Thinking out loud here about OL

[acheman]

Anybody else think if there is no OT worth #9 pick we might consider sliding Bigg Leonard to RT, and drafting for the interior of the OL in the mid rounds? Guys like Wisniewski, Moffit, Cannon, or the kid from Baylor might be better options in the 2nd and 3rd than reaching for an OT in the first round. BIGG washed out as a LT in Arizona, but could he make the move to RT in our system, and getting a younger more mobile Guard for pulling purposes?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If big is too stiff or no longer mobile enough to pull on occasions (usually that is Kosier)...why would someone consider moving him to RT where he has to move around more even if not pulling?

Usually it is from outside to inside when mobility of movement is an issue, not the other way around.

I am not sure why you can not get both a RT and some interior linemen in this draft if you do things right.

 

[jnday]

Anybody else think if there is no OT worth #9 pick we might consider sliding Bigg Leonard to RT, and drafting for the interior of the OL in the mid rounds? Guys like Wisniewski, Moffit, Cannon, or the kid from Baylor might be better options in the 2nd and 3rd than reaching for an OT in the first round. BIGG washed out as a LT in Arizona, but could he make the move to RT in our system, and getting a younger more mobile Guard for pulling purposes?

Bigg is too slow for the RT position. Cannon could come in and have a better chance of of playing the position. Bigg is having trouble in confined blocking areas so he really would get abused on the edge.

 

[Nightshade]

Bigg's due to get PAID man. and his effort just keeps slipping.

How can a guy who is 350 lbs suck so bad at run blocking?
No, I'd like to move on from BIGG JAG.

 

[TheSport78]

Bigg would get destroyed at tackle right now. I would hold out or retire if I were Tony Romo if this move ever happened.

 

[acheman]

I agree Brain, if things work out you could address both needs. I understand the stiffness issue, but surely he would be just as effective as Columbo. And (maybe)Young could be the answer there, and if he needs a few games to get ready, Davis might be able to hold the fort for a few games with some TE help, obviusly not every down. I get what you guys are saying, like I said just thinking out loud.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I understand the stiffness issue, but surely he would be just as effective as Columbo. And maybe Young could be the answer there, and if he needs a few games to get ready, Davis might be able to hold the fort for a few games with some TE help, obviusly not every down. I get what you guys are saying, like I said just thinking out loud.

It is long past time of trying to make do with what we have on the line and address it through the draft or FA and since FA is up in the air right now lets get young and do it in the draft.

Then again, besides Doug Free, the draft has not been to kind to us in the Oline department over the last few years.:

 

[CATCH17]

Heck no. He can't operate in the minimal space he has right now. The guy has dead feet and relies completely on his strength.

You put him at tackle and he is going to look like Colombo but slower.


Sam Young would do a better job than him most likely.

 

[Marktui]

Bigg's due to get PAID man. and his effort just keeps slipping.

How can a guy who is 350 lbs suck so bad at run blocking?
No, I'd like to move on from BIGG JAG.

Davis has no balance and over extends too much when blocking. Meaning he cannot keep his feet moving so he lunges to make the block. Often times he misses badly when he lunges and he ends up on the ground.

He is very top heavy right now. I think his best days are behind him. He would have to lose at 25-30 lbs and work on his feet and lateral movement to have any chance at getting better. All the coaching in the world will not help him right now. There is an abundance of guards in the draft that we could use to help this line, Nightshade is right, I say move on and just go younger.

 

[CATCH17]

Davis has no balance and over extends too much when blocking. Meaning he cannot keep his feet moving so he lunges to make the block. Often times he misses badly when he lunges and he ends up on the ground.

He is very top heavy right now. I think his best days are behind him. He would have to lose at 25-30 lbs and work on his feet and lateral movement to have any chance at getting better. All the coaching in the world will not help him right now. There is an abundance of guards in the draft that we could use to help this line, Nightshade is right, I say move on and just go younger.

YES!!

 

[casmith07]

I don't think Leonard Davis is suited for RT, but I do agree with you that there is much better offensive line value in rounds 2-4 in the draft. Lots of guys that can start in those rounds, like you listed - Iljana, Cannon, Moffitt, Wisniewski, etc.

 

[acheman]

Well seems the consensus is I am out of my mind. I offer Flo as my last point. We let him go the Steelers move him to RT (I understand he was a much better LT than Davis ever was) and they make due enough to get to the SB, while we all lament letting him go and not moving him to RT ourselves. Is he really that much more mobile, or is it more of the style of blocking scheme and power running game the Steelers use that allowed him to be moderately effective for them?

 

[casmith07]

Well seems the consensus is I am out of my mind. I offer Flo as my last point. We let him go the Steelers move him to RT (I understand he was a much better LT than Davis ever was) and they make due enough to get to the SB, while we all lament letting him go and not moving him to RT ourselves. Is he really that much more mobile, or is it more of the style of blocking scheme and power running game the Steelers use that allowed him to be moderately effective for them?

The only reason Flozell Adams was starting for the Steelers is that they were decimated by injuries on their offensive line.

 

[TheDallasDon]

Get off the hard drugs son there bad for ur brain

 

[AmericasTeam2011]

I'd prefer to trade out of the #9 spot unless something crazy happens and someone like Peterson or Fairley drops to us.

 

[the truth of it all]

The more i think on it, id like us to slide down if we can get two first maybe with patriots or see if someone will trade us a future pick we can turn for two first rounders..

Get ol and saftey.. Fill in rest of holes with huge fa class coming out. There has to be some people who needed a change of scenery.

 

[acheman]

"Get off the hard drugs son there bad for ur brain"

Ha ha that's good, well thought out, and a nice contribution to the think tank. Needless to say I don't do drugs. But thanks for the qaulity input.

 

[sonnyboy]

It is long past time of trying to make do with what we have on the line and address it through the draft or FA and since FA is up in the air right now lets get young and do it in the draft.

Then again, besides Doug Free, the draft has not been to kind to us in the Oline department over the last few years.:

Well then we'll just have to go with numbers to get it right.

Someone recently posted all our OL selections for the past decade. I wasn't as surprised with how few quality OL we drafted as I was with how few selctions we used on the OL.

I'm no expert, but I'd wager had we hit on just one more guy, we'd have been right there with the league average. Yet still been at the bottom in selctions used.

We need to trade down once or twice in RD 1. Dropping from 9 to 16 and then again to 24 could net us the 48th and 56th selections in RD 2.

Now we can go to work with the 24th, 40th, 48th and 56th picks in the first two rounds.

You go to your board and take three Offensive Linemen and one FS. Now we added 4 quality prospects to our 2 weakest units on the team.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Anybody else think if there is no OT worth #9 pick we might consider sliding Bigg Leonard to RT, and drafting for the interior of the OL in the mid rounds? Guys like Wisniewski, Moffit, Cannon, or the kid from Baylor might be better options in the 2nd and 3rd than reaching for an OT in the first round. BIGG washed out as a LT in Arizona, but could he make the move to RT in our system, and getting a younger more mobile Guard for pulling purposes?

BIGG was so slow off the snap last season (how he got beat most of the time) that moving him to tackle would be an absolute disaster.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I offer Flo as my last point. We let him go the Steelers move him to RT (I understand he was a much better LT than Davis ever was) and they make due enough to get to the SB, while we all lament letting him go and not moving him to RT ourselves.

No rueage from me and many others. He had to go.