Those Brilliant Patriots

[Hoofbite]

Yeah. The Patriots did all that while securing an extra 1st and 2nd rounder next year.

You're right. They totally suck.

 

[morasp]

The teams I've started watching are the Packers and Steelers. Nothing flashy but it seems like they do a pretty constent job each year in the draft.

 

[Hostile]

Because they got an undersized pass rusher who just got arrested and a guy who was suspended for the season?

You're obviously missing a lot. They got a huge NT, Phil Taylor. They got two picks in next year's draft, a 1st and 4th, and they still have 6 picks left. Oh, and that guy who was suspended for the season is compared to Terrell Owens in ability and the undersized pass rusher is pretty consistent if you watch him.

 

[Arch Stanton]

For all the talk from media members and even some in here of how exceptional the Patriots are, how they manipulate the draft every year, how they are light years ahead of everybody else in draft issues, blah blah blah, they had 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, including 3 picks in the top 33, yet exactly what did they get ? Yes, they moved down from #28 to #56 for a future #1, which would most likely be in the late 20s, barring a disaster by New Orleans. Great move, typical of what they've been doing the past few years, but, quoting the old Wendy's commercial: " where's the beef ? "

1st rnd ( #17 ): OT, Nate Solder - No thanks. Should have checked their own backyard first and pick the guy that played there and was available. Canstonzo is better than Solder.

2nd rnd ( #33 ): CB, Ras-I Dowling - Like the pick alot. Arguably a few slots too early, but good value overall.

2nd rnd ( #56 ): RB, Shane Vereen - Really ? A RB in the 2nd round ? THIS particular guy in the 2nd round ? for my current team ?

3rd rnd ( #73 ): RB, Stevan Ridley - " My nickname is Hoody and I have a RB fetish ". I have 4 picks in the top 73 and I'm drafting not one, but TWO running backs. Nevermind that half my O-line is over 30 years old and I don't have a pass rusher that's worth a damn.

If Jerry Jones dared to do this exact same thing, in the same situation, this place would have to be shut down for good because it would overload however many servers it has.

3rd rnd ( #74 ) QB, Ryan Mallett - Ok, not a bad gamble at this point. I mean, the other picks are pretty stupid, but this one has potential. If he doesn't work out, cut his butt and it would only have cost a 3rd rnd pick. No big deal. If he gets his head straight, Hoody could squeeze a future #1 pick from somebody..

then again, that pick would probably be traded for another pick beyond that future, which would, then, probably turn out to be another running back.


What's the use of having so many wonderful picks if that's what they're going to be spent on ?

They drafted two TE's last season. How did that turn out for them?

 

[Tobal]

I'm still tryinh to peice together what Dallas did in the 2nd and especially the third. I so hoped they'd go hard for lineman.

 

[ThreeandOut]

I've always been more impressed with the Patriot's ability to manipulate the draft than with their actual picks.

 

[Sarge]

Their defense is a major problem. I am not understanding their draft this year at all and neither is my friend who is an obnoxiously huge Pats fan.

So when they lose 55-45 in the playoffs, maybe they will get it. The Pats are not free of criticism. I don't think they have done a particularly stellar job with all those picks they had.

Agree with Hos, Browns have done a much better job.

Carry on ...

 

[bsheeern]

Their defense is a major problem. I am not understanding their draft this year at all and neither is my friend who is an obnoxiously huge Pats fan.

So when they lose 55-45 in the playoffs, maybe they will get it. The Pats are not free of criticism. I don't think they have done a particularly stellar job with all those picks they had.

Agree with Hos, Browns have done a much better job.

Carry on ...

Some fans are cOmplaining saying we wasted a 3rd on a guy who won't start day 1 but the pats use a 3rd on a guy who won't start for atleast 3 years unless Brady gets hurt or traded.

If we had drafted Mallett people would have crucified our FO. NE does it and it's good business.

Here's a fact. Patriots have had 2 times more draft picks than the jets over the last 4 drafts. Twice as many picks and the same amount of pro bowlers.

Seems like a ton of quanity without anymore quality....

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think the Browns did a lot better than the Patriots.

Agreed.

 

[burmafrd]

I've always been more impressed with the Patriot's ability to manipulate the draft than with their actual picks.

That is really what a lot of people admire. But you look over the last 5-6 years just what have they come up with? How many of the players have they taken since then that have gone to a Pro Bowl?

 

[Rogah]

That is really what a lot of people admire. But you look over the last 5-6 years just what have they come up with? How many of the players have they taken since then that have gone to a Pro Bowl?

I don't think that number of pro-bowlers is necessarily the best way to measure draft success, especially when talking about players so new to their careers.

I think the best measure is to simply try and figure out how many of those draft picks are with the team, and also how many are starters. I honestly don't know what the stats are for either team, but I would consider that a far better measure.

 

[VACowboy]

The NFL is about winning. The Pats win, so their methods are seen as the gold standard. Hard to argue.

I think, however, that Tom Brady has a lot more to do with the Pats' consistent success than overall superior personnel.

Mebbe that's BB's way. It's a QB-driven league, after all. And mebbe Ryan Mallett is the heir apparent in this model. I just know that I'm genuinely curious to see how the team does when Brady retires.

My humble opinion.

 

[Shinywalrus]

Hey guys, some guy on a message board masquerading around under the alias of RandyWhite, says the Patriots ain't that great in his mind.

Does anyone care?

What a hostile response to the OP.

Isn't this a message board for...uh...discussing stuff like that?

 

[burmafrd]

I don't think that number of pro-bowlers is necessarily the best way to measure draft success, especially when talking about players so new to their careers.

I think the best measure is to simply try and figure out how many of those draft picks are with the team, and also how many are starters. I honestly don't know what the stats are for either team, but I would consider that a far better measure.

The Panthers had more of their draft picks on their roster than any other team so frankly that measurement is not all that good. My point is that in the last 6 drafts how many stars have the Pats drafted? Compare that to drafts of around 99-04.

 

[Chuck 54]

I agree...even the media is slamming the Patriots for not coming away with players.

They are very successful at stockpiling draft picks into the future, but the depth of the two lines this year seemed the perfect time to cash a few of those in.

What good is it to continually have lots of picks in the first two rounds each year if you never use them?

I can only guess that they are sooo talented at every position that they refuse to select players who might not be able to contribute. At one point I was thinking they'll have all the ammunition they need to get Andrew Luck next year, but then they drafted Mallet, so I really have no idea what their plan is with the picks because they didn't use them this year, just converted them to next year again.

 

[Rogah]

The Panthers had more of their draft picks on their roster than any other team so frankly that measurement is not all that good.

Well, it depends. When you're talking about one of the worst teams in the league, then yes I admit that number of picks on the roster is not necessarily a good standard. But when you're talking about a perenial playoff team, one that went to the Super Bowl during the timeframe we're discussing here, it becomes a much better standard.

Besides, as another poster here pointed out, they've pretty much been the best team in football over the past decade. They're obviously doing something right.

 

[VACowboy]

Well, it depends. When you're talking about one of the worst teams in the league, then yes I admit that number of picks on the roster is not necessarily a good standard. But when you're talking about a perenial playoff team, one that went to the Super Bowl during the timeframe we're discussing here, it becomes a much better standard.

Why is there a difference? Every team has the same number of players, receives the same number of draft picks and has the same opportunity to improve via free agency, all under the same salary cap.

Besides, as another poster here pointed out, they've pretty much been the best team in football over the past decade. They're obviously doing something right.

They're having Tom Brady on their roster.

 

[Randy White]

Yeah and that's exactly what they do. I mean to come on and act like you know more about the draft than the Patriots is pretty freaking ridiculous. They're quite possibly the best drafting team in the NFL, but you know better? Ok..

Yea, that's right " OK ".. Oh wait, let me guess, you're another who likes to wait until 3 years from now to be critical of a draft..

All of the sudden, there are going to be alot of gimmesix clones showing up in this thread who wait patiently before criticizing anything..

Bottom line is that if you switch this Patriot's draft with the Cowboys' draft, Jerry Jones would be tarred and feathered in this place. Question is, would you be a hypocritical member the virtual lynch mob ?

 

[Randy White]

Because they got an undersized pass rusher who just got arrested and a guy who was suspended for the season?

and there's the answer to my question.

 

[Randy White]

Doesn't surprise me that you did. After all, you're the guy that just invoked the rarified "red-headed stepchild" analogy.

Did you wash your hand and sock before you started typing today ? Bet that keyboard is extra sticky by now.. Go back inside Cunningham backside and stay there. You're out of your element.