There's something very familiar about all this

[CyberB0b]

We're seeing another Jason Garrett moment play out. After Wade was out, Garrett and the Cowboys started in with the company line saying that Garrett wanted to do X, but was overruled by Wade, which we know is BS. While Garrett implemented changes like full-pad practices, these were ultimately superficial. As offensive coordinator, he had a hand in shaping the offensive philosophy, which had become predictable and lacked innovation. He said the right things, but lacked actual substance. I see a similar problem with Schottenheimer so far.

Here's a few articles referencing this:

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/8/16/2365943/dallas-cowboys-culture-change-jason-garrett
https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/...cle_29f27513-c0cc-5ad3-99e6-acf0f547d711.html

"How we practice, how we play, how we workout in the offseason, where we live, how we interact with each other. Those are all the things when you talk about changing a culture. It's really about your behavior each and every day in all phases of your program, so that's what we're trying to put our stamp and imprint on this."
Garrett is providing the type of change in culture that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones envisioned when he fired the laid back Wade Phillips and promoted the more vocal Garrett, a former quarterback who was serving as offensive coordinator.

Having retired from the NFL in 2004, Garrett has brought a fresh outlook, even if he's a bit tougher on the players.
He set the tone for the remainder of the season at his first practice by having his players don full pads, something that was never done in the regular season under Phillips.
"Practices are supposed to be hard, " Garrett said. "The seasons are supposed to be hard. But if you work at it and you improve individually and as a group, you have a great chance of having success on Sunday."

Now 15 years later, the Jones family is running the same playbook.

I've listened, I've watched him. I've watched him have deference to his head coach. I've watched him have deference to experienced guys like (defensive coordinator Mike) Zimmer. … I've watched him bite his lip sometimes when he didn't necessarily agree with that direction. But he bit his lip, as his daddy would have told him to bite your lip."

The problem is that they are trying to sell you on a champion of change, when he was a part of the problem. This type of move rarely happens on NFL teams and when it does, it usually goes poorly. A recent example is Antonio Pierce and the Raiders, who lasted only 1 full season.

This all leads back to the primary issue at hand. The culture can't change until the people actually running the football organization change. Ownership can remain in place, so long as they have a competent GM and are willing to part ways with them when they stop performing. A competent GM establishes a clear vision for the team, makes personnel decisions based on that vision (rather than marketing considerations), and hires coaches who align with that philosophy. They create an environment of accountability and competition, fostering a winning culture from the top down.

Promoting from within might seem like a safe bet, but it’s often a recipe for maintaining the status quo. Internal hires can find themselves entangled in existing power structures and entrenched routines, making it tough to ignite real transformation. For a genuine shake-up, a new coach needs the unwavering support of a general manager armed with a clear directive to revolutionize the team’s culture. We have none of that.

 

[HungryLion]

You’re right. It’s all bullcrap man. Schottenheimer will change the culture when pigs fly.

 

[darealvelle]

Garrett was trying to bring discipline when he got hired, but Jerry cut his nuts off very soon.

 

[CyberB0b]

Garrett was trying to bring discipline when he got hired, but Jerry cut his nuts off very soon.

Why didn’t he bring discipline when he was the offensive coordinator? That’s what I’m getting at. When you are a part of the problem, you don’t get to absolve yourself from that.

 

[Kingofholland]

We're seeing another Jason Garrett moment play out. After Wade was out, Garrett and the Cowboys started in with the company line saying that Garrett wanted to do X, but was overruled by Wade, which we know is BS. While Garrett implemented changes like full-pad practices, these were ultimately superficial. As offensive coordinator, he had a hand in shaping the offensive philosophy, which had become predictable and lacked innovation. He said the right things, but lacked actual substance. I see a similar problem with Schottenheimer so far.

Here's a few articles referencing this:

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/8/16/2365943/dallas-cowboys-culture-change-jason-garrett
https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/...cle_29f27513-c0cc-5ad3-99e6-acf0f547d711.html





Now 15 years later, the Jones family is running the same playbook.



The problem is that they are trying to sell you on a champion of change, when he was a part of the problem. This type of move rarely happens on NFL teams and when it does, it usually goes poorly. A recent example is Antonio Pierce and the Raiders, who lasted only 1 full season.

This all leads back to the primary issue at hand. The culture can't change until the people actually running the football organization change. Ownership can remain in place, so long as they have a competent GM and are willing to part ways with them when they stop performing. A competent GM establishes a clear vision for the team, makes personnel decisions based on that vision (rather than marketing considerations), and hires coaches who align with that philosophy. They create an environment of accountability and competition, fostering a winning culture from the top down.

Promoting from within might seem like a safe bet, but it’s often a recipe for maintaining the status quo. Internal hires can find themselves entangled in existing power structures and entrenched routines, making it tough to ignite real transformation. For a genuine shake-up, a new coach needs the unwavering support of a general manager armed with a clear directive to revolutionize the team’s culture. We have none of that.

It does give you shades of Garrett or even Campo. I hope the 3rd time of making a hire of convenience pays off though and he's far better than we all could have imagined.

I've been critical of the hire as I questioned if Schott deserved the job. Probably not, but in fairness in looking at his resume he's led some offenses under some bad head coaches that also had talent deprived offenses. You can only go so far with lack of talent and his time with the Jets and Seahawks generally had him in the playoff mix. The stint with the Rams under Fischer was a no win. Perhaps he maximized results with the talent he had and I hope the Jones family atleast makes a good effort to surround him with a more talented team than he's had in the past.

 

[Scottishcowboy]

I hope to be proved wrong but I struggle to see how a 24 year NFL coach can suddenly make leap now when none of his previous employers could see that "something". Were they all wrong?

There's a body of work to suggest we know what we have.......not a lot.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Winston Churchill, 1948—— “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Jerry is a stubborn, ignorant old fool.

 

[fivetwos]

It does give you shades of Garrett or even Campo. I hope the 3rd time of making a hire of convenience pays off though and he's far better than we all could have imagined.

I've been critical of the hire as I questioned if Schott deserved the job. Probably not, but in fairness in looking at his resume he's led some offenses under some bad head coaches that also had talent deprived offenses. You can only go so far with lack of talent and his time with the Jets and Seahawks generally had him in the playoff mix. The stint with the Rams under Fischer was a no win. Perhaps he maximized results with the talent he had and I hope the Jones family atleast makes a good effort to surround him with a more talented team than he's had in the past.

It reminds me more of Campo. They were in for a period of decline due to recent poor drafting, but they still had a beat up Aikman (Prescott) initially and Galloway (Lamb) so I guess there was at least a small reason for hope at the time, but they realistically don’t have the roster to make a deep playoff run.

Mostly, it feels like a period of time when Jerry seems to think that MORE of HIM is the answer.

Honestly the only periods of success during his time here were when he has backed off. Then, once each HOF HC that he hired built competitive/championship rosters it’s like…‘I’ll take it from here, thanks bye.’

 

[Scottishcowboy]

Winston Churchill, 1948—— “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Jerry is a stubborn, ignorant old fool.

As a Brit, I'm allowed to say the following.......

Churchill uttered those words after his quota of 3 bottles of brandy per day so at least Jerry is trying to emulate the great man in 1 way.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...

 

[boysfanindc]

Did we expect anything different?

 

[Cowboys5217]

You’re right. It’s all bullcrap man. Schottenheimer will change the culture when pigs fly.

Only Jerry and Stephen can change the culture by removing themselves from football operations, or by selling the franchise.

 

[Tabascocat]

This season is going to be a pleasant surprise or an utter disaster…..I am leaning towards the latter. The offense will be the exact same scheme going back to Garrett and the defense will probably get worse. I will have plenty of popcorn at the ready

 

[Cowboys5217]

Garrett was trying to bring discipline when he got hired, but Jerry cut his nuts off very soon.

Garrett was unqualified for the job. He had no nuts to cut off to begin with. Notice how he never got another HC job again.

 

[john van brocklin]

We're seeing another Jason Garrett moment play out. After Wade was out, Garrett and the Cowboys started in with the company line saying that Garrett wanted to do X, but was overruled by Wade, which we know is BS. While Garrett implemented changes like full-pad practices, these were ultimately superficial. As offensive coordinator, he had a hand in shaping the offensive philosophy, which had become predictable and lacked innovation. He said the right things, but lacked actual substance. I see a similar problem with Schottenheimer so far.

Here's a few articles referencing this:

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/8/16/2365943/dallas-cowboys-culture-change-jason-garrett
https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/...cle_29f27513-c0cc-5ad3-99e6-acf0f547d711.html





Now 15 years later, the Jones family is running the same playbook.



The problem is that they are trying to sell you on a champion of change, when he was a part of the problem. This type of move rarely happens on NFL teams and when it does, it usually goes poorly. A recent example is Antonio Pierce and the Raiders, who lasted only 1 full season.

This all leads back to the primary issue at hand. The culture can't change until the people actually running the football organization change. Ownership can remain in place, so long as they have a competent GM and are willing to part ways with them when they stop performing. A competent GM establishes a clear vision for the team, makes personnel decisions based on that vision (rather than marketing considerations), and hires coaches who align with that philosophy. They create an environment of accountability and competition, fostering a winning culture from the top down.

Promoting from within might seem like a safe bet, but it’s often a recipe for maintaining the status quo. Internal hires can find themselves entangled in existing power structures and entrenched routines, making it tough to ignite real transformation. For a genuine shake-up, a new coach needs the unwavering support of a general manager armed with a clear directive to revolutionize the team’s culture. We have none of that.

Until it's about winning football games and not keeping Jerry comfortable, we are not winning in the post season.
You have to be all in to do that.
Obviously Jerry's definition of all in is different than ours.

 

[HungryLion]

Only Jerry and Stephen can change the culture by removing themselves from football operations, or by selling the franchise.

Agree 100%. That’s why my comment isn’t even a knock on schottenheimer as a person or coach. But he is just trying to accomplish the impossible.

The buck stops with the owners. The culture cascades down from them.

 

[Kingofholland]

It reminds me more of Campo. They were in for a period of decline due to recent poor drafting, but they still had a beat up Aikman (Prescott) initially and Galloway (Lamb) so I guess there was at least a small reason for hope at the time, but they realistically don’t have the roster to make a deep playoff run.

Mostly, it feels like a period of time when Jerry seems to think that MORE of HIM is the answer.

Honestly the only periods of success during his time here were when he has backed off. Then, once each HOF HC that he hired built competitive/championship rosters it’s like…‘I’ll take it from here, thanks bye.’

Definitely similarities, this roster is better though than the team Campo inherited. Offensively there were more pieces that Garrett inherited. Better oline, more receiver depth, and better RB.

 

[tunahelper]

Why didn’t he bring discipline when he was the offensive coordinator? That’s what I’m getting at. When you are a part of the problem, you don’t get to absolve yourself from that.

Like Irvin stated now he he is gonna be a hard *** after we got you that job.

 

[DandyDon52]

Why didn’t he bring discipline when he was the offensive coordinator? That’s what I’m getting at. When you are a part of the problem, you don’t get to absolve yourself from that.

it wasnt within his power to do that.
He was just asst OC, and that doesnt have any power to change anything.
What your saying is like wondering why the OL coach did not affect the culture or penalties etc.
That is like wondering why the water boys didnt get cowboys to play better ,

Only the HC can effect any changes, and he is usually limited by the jones boys.

 

[shabazz]

Familiarity breeds contempt.....or in this case, apathy