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It sure doesn't look like Jerry is going to be able to swing a deal for a big-time veteran receiver. He may still surprise all of us, but the odds are against it.

So the "wow" player still hasn't been obtained. I know that a lot of people may think that this points directly to Darren McFadden. As intriguing as that might be, I think the cost will be just as prohibitive when it comes to making that move as it would to go after the established receiver. So I'm going to hold off on that too...

More and more, it feels to me like Dallas ought to concentrate more of getting the best value they can with what they already have.

Meanwhile, Felix Jones keeps being mentioned as a possible pick for the Cowboys. The reason why he interests me more than he does a lot of other fans is because I view him as the best big-play threat in this draft. He can put points on the board from any point of the field.

But the other thing that I really think is being underplayed is that there are a lot of people who seem to think that Felix Jones can be a Reggie Bush type player. If you can take him and split him out, keep him on the field with Barber at times, and make defenses account for him on every single play, haven't you really improved your offense?

I know that a lot of people think a backup running back should be taken with a later pick, and usually I would agree. I just wonder if Felix's skill set doesn't make him somewhat of an exception when you consider what this team needs?

That still allows you to take a good corner early. You still have plenty of ammo to address any other positions you would like, as well.

Anyway, I remember the thread where so many were speaking out against Felix Jones, and I'm wondering if anyone is coming around to the idea?
 

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ddh33;2046161 said:
It sure doesn't look like Jerry is going to be able to swing a deal for a big-time veteran receiver. He may still surprise all of us, but the odds are against it.

So the "wow" player still hasn't been obtained. I know that a lot of people may think that this points directly to Darren McFadden. As intriguing as that might be, I think the cost will be just as prohibitive when it comes to making that move as it would to go after the established receiver. So I'm going to hold off on that too...

More and more, it feels to me like Dallas ought to concentrate more of getting the best value they can with what they already have.

Meanwhile, Felix Jones keeps being mentioned as a possible pick for the Cowboys. The reason why he interests me more than he does a lot of other fans is because I view him as the best big-play threat in this draft. He can put points on the board from any point of the field.

But the other thing that I really think is being underplayed is that there are a lot of people who seem to think that Felix Jones can be a Reggie Bush type player. If you can take him and split him out, keep him on the field with Barber at times, and make defenses account for him on every single play, haven't you really improved your offense?

I know that a lot of people think a backup running back should be taken with a later pick, and usually I would agree. I just wonder if Felix's skill set doesn't make him somewhat of an exception when you consider what this team needs?

That still allows you to take a good corner early. You still have plenty of ammo to address any other positions you would like, as well.

Anyway, I remember the thread where so many were speaking out against Felix Jones, and I'm wondering if anyone is coming around to the idea?


I don't believe that anybody else in this draft would take Jones in the 1st round. If nobody else would consider taking this player, then it sounds as if it would be a reach to me. I never in favor of reaching for a player. I would not draft him in the 1st round.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2046195 said:
I don't believe that anybody else in this draft would take Jones in the 1st round. If nobody else would consider taking this player, then it sounds as if it would be a reach to me. I never in favor of reaching for a player. I would not draft him in the 1st round.

I would.
 

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A guy I know and trust swears Felix Jones can be an every-down back. His position coach at Arkansas said the same thing.

I don't know.

I do know that Dallas needs to add someone to the offense -- be it WR or RB -- that has the speed to scare defenses.

Romo, Witten, Barber and Owens are all great players, and with Owens starting to slow down, there isn't a guy there that is that lightning bolt that can strike from anywhere on the field.

Maybe Felix Jones offers that type of quick-strike ability. I haven't seen him play enough to have a strong opinion either way.
 

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Goose has said that Felix Jones would be good value at #22. I think he's widely considered to be just a notch below Mendelhall/Stewart, and a notch above Charles&Johnson.

For whatever reason, this board seems to be way, way, way more down on Felix Jones than everyone else seems to be.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2046195 said:
I don't believe that anybody else in this draft would take Jones in the 1st round. If nobody else would consider taking this player, then it sounds as if it would be a reach to me. I never in favor of reaching for a player. I would not draft him in the 1st round.

Jones is going to be drafted in the first round.........by Dallas at 28.......
 

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InmanRoshi;2046213 said:
Goose has said that Felix Jones would be good value at #22. I think he's widely considered to be just a notch below Mendelhall/Stewart, and a notch above Charles&Johnson.

For whatever reason, this board seems to be way, way, way more down on Felix Jones than everyone else seems to be.


I am not really down on Jones, per say. I just don't feel as if he is the 22nd or even 28th best player on the board. I'm just always going to be a guy who leans more towards value and BAP, as opposed to drafting for need. To me, taking Jones in the first round would represent doing just that. JMO of course.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2046230 said:
Now that I could see. Not at 22, but at 28.

Yep - CB at 22 and Jones at 28 - that's my prediction.........which means they'll prolly go OL and WR.
 

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Sarge;2046225 said:
Jones is going to be drafted in the first round.........by Dallas at 28.......

I suppose time will be the true judge. Who knows, you may be right but I would not do it.
 

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Chief;2046208 said:
A guy I know and trust swears Felix Jones can be an every-down back. His position coach at Arkansas said the same thing.

I don't know.

I do know that Dallas needs to add someone to the offense -- be it WR or RB -- that has the speed to scare defenses.

Romo, Witten, Barber and Owens are all great players, and with Owens starting to slow down, there isn't a guy there that is that lightning bolt that can strike from anywhere on the field.

Maybe Felix Jones offers that type of quick-strike ability. I haven't seen him play enough to have a strong opinion either way.


Well, I can certainly understand the logic of speed on the field. The only problem I have with this logic, applied to this player, is the question of how often will he be on the field? Unless we change our offense to a Pro Set type backfield, I don't see how we get full value from Jone's speed, based on how many carries he would get.

The other piece of this would be, if your really only concerned with the idea of getting speed into the backfield, then you almost have to go along with the idea of moving up to get McFadden. If you apply this logic, then it would seem more sensable to take Charles or Smith at 28. Both are faster then Jones and both would basically bring the same things to the table.

I mean, I don't know if we could have beaten New England in the Super Bowl or not but I feel pretty good about our chances, had we been able to get there. The thing about it, from my perspective, is that if you subscribe to the idea that Barber wore down in the second half, then why not get another back with the same skill sets as Barber? If the Giants could only stop Barber when he was gased, then it would seem reasonable to assume that if we had brought in another back like Barber, they would not have been able to stop him either. I don't know. Maybe Jones is the best pick for us at 28 but I just don't believe that.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2046195 said:
I don't believe that anybody else in this draft would take Jones in the 1st round. If nobody else would consider taking this player, then it sounds as if it would be a reach to me. I never in favor of reaching for a player. I would not draft him in the 1st round.

thats interesting...seems he is universally regarded as a 1st rd pick...some have him the 3rd best RB in the draft...1 or 2 pubs had him the 2nd best RB in the draft...Gosselin has him 4th at RB...Gil Brandt has him rated between 21-30, Mayock has always had him as a 1st rd pick...thats just a few

David
 

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Chief;2046208 said:
A guy I know and trust swears Felix Jones can be an every-down back. His position coach at Arkansas said the same thing.

I don't know.

I do know that Dallas needs to add someone to the offense -- be it WR or RB -- that has the speed to scare defenses.

Romo, Witten, Barber and Owens are all great players, and with Owens starting to slow down, there isn't a guy there that is that lightning bolt that can strike from anywhere on the field.

Maybe Felix Jones offers that type of quick-strike ability. I haven't seen him play enough to have a strong opinion either way.

I dont have a problem taking him at all...wouldnt be my first choice of what to do, but he'll be a nice add in the 1st rd and make some big contributions both as a runner and kick returner...he'll definitely add some sorely needed explosiveness

David
 

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After McFadden and Mendenhall I dont think I would draft Stewart or Jones at 22.

If I wanted a RB I might trade back with the 28th pick and select Ray Rice at the top of the 2nd round depending who is on the board of course.
 

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And I guess part of this is my point...

If all Dallas was doing was drafting a backup running back, I would suggest waiting too. But I wonder if Dallas isn't drafting another starter practically. If you've got a chance to get a guy who immediately gives your special teams a big jolt, and this guy can also split out some and catch the ball, and still take 10 carries or so a game, you might as well take that guy...With the exception of a third corner, nothing else is going to improve your team as much anyway.
 

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dbair1967;2046457 said:
thats interesting...seems he is universally regarded as a 1st rd pick...some have him the 3rd best RB in the draft...1 or 2 pubs had him the 2nd best RB in the draft...Gosselin has him 4th at RB...Gil Brandt has him rated between 21-30, Mayock has always had him as a 1st rd pick...thats just a few

David

But what is it based on? I mean, have you seen him projected to any other team in the 1st round? Scott Right has him as the 4th back in the draft. 4 Backs are not going to go in the 1st round. Frank Cooney has him as the 5th back. Again, do you see 5 backs going in the 1st round? Huddle has him as the 7th best back. Scout.com has him 4th. I mean, seriously, I can go check out more but why? Sure, Mayock has him listed as the 4th best RB but do you see 4 backs going in the 1st round? He's a 200 lbs RB. How many 200 lbs RBs have started in the NFL in the last 15 years?

I guess what I'm saying is that if he's ranked as a 1st Rd pick, is he ranked that way because everybody just assumes Jerry will take him or are there other reasons? Personally, I don't see much difference between Jones and two or three other backs that will be available to us.
 
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Chief;2046208 said:
A guy I know and trust swears Felix Jones can be an every-down back. His position coach at Arkansas said the same thing.

I don't know.

I do know that Dallas needs to add someone to the offense -- be it WR or RB -- that has the speed to scare defenses.

Romo, Witten, Barber and Owens are all great players, and with Owens starting to slow down, there isn't a guy there that is that lightning bolt that can strike from anywhere on the field.

Maybe Felix Jones offers that type of quick-strike ability. I haven't seen him play enough to have a strong opinion either way.





:rolleyes: . Comedians i tells ya.
 
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