Things to get straight before Training Camp

[Pants]

1. Is everyone besides Floaty good with Kellen Moore as the back up? I am fine with him, as long as Dak stays healthy
2. Is Alfred Morris just a Camp Body in case McFadden get injured? That would be my take; I hope he has a strong showing in pre-season games and then Dallas can flip him to a RB-needy team for a late pick, some time in late August/early September
3. Is this Jameill Showers last training camp? When it rains, it pours on some...
4. Did you guys know Noah Brown was just 19 years old? 3 years younger than my daughter...geez...more important to me, has anyone else noticed that Dallas is starting to turnover their entire roster to guys with a color in their name and/or are named Jones? - 3 Browns (Anthony, Brian, Noah), 1 Green (Chaz), 2 with White (Marquez, Lucky Whitehead), Jones (not including ownership, Andy, Byron, Chris, Joseph, Lenny)
5. How raw is Rico Gathers at this point? the ROH guy? not sure
6. Who has the best shot at left guard Cooper or Green? I hope to GOD that it is Cooper - I have no faith in Green at all - I don't see him being healthy and I don't know if he has position flex to play there
7. Can we please Just take Randy Gregory off the roster? Ticks me off every time I see his name. he isn't hurting me being on there, so unless he does something else stupid (likely) l then leave him on there....if this guy EVER makes it back, I would hope he would have a huge chip on his shoulder and that can be harnessed by a guy like marinelli
8. Why is Zach Woods #100 on the roster? because they need two long snappers for TC, for now
9. How long can L.P. Ladouceur snap the ball? He is 36 now the best in the game at his craft...he can play another 10 years, IMO
10. If and it's a BIG if Sam Irwin-Hill beats out Chris Jones in camp,how many of you will use the phrase on a bad punt "What in the Sam Hill was that?" not sure, but being from Arkansas, I might scream SOOOOOOEEEE PIG

 

[MWH1967]

The Cowboys roster page has him listed as 21.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/players/roster/noah-brown-0

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Born: July 19, 1997 (age 19), Flanders, NJ
Height: 6′ 2″
Weight: 223 lbs
Nationality: American
High school: Pope John XXIII Regional High School
Current team: Dallas Cowboys (#85 / Wide receiver)
Parents: Allison Brown, Dwight Brown

 

[MWH1967]

Why assign emotion to any of that? What can you do about it? None of it matters a hill of beans so why concern yourself?

Just discussion....That's like saying why even have the forum at all, it doesn't matter anyway.

 

[MWH1967]

1. Is everyone besides Floaty good with Kellen Moore as the back up? Probably

2. Is Alfred Morris just a Camp Body incase McFadden get injuried? Yes

3. Is this Jameill Showers last training camp? Yes

4. Did you guys know Noah Brown was just 19 years old? No...really?

5. How raw is Rico Gathers at this point? Not very

6. Who has the best shot at left guard Cooper or Green? Cooper

7. Can we please Just take Randy Gregory off the roster? Ticks me off every time I see his name. Not only no but hell no

8. Why is Zach Woods #100 on the roster? Not a long term problem

9. How long can L.P. Ladouceur snap the ball? He is 36 now About 50 more years

10. If and it's a BIG if Sam Irwin-Hill beats out Chris Jones in camp,how many of you will use the phrase on a bad punt "What in the Sam Hill was that?" He won't

What do I win?

1. Is everyone besides Floaty good with Kellen Moore as the back up? Probably

2. Is Alfred Morris just a Camp Body incase McFadden get injuried? Yes

3. Is this Jameill Showers last training camp? Yes

4. Did you guys know Noah Brown was just 19 years old? No...really?

5. How raw is Rico Gathers at this point? Not very

6. Who has the best shot at left guard Cooper or Green? Cooper

7. Can we please Just take Randy Gregory off the roster? Ticks me off every time I see his name. Not only no but hell no

8. Why is Zach Woods #100 on the roster? Not a long term problem

9. How long can L.P. Ladouceur snap the ball? He is 36 now About 50 more years

10. If and it's a BIG if Sam Irwin-Hill beats out Chris Jones in camp,how many of you will use the phrase on a bad punt "What in the Sam Hill was that?" He won't

What do I win?

 

[JoeKing]

Just discussion....That's like saying why even have the forum at all, it doesn't matter anyway.

It's time you stop being so defensive. It's not the same thing at all. The forum exist just fine without asking your questions at this time. Attributing the importance of your question to that of the entire forum is way too self important on your behalf, don't you think? And let's not pretend I total disregarded your questions. I said these are things that wouldn't be on my mind until training camp roles around which is just a couple weeks away.

 

[BAT]

Yeah. Trades like this go down all the time!

I have no idea who you are, I don't dislike you - I just call out unrealistic posts. But please, pretend it is about something personal rather than me blasting an unrealistic fantasy.

Never said trades like this go down all the time but Cowboys have had a long history of exactly these kind of trades. Even before Jimmy came up with his trade value chart, Tex Schramm was a known wheeler and dealer too.

- Demarcus Lawrence trade
- Dez Bryant trade
- Mo Claiborne trade
- Anthony Spencer trade
- Roy Williams trade
- Joey Galloway trade
- Charles Haley trade
- Steve Walsh trade
- the Great Trade Robbery
- Tony Casillas trade
- Thomas Everett trade
- Tony Dorsett trade
- Herb Adderley trade
- Mike Dikta trade
- Craig Morton trade
- Duane Thomas trade (2x)
- Chuck Howley trade

Just some of the more well known, not even tip of iceberg. Not all trades turn out great but let's not act that these trades don't occur, or in your words, unrealistic fantasy.

 

[haleyrules]

Imo,

Morris > McFadden

Me too!!

 

[AbeBeta]

Never said trades like this go down all the time but Cowboys have had a long history of exactly these kind of trades. Even before Jimmy came up with his trade value chart, Tex Schramm was a known wheeler and dealer too.

- Demarcus Lawrence trade
- Dez Bryant trade
- Mo Claiborne trade
- Anthony Spencer trade
- Roy Williams trade
- Joey Galloway trade
- Charles Haley trade
- Steve Walsh trade
- the Great Trade Robbery
- Tony Casillas trade
- Thomas Everett trade
- Tony Dorsett trade
- Herb Adderley trade
- Mike Dikta trade
- Craig Morton trade
- Duane Thomas trade (2x)
- Chuck Howley trade

Just some of the more well known, not even tip of iceberg. Not all trades turn out great but let's not act that these trades don't occur, or in your words, unrealistic fantasy.

Trading for draft picks is irrelevant to this discussion. You were talking about trades before the upcoming season. Unless, of course, you've fixed the flux capacitor.

Charles Haley was traded 25 years ago. It is now extremely rare to see moves of that nature. The other two player trades in the last 20 years that you reference were complete disasters.

Buy yeah, keep on about how it's totally realist to think we are going to get a stud pass rusher before the season starts

 

[BAT]

Trading for draft picks is irrelevant to this discussion. You were talking about trades before the upcoming season. Unless, of course, you've fixed the flux capacitor.

Charles Haley was traded 25 years ago. It is now extremely rare to see moves of that nature. The other two player trades in the last 20 years that you reference were complete disasters.

Buy yeah, keep on about how it's totally realist to think we are going to get a stud pass rusher before the season starts

Chandler Jones was a disaster? Was Charles Haley the last trade that you recognize in the history of the NFL?

 

[MWH1967]

It's time you stop being so defensive. It's not the same thing at all. The forum exist just fine without asking your questions at this time. Attributing the importance of your question to that of the entire forum is way too self important on your behalf, don't you think? And let's not pretend I total disregarded your questions. I said these are things that wouldn't be on my mind until training camp roles around which is just a couple weeks away.

sorry for the early jump broda

 

[AbeBeta]

Chandler Jones was a disaster? Was Charles Haley the last trade that you recognize in the history of the NFL?

Trades like that are exceedingly rare - you've got 2 examples from the past 25 years.

It's like you don't realize every post you make destroys your own argument

 

[JoeKing]

sorry for the early jump broda

It's all good. In a couple of weeks we are going to have new things to talk about every day and it will be hard to keep up with it all. Until then we have time to ponder what is important to see improvements at, I get it. Just because I don't consider those things until training camp actually starts doesn't mean other don't consider them earlier.

 

[BAT]

Trades like that are exceedingly rare - you've got 2 examples from the past 25 years.

It's like you don't realize every post you make destroys your own argument

There you go exaggerating again. There have been many big trades than just TWO in last 25 years.

- Jared Allen was traded from Chiefs to Vikes
- Richard Seymour traded from Pats to Raiders
- Multiple pro bowl RBs traded: Beastmode (2x), Lesean McCoy, Demarcus Murray
- Multiple pro bowl QBs traded: Cutler, McNair, McNabb, Culpepper, Favre
- Multiple pro bowl WRs traded: Randy Moss (2x), Wes Welker, Santonio Holmes, Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Terrell Owens, Percy Harvin
- Multiple pro bowl TEs: Tony Gonzalez, Jeremy Shockey, Jimmy Graham, Martellus Bennett
- Others: Darrell Revis, Champ Bailey, DeAndre Hall, Clinton Portis, Brandon Merriweather, Jon Gruden, Hugh Douglas,

At least you changed your phrasing from "fantasy" to "rare". You're almost there.

 

[AbeBeta]

There you go exaggerating again. There have been many big trades than just TWO in last 25 years.

- Jared Allen was traded from Chiefs to Vikes
- Richard Seymour traded from Pats to Raiders
- Multiple pro bowl RBs traded: Beastmode (2x), Lesean McCoy, Demarcus Murray
- Multiple pro bowl QBs traded: Cutler, McNair, McNabb, Culpepper, Favre
- Multiple pro bowl WRs traded: Randy Moss (2x), Wes Welker, Santonio Holmes, Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Percy Hardin,
- Multiple pro bowl TEs: Tony Gonzalez, Jeremy Shockey, Jimmy Graham, Martellus Bennett
- Others: Darrell Revis, Champ Bailey, DeAndre Hall, Clinton Portis, Brandon Merriweather,

At least you changed your phrasing from "fantasy" to "rare". You're almost there.

So the mythical pass rusher or two to bring in. Happened what, 3-4 times in the last quarter century?

Yet you still maintain it isn't fantasy to think we can make that sort of addition via trade.

What a joke - ride that unicorn off into the sunset

 

[LocimusPrime]

I wanna trade for this player. Would help team immensely. Change of pace back w some receiving skills

 

[BAT]

So the mythical pass rusher or two to bring in. Happened what, 3-4 times in the last quarter century?

Yet you still maintain it isn't fantasy to think we can make that sort of addition via trade.

What a joke - ride that unicorn off into the sunset

These were examples, go do your own research. Big trades are neither fantasies nor unicorns. You were making progress with "rare" then you had to go and have an unfortunate relapse.

And if it isn't personal, I'd hate to see you getting personal. You obviously can't have a simple dialog without being distasteful..

 

[AbeBeta]

These were examples, go do your own research. Big trades are neither fantasies nor unicorns. You were making progress with "rare" then you had to go and have an unfortunate relapse.

And if it isn't personal, I'd hate to see you getting personal. You obviously can't have a simple dialog without being distasteful..

32 teams in the league and big time pass rusher moving once every 4-5 years at best.

What do rare mean?

 

[BAT]

32 teams in the league and big time pass rusher moving once every 4-5 years at best.

What do rare mean?

On the right path again, try not to regress.

 

[AbeBeta]

On the right path again, try not to regress.

And you try to distinguish between personal attacks vs. someone pointing out how preposterous your arguments are, k?