emphatic no.

Prediction national scouting services will take up this theme if the lockout stretches.

 

[UnoDallas]

Today comes word that the Bengals may take Ryan Mallett. They are visiting with him for 2 days.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6266035

You might want to pay attention to my theory after all.

that does not surpise me

I rather have Mallet then Newtonn

http://fansalwayswrite.com/2011/02/17/cam-newton-future-nfl-bust/

Remember, this is a guy who got caught cheating three times before getting busted for possessing a stolen laptop during his brief stay at the University of Florida. And I’m supposed to believe he can flawlessly comprehend and command an NFL offense, read complex defensive schemes, and process copious amounts of information in nanoseconds?

To be honest, I’d feel more comfortable drafting Greg McElroy in the sixth round (or Andy Dalton in the fourth), but I’ll save that argument for later. This Cam Newton infatuation just reeks of a classic case of style winning out over substance, and I’m not going to fall into that trap.

If I’m about to invest tens of millions of dollars in a quarterback expected to lead my franchise for the next decade, I’d prefer there not be serious questions regarding his character. I’m telling you, a constant cloud of controversy and scrutiny is destined to surround whatever team drafts Cam Newton

It didn’t take a trained eye to see that Newton operated in a one-read scheme, meaning that if his primary receiver wasn’t open he’d basically just tuck the ball and run. That works in college when you’re 6-5, 250 pounds and can just run over smaller defenders. In the NFL, however, such a playing style will literally get a quarterback killed.

Separate Cam Newton the football player from Cam Newton the person. If you still think he’s worth the risk, more power to you. I don’t, and I’d be willing to bet a sizable chunk of money that in five years we’re mentioning Newton’s name in the same sentence as Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell (of whom he reminds me, by the way). If I have the option of taking a less talented guy with impeccable character or a highly talented guy who also happens to be a rotten person, I’m taking the former eleven times out of ten.

You know something, I bet Dan Snyder absolutely loves himself some Cam Newton

http://www.prodraftcentral.com/bust-alert-why-i-would-never-draft-cam-newton/

Another concern is whether the lockout will cut into training camp time. If it does, as I expect it will, it will severely hamper any quarterback’s ability to learn a new offense, especially someone like Newton who spent his entire college career in systems radically different from those found in the NFL

Newton played in a spread-option style offense at Auburn. Most of his reads involved whether to hand off the ball or keep it himself, and when he did drop back to pass, it was usually one read, then if his receiver was covered, he took off. When Newton comes in to the NFL, he is going to have to play a completely different style of offense, one that requires him to make multiple reads, check the ball down to his backs, and not rely so much on his legs to get him out of trouble. We saw this season with Michael Vick that a scrambling quarterback only really becomes dangerous when they are equally effective in the pocket, and Cam Newton has show none of that up to this point.

Throughout the draft process, I have heard from many different sources that Newton’s outgoing, charismatic public persona is vastly different from how he is privately, where he is arrogant and entitled. We have seen glimpses of this at times, such as the time he declared himself to be an entertainer and an icon, and his use of the third person at press conferences from time to time. For me, there is no trait I like less in a football player than someone who has a sense of entitlement, because it means they will sit back and not put the work in to make the most of their talents, and in my opinion, is the number one indicator that a player will be a bust. Also, if he is entitled now, how bad is it going to get once he is drafted, has a big contract and no longer has to prove himself

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/3/1...-quarterback-cam-newton-for-a-private-workout

Even though the Bengals might be shying "away from Cam Newton" with quarterbacks coach Ken Zampese attending Arkansas' Pro Day, the Bengals will invite the Auburn quarterback for a private workout, according to Evan Silva. Newton will also visit the Tennessee Titans, Miami Dolphins and Cleveland Browns.

This doesn't mean Newton is a shoe-in to be become a Bengal if he's available. NFL teams can invite up to 30 prospects for a private workout and the Bengals would be wise to gather as much information as possible.

 

[UnoDallas]

Today comes word that the Bengals may take Ryan Mallett. They are visiting with him for 2 days.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6266035

You might want to pay attention to my theory after all.

yea I will squat and wait - just depends on what I am squatting in




Another concern is whether the lockout will cut into training camp time. If it does, as I expect it will, it will severely hamper any quarterback’s ability to learn a new offense

where as if you wait for VET they can play at the NFL level

and Cinn would not be doing its job if they did not look at all there options at QB