Third And One

[alancdc]

I thought the worst call today was the 3rd and one from around the 50 late in the game, and we throw a low percentage pass down the sideline to Terry Glen that would have been out of bounds had he cought it. I don't understand our offense. We were actually running pretty good at that point. Even if you do call a pass throw a 5 yard pass to Whitten or Key. I can't figure out why we dont throw the quick slant more with Key like we did when Troy and Irvin were together. There is NO way that a corner can stop a quick slant when Key is so big,and a perfect target for the slant. I know you can second guess most plays that don't go your way, but I just thought the 3rd and one from, what the 50, was the biggest call of the day.

 

[AdamJT13]

I thought the worst call today was the 3rd and one from around the 50 late in the game, and we throw a low percentage pass down the sideline to Terry Glen that would have been out of bounds had he cought it. I don't understand our offense. We were actually running pretty good at that point. Even if you do call a pass throw a 5 yard pass to Whitten or Key. I can't figure out why we dont throw the quick slant more with Key like we did when Troy and Irvin were together. There is NO way that a corner can stop a quick slant when Key is so big,and a perfect target for the slant. I know you can second guess most plays that don't go your way, but I just thought the 3rd and one from, what the 50, was the biggest call of the day.

There were other receivers running routes on that play. Sean Ryan was WIDE open in the left flat and could have run for at least a 20-yard gain if he got the ball, but Bledsoe didn't throw it to him.

 

[followthestar]

at that time, i would have to consider it a 4 down situation and figuring i could pick up 1 yard on 2 running plays i would have run it and failing would have run it again on 4th. i agree this was probably the worst call i remember.

 

[Doomsday]

Come on if Dallas would of ran the ball and got stuffed people would be crying "why did they run the ball" it hasnt worked all season. The offense just isnt executing, so it doesnt matter what type of play is called, nothing is working.

 

[Chuck 54]

We'd converted the only other short running play with MBIII. It was less than a yard. But to back up a second, JJ was trying to get the corner on a DE, the only defender over there...I'm sure he thought he'd beat him to the marker on the sideline, but cripes...he's a fast, shifty RB on a DE with tons of room, no other defender in the picture.

Am I the only one who thinks a RB should be able to make a freakin' move and run right by that guy? One hard plant and the DE runs by him...no way can that big guy stop and cut as short as JJ.

Anyhow, the only way I throw that pass on 3rd and 1 is if I know I'm going for it on 4th. By the way, Bledsoe was almost hit before he even set up...he had to plant, sidestep the OL and defender bumping him, and then throw the ball...that might explain why the timing was off on a shorter throw.

 

[Doomsday]

What about the Philly game when they did playaction on 4th and short for a TD? When it works its a great call when it doesnt everyone chirps about it.

 

[jay cee]

We'd converted the only other short running play with MBIII. It was less than a yard. But to back up a second, JJ was trying to get the corner on a DE, the only defender over there...I'm sure he thought he'd beat him to the marker on the sideline, but cripes...he's a fast, shifty RB on a DE with tons of room, no other defender in the picture.

Am I the only one who thinks a RB should be able to make a freakin' move and run right by that guy? One hard plant and the DE runs by him...no way can that big guy stop and cut as short as JJ.

Anyhow, the only way I throw that pass on 3rd and 1 is if I know I'm going for it on 4th. By the way, Bledsoe was almost hit before he even set up...he had to plant, sidestep the OL and defender bumping him, and then throw the ball...that might explain why the timing was off on a shorter throw.

I need to see the play again, but I think the only chance he had was to outrun the DE to the marker. If he tries to cut back he probably runs right into the guys arms.

I think the little hesitation move, where he pauses to get the defender to slow down and then takes off again, might have worked.

Man that DE is a beast. I was totally pumped just waiting for Jones to turn the corner and head upfield for a big gain.

Imagine my shock when it dawned on me that Jones was not going to make it.

 

[alancdc]

No, I think it was a good call only if you planned to go for it on 4th down as well. As said by Wayne above MBIII has been great at short yardage situations this year. As for the Philly game every team runs that play in the end zone, but not in the middle of the field. I'm not saying that is why we lost. We were dominated up front on passing situations. I am only saying that call was not "Bill like".

 

[Juke99]

I need to see the play again, but I think the only chance he had was to outrun the DE to the marker. If he tries to cut back he probably runs right into the guys arms.

I think the little hesitation move, where he pauses to get the defender to slow down and then takes off again, might have worked.

Man that DE is a beast. I was totally pumped just waiting for Jones to turn the corner and head upfield for a big gain.

Imagine my shock when it dawned on me that Jones was not going to make it.

On the nosey.

That play was a back breaker...Umenyiora actually made up ground...

When we threw, I figured we were thinking in terms of four down territory....especially in light of the fact that Parcells has pulled some pretty whacko four down calls since he's been here.

 

[joseephuss]

We'd converted the only other short running play with MBIII. It was less than a yard. But to back up a second, JJ was trying to get the corner on a DE, the only defender over there...I'm sure he thought he'd beat him to the marker on the sideline, but cripes...he's a fast, shifty RB on a DE with tons of room, no other defender in the picture.

Am I the only one who thinks a RB should be able to make a freakin' move and run right by that guy? One hard plant and the DE runs by him...no way can that big guy stop and cut as short as JJ.

Anyhow, the only way I throw that pass on 3rd and 1 is if I know I'm going for it on 4th. By the way, Bledsoe was almost hit before he even set up...he had to plant, sidestep the OL and defender bumping him, and then throw the ball...that might explain why the timing was off on a shorter throw.

At least that running play showed some creativity. Why did they only run it once? They could have turned to that play early in the game when the defensive ends were just flying into the back field. It is still a conservative play because it is a run, but it diversifies how you run the ball. I thought it was a great play by the end. If not, that run goes for at least 10 more yards.

 

[burmafrd]

If anything makes it clear that JJ is not as quick or fast as he was last year, that play showed it. Whether its the added weight or the ankle or both, he does not have that little extra something that he tormented this same giant team last year.

 

[Alexander]

There were other receivers running routes on that play. Sean Ryan was WIDE open in the left flat and could have run for at least a 20-yard gain if he got the ball, but Bledsoe didn't throw it to him.

Bledsoe is beginning to show why I had so little faith in him before the season.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Way too critical of a play at that point in the game to get cute and go for such a low % throw.
My question is how many times this year has MB3 been stopped in short yardage situations?
Answer: Not too many.

BAD, BAD, decision on Bledsoe's part!

 

[DipChit]

I dont think that call (a pass play) had a big bearing on the outcome. I mean in general, I agree that on 3rd and short you must pick up the 1st down first, then worry about taking a shot, but still it general it was just another ugly play on what was an ugly offensive performance overall.

Also, the ball was on our own 38, not the 50 or the Giants 38. Plus had we run and been stuffed everyone woulda just said "they knew that was coming, why not try and fool them".

And as Adam said, it's not like even thogh a pass was called, the ball had to be thrown to Glenn come hell or high water.

 

[Alexander]

Come on if Dallas would of ran the ball and got stuffed people would be crying "why did they run the ball" it hasnt worked all season. The offense just isnt executing, so it doesnt matter what type of play is called, nothing is working.

You got that right.

Nothing is working. Early in the season, the pass was. We had Adams and could give Petitti the help he required.

Now, these two pathetic tackles cannot give Bledsoe the time he needs. We knew this, yet decided to go at it with a limited rookie who needs help and a converted guard. I would be all for giving Price and Columbo an opportunity. It is that bad.

 

[AdamJT13]

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On the nosey.

That play was a back breaker...Umenyiora actually made up ground.

Umenyiora had a significant angle on that play, so he was losing ground the entire time. Umenyiora ran straight across the 35-yard line and still had to dive at Jones from behind.

 

[Juke99]

Umenyiora had a significant angle on that play, so he was losing ground the entire time. Umenyiora ran straight across the 35-yard line and still had to dive at Jones from behind.

I'm going from memory...but...angle or not, there is no denying that Umenyiora made a GREAT play..

and...that the play was BIG.

 

[Juke99]

You got that right.

Nothing is working. Early in the season, the pass was. We had Adams and could give Petitti the help he required.

Now, these two pathetic tackles cannot give Bledsoe the time he needs. We knew this, yet decided to go at it with a limited rookie who needs help and a converted guard. I would be all for giving Price and Columbo an opportunity. It is that bad.

Hey...the Giants got a LOT of push up the middle too...

 

[DLCassidy]

Funny but I thought we got a very bad spot on that play. JJ didn't make the first down, but he extended the ball and I believe he was less than 1 yard short. But the refs made it a good yard and a half. If the spot is accurate we never try a pass play there. It was a key play. It was similar to the Denver game with 2 minutes to go the spot on the 2nd down quick out pass to Keyshawn that did pick up the 1st but was called a yard short and we didn't challenge.

 

[jay cee]

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On the nosey.

That play was a back breaker...Umenyiora actually made up ground...

When we threw, I figured we were thinking in terms of four down territory....especially in light of the fact that Parcells has pulled some pretty whacko four down calls since he's been here.

So did I Juke, I was not upset with the deep pass at all, because I just knew they were going to go for it on that 4th down.