There was really a QB controversy between Troy Aikman and Steve Walsh in 1989?

[CowboysFanSince88]

I was watching the NFLN Top 10 QB controversies and Aikman and Walsh was on the list and never knew it was a contriversy between them until today. I do remember Walsh leading the Boys to their only victory that season over the Skins preventing the Cowboys from becoming the 1989 version of the 2008 Lions.


Roger Starbauch and Craig Morton was also on the list

 

[Manster68]

Staubach and Morton I can certainly understand. They were equal enough for Landry to play a game with both of these guys exchanging plays (loss to Bears 1971).

As far as Aikman and Walsh? Well, if they were remotely equal, then don't you think that Jimmie Johnson would have sided over to his boy at the University of Miami?

That is the way I see it.

 

[cobra]

Has there ever been an NFL team with 2 First Round QBs on the same roster like that? It was an automatic QB controversy.

 

[cobra]

Incidentally, I never understood why, after drafting Aikman #1 overall, we would use a first round tender on Walsh in the supplemental draft. Because that ended up being the #1 overall pick in the 1990 draft.

But one side effect of that was the Cowboys got Emmitt. If the Cowboys had kept that pick and drafted #1 overall, we probably would have drafted the higher rated Blair Thomas for RB (he went #2 overall) instead of Emmittt (#17 overall).

So one could argue that drafting Steve Walsh got the Cowboys Emmitt and saved them from the mistake of drafting Blair Thomas.

 

[Manster68]

Incidentally, I never understood why, after drafting Aikman #1 overall, we would use a first round tender on Walsh in the supplemental draft. Because that ended up being the #1 overall pick in the 1990 draft.

But one side effect of that was the Cowboys got Emmitt. If the Cowboys had kept that pick and drafted #1 overall, we probably would have drafted the higher rated Blair Thomas for RB (he went #2 overall) instead of Emmittt (#17 overall).

So one could argue that drafting Steve Walsh got the Cowboys Emmitt and saved them from the mistake of drafting Blair Thomas.

I have heard that had Jimmie Johnson had that first overall pick, the pick would have been for Junior Seau. I originally thought that was hard to believe because that would mean passing up on Cortez Kennedy. Both had careers worthy of the #1 overall pick.

Yes, it bugs me too that Dallas gave up the #1 overall pick for a quarterback Dallas didn't need. Dallas in 1989 could have kept Pelluer and maybe Aikman didn't have to start in New Orleans in Week 1.

 

[speedkilz88]

Incidentally, I never understood why, after drafting Aikman #1 overall, we would use a first round tender on Walsh in the supplemental draft. Because that ended up being the #1 overall pick in the 1990 draft.

But one side effect of that was the Cowboys got Emmitt. If the Cowboys had kept that pick and drafted #1 overall, we probably would have drafted the higher rated Blair Thomas for RB (he went #2 overall) instead of Emmittt (#17 overall).

So one could argue that drafting Steve Walsh got the Cowboys Emmitt and saved them from the mistake of drafting Blair Thomas.

The Cowboys would never have drafted Blair Thomas because Jimmy wanted a linebacker that draft and tried to trade up for one and when he couldn't he settled for the best player available and traded up a couple spots to take Emmitt. Word was that Jimmy thought Junior Seau was the best player in that draft at the time. Cortez Kennedy the Miami DT might have been tempting also.

 

[BHendri5]

If you pick up the book Boys will be Boys, you will read all the history about Walsh, Aikman, and how Jimmy was down on Aikman and he wanted Walsh, and also how Jimmy finally picked Emmitt, after the other guys he wanted were drafted by teams that picked before us, and how he thought Emmitt was too slow.

That book is really good, and I wish all Cowboys fans would read it, so one they can stop making up their own theories of what really happen, two, so they can find out how Jimmy could have derailed the 90s team before they even got started.

Jimmy was a good coach/motivator really is what he was, and a good designator, and talent evaluator.

What makes most great coaches, is the staff that is around them, as we have seen first hand, without that staff the dynasty is no longer, Jimmy without his staff in miami, did nothing, when he claimed that in 5yrs he would have miami in the superbowl.

Parcells without his staff, made it to a superbowl with new england but they lost, and without even more of his staff with the jets they could only make it to the conference championship game, and with us first round of the playoffs, and a sub 500 season and 2 seasons of just missing the playoffs.

Now we are watching the patriots go down, as belichek's staff is slowly being dismantled.

 

[windward]

If you pick up the book Boys will be Boys, you will read all the history about Walsh, Aikman, and how Jimmy did not want Aikman as the starter but he wanted Walsh, and also how Jimmy finally picked Emmitt, after the other guys he wanted were drafted by teams that picked before us, and how he thought Emmitt was too slow.

That book is really good, and I wish all Cowboys fans would read it, so one they can stop making up their own theories of what really happen, two, so they can find out how Jimmy could have derailed the 90s team before they even got started.

Jimmy was a good coach/motivator really is what he was, and a good designator, and talent evaluator.

What makes most great coaches, is the staff that is around them, as we have seen first hand, without that staff the dynasty is no longer, Jimmy without his staff in miami, did nothing, when he claimed that in 5yrs he would have miami in the superbowl.

Parcells without his staff, made it to a superbowl with new england but they lost, and without even more of his staff with the jets they could only make it to the conference championship game, and with us first round of the playoffs, and 2/3 sub 500 seasons.

Now we are watching the patriots go down, as belichek's staff is slowly being dismantled.

We only had one sub .500 season under Parcells.

and I wouldn't say the Patriots have collapsed yet, seeing as how they are the favorites to win the Super Bowl this year.

 

[BHendri5]

We only had one sub .500 season under Parcells.

and I wouldn't say the Patriots have collapsed yet, seeing as how they are the favorites to win the Super Bowl this year.

You did not read my post well, I said watch how they are slowly being dismatled as their coaching staff gets picked off.
They may be picked to win the superbowl, but so were we before everyone finally admitted that we were done.

There is always a superbowl favorite, inthe preseason. Some have the steelers picked as the favorites, some the giants.
okay one sub 500 under Parcells, I am still glad he is not here anymore.

 

[sonnyboy]

The Cowboys would never have drafted Blair Thomas because Jimmy wanted a linebacker that draft and tried to trade up for one and when he couldn't he settled for the best player available and traded up a couple spots to take Emmitt. Word was that Jimmy thought Junior Seau was the best player in that draft at the time. Cortez Kennedy the Miami DT might have been tempting also.

You beat me to it.

But Cobra was half right. We probably don't end up with Emmitt had we kept that pick.

It's funny how these things work out. I remember going into that draft thinking RB was the last thing we should consider for one reason.
We really sucked and would probably suck for at least a couple more years.

Why get a RB now who we'd use up on a losing team for the next few years? Better off drafting for the positions that take longer to develop like OL or LB.
Than grab a RB in the 91 or 92 draft when we're further along the rebuilding project since RB's can play day one.

This is a perfect example of why a predraft plan should be no plan at all. Or at best a plan to draft the best players, jump on opportunity and let the chips fall where they may.

Just look at our 2008 draft. If I recall, CB and RB were not our top 2 needs.
I think our needs at the time probably stacked up more like this:
WR, NT, OL, CB, MLB, RB.

So what happens? PBA for both our 1sts go RB and CB. Then after failing to take a player at a key needs in rds 1-3 what happens?
The PBA is ANOTHER CB!

I'd say that worked out well for us.

 

[windward]

You did not read my post well, I said watch how they are slowly being dismatled.
They may be picked to win the superbowl, but so were we before everyone finally admitted that we were done.

There is always a superbowl favorite, inthe preseason. Some have the steelers picked as the favorites, some the giants.

Patriots record since Weis and Crennel left:

11-5 lost in div playoffs
12-4 lost in AFCCG
16-0 lost in SB
11-5 (without Tom Brady)

Sure looks like they're falling apart there.

Sorry, the facts don't support your claim.

 

[windward]

You beat me to it.

But Cobra was half right. We probably don't end up with Emmitt had we kept that pick.

It's funny how these things work out. I remember going into that draft thinking RB was the last thing we should consider for one reason.
We really sucked and would probably suck for at least a couple more years.

Why get a RB now who we'd use up on a losing team for the next few years? Better off drafting for the positions that take longer to develop like OL or LB.
Than grab a RB in the 91 or 92 draft when we're further along the rebuilding project since RB's can play day one.

This is a perfect example of why a predraft plan should be no plan at all. Or at best a plan to draft the best players, jump on opportunity and let the chips fall where they may.

Just look at our 2008 draft. If I recall, CB and RB were not our top 2 needs.
I think we were probably needs at the time stacked up more like this:
WR, NT, OL, CB, MLB, RB.

So what happens? PBA for both our 1sts go RB and CB. Then after failing to take a player at a key needs in rds 1-3 what happens?
The PBA is ANOTHER CB!

I'd say that worked out well for us.

Thank goodness for Emmitt cause look who the top rated running backs were i the 1991 draft:

Leonard Russell
Jarrod Bunch
Eric Bienemy
Harvey Williams
Nick Bell
Ricky Watters
Aaron Craver
Ricky Irvins
Robert Wilson.
Chuck Webb

Yuck. Ony one good RB out of that bunch.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

It's funny how that draft fell into place. Jimmy basically bungled his way into getting Emmitt Smith. After the obvious guys were out of reach (Seau, Kennedy, Blair Thomas), I believe the guy they set their sights on was James Francis, LB out of Baylor. He was drafted by the Bengals earlier than most expected (go figure with the Bengals), so they traded up to get Emmitt.

 

[burmafrd]

Since Crennel and Weis left have the Pats won the SB? Would they have lost to the giants if they had had better offensive and defensive coordinators? Look what they accomplished with LESS talent with them in the 4 years before they left? So yes Belliceck had less of a staff then he had before and it shows. WITH MORE TALENT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED LESS.

 

[burmafrd]

This just shows that Jimmy was not God. He made mistakes just like every one else does. He actually did not hit on a good percentage of his draft choices- BUT he had so many that it did not matter that only 1/3 panned out.

 

[speedkilz88]

You beat me to it.

But Cobra was half right. We probably don't end up with Emmitt had we kept that pick.

It's funny how these things work out. I remember going into that draft thinking RB was the last thing we should consider for one reason.
We really sucked and would probably suck for at least a couple more years.

Why get a RB now who we'd use up on a losing team for the next few years? Better off drafting for the positions that take longer to develop like OL or LB.
Than grab a RB in the 91 or 92 draft when we're further along the rebuilding project since RB's can play day one.

This is a perfect example of why a predraft plan should be no plan at all. Or at best a plan to draft the best players, jump on opportunity and let the chips fall where they may.

Just look at our 2008 draft. If I recall, CB and RB were not our top 2 needs.
I think our needs at the time probably stacked up more like this:
WR, NT, OL, CB, MLB, RB.

So what happens? PBA for both our 1sts go RB and CB. Then after failing to take a player at a key needs in rds 1-3 what happens?
The PBA is ANOTHER CB!

I'd say that worked out well for us.

He still probably would have drafted Emmitt since he still had the 20th pick via the Hershell Walker trade (traded up to 17 with Pitt to get Emmitt) and Joe Brodsky is the one who pushed him to do it when they couldn't get Francis or Lathon.

 

[speedkilz88]

This just shows that Jimmy was not God. He made mistakes just like every one else does. He actually did not hit on a good percentage of his draft choices- BUT he had so many that it did not matter that only 1/3 panned out.

He was a power hitter though, when he got a hold of one he usually put it out of the park.

 

[windward]

Since Crennel and Weis left have the Pats won the SB? Would they have lost to the giants if they had had better offensive and defensive coordinators? Look what they accomplished with LESS talent with them in the 4 years before they left? So yes Belliceck had less of a staff then he had before and it shows. WITH MORE TALENT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED LESS.

It's a minimal difference. They were 6 points within 5 super bowl appearances and 4 championships in 7 years. A crazy catch by Tyree and Peyton Manning's finest comeback played a pretty big role in that as well. Last year, after Cassel got his bearings, the Pats were playing as well as ANY team in the league.

Are their accomplishmentsless than 201-2004? Yeah but 28 other teams, ours included, would kill to have that type of track record the last four years.

The Pats may fall off the earth this year, but they certainly have not thus far.

 

[Jimz31]

Had we had the internet like we do today, you would remember.

 

[MONT17]

the controversy was created by 1 man to get more picks... and he did! too bad that approach has been lost with the delicate feelings of todays athlete and a owner who coddles to them.