Thoughts on back up QB for this season....

[iceberg]

Why? Why would you start yet another thread about the backup QB spot. Now you've opened the door for all out war between two factions – the Romonians and the Hensonites.

oh yea, those are so difficult to start. say something that could be construed as posiitive about carter and watch the show. : )

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Has he really learned? Grooming Troy's replacement is alot different than having two nobodies back there.

Grooming Troy's replacement means drafting a solid college QB on the first day and letting him develop a year or two ... not two undrafted players and a baseball reject taken by the Jags in round 6.

Well that's the path you would take Eddie , maybe even the path I would take , but who says it's the right path ? Who says that you can't take a couple of "nobodies" , put them in the right situation , surround them with the right coaches and personnel , and shape them in to something with time ?

Look , these guys aren't stupid , and they know a lot more about their players than we do as fans . I have to believe they haven't passed up all the draft picks and free-agents over the last 3 years because they THINK one of the current backups can get it done . I have to believe they KNOW one of them can get it done . I just don't believe that a coach and an owner who have done this as long and as well as Parcells and Jones have could look at their ageing , immobile QB , shrug their shoulders and say well we'll just have to hope we can get by on him .

 

[austintodallas]

Why? Why would you start yet another thread about the backup QB spot. Now you've opened the door for all out war between two factions – the Romonians and the Hensonites.

Don't forget the Mroztecs.

 

[DLCassidy]

Lets assume for discussion's sake that this will be BP's last year and the team has been built for a legitimate playoff run. Question is, "what happens if Bledsoe gets hurt"? I don't think Jerry or Bill or both of them want to see this otherwise playoff caliber team scuttled by an inexperienced QB (didn't say not talented).

Ask yourself this,"what would I do if Bledsoe was hurt now"? Would you go get Kerry Collins? The more I think about it I think we would, now I understand the drawbacks with Collins but he is probably the most experience QB out there and he has proven himself capable in spots but has lacked consistency.

I don't see us carrying four QB's on the final roster so that leaves Henson and Romo to battle for a third spot with the Cowboys bringing in an experienced veteran. The longer the 'boys wait to come to this conclusion the greater chance Collins will be gone when we come calling. I think they need to go get him and make it plain that this training camp will be the showdown for Henson and Romo. I know there are logistic problems with this being a fair "show down" (number of snaps, starts in preseason etc...) but it must be done.

If the team was not as strong a contender in my eyes I wouldn't be saying this but it is and being caught without experienced back up, on this playoff cailber team, will be foolhardy. You would have to figure that either player, Henson or Romo, would be picked up by another team so they will be lost to us. This sucks but on the other hand its time to clearly select one over the other and get down the road. Henson's NFLE expeience this year should level the playing field, it may not be a perfect situation for either player but hey thats life, carpe diem.

This backup QB thing has to be without a doubt the most over discussed, overblown, over rated topic of all time. The fact is if your starting QB suffers a serious injury your team is D-O-N-E. A minor injury that keeps him out 2-3 games? It can be overcome, but the fact is your odds of winning those games goes way down simply because that QB hasn't been playing and generally speaking if he was really any good he WOULDN'T BE A BACKUP.

Before anyone jumps down my throat to disagree, let me throw out a few examples. How do you like Seattle's chances with Seneca Wallace under center? Pittsburgh with Charlie Batch? Indy with Jim Sorgi? Carolina with Chris Weinke? The Giants with Tim Hasselbeck? NE with Matt Cassel? Those were all playoff teams last year. Would ANY of those teams have made the playoffs if their starter suffered a major injury? Wouldn't you agree ALL of those team's would have had a much lower chance of winning games in which the backup started, even if it was a minor injury? So why is this point debated and discussed AD NAUSEUM?

 

[Doomsday101]

This backup QB thing has to be without a doubt the most over discussed, overblown, over rated topic of all time. The fact is if your starting QB suffers a serious injury your team is D-O-N-E. A minor injury that keeps him out 2-3 games? It can be overcome, but the fact is your odds of winning those games goes way down simply because that QB hasn't been playing and generally speaking if he was really any good he WOULDN'T BE A BACKUP.

Before anyone jumps down my throat to disagree, let me throw out a few examples. How do you like Seattle's chances with Seneca Wallace under center? Pittsburgh with Charlie Batch? Indy with Jim Sorgi? Carolina with Chris Weinke? The Giants with Tim Hasselbeck? NE with Matt Cassel? Those were all playoff teams last year. Would ANY of those teams have made the playoffs if their starter suffered a major injury? Wouldn't you agree ALL of those team's would have had a much lower chance of winning games in which the backup started, even if it was a minor injury? So why is this point debated and discussed AD NAUSEUM?

Then again had Trent Green not gotten hurt Kurt Warner may not have been given the opportunity. Odds are your right if Bledsoe were to go down for several game we could be in trouble on the other hand it could also open the door for a player that none of us are sure about.

 

[Angus]

Cassidy, why don't you use a more on-point example: sixth round Brady for first round, experienced Bledsoe?

 

[MossBurner]

As a Commanders fan, the last player I would want for the Cowboys to pick up right now would be a quality, veteran, backup QB (like Collins).

If I were a Cowboys fan, having that kind of security would make me feel much better about my team's chances this season. Homo and Renson could not lead this team to or through the playoffs. Bledsoe/Collins might be able to.

 

[DLCassidy]

Cassidy, why don't you use a more on-point example: sixth round Brady for first round, experienced Bledsoe?

1) how many Brady's have we seen in the history of this league?

2) if a late round draft pick that had never played is your example what's the problem with our present situation? Or are you saying Bill Bellichick knew Brady was going to be a superstar? (and I guess he knows Matt Cassell is going to be great also since he's the current backup )

 

[DLCassidy]

Then again had Trent Green not gotten hurt Kurt Warner may not have been given the opportunity. Odds are your right if Bledsoe were to go down for several game we could be in trouble on the other hand it could also open the door for a player that none of us are sure about.

True. Tony Romo/Drew Henson could both become good players. But the point is the backup QB is not an issue to spend gobbs of time worrying about. Talking about developing a starter is a different issue.

 

[Doomsday101]

True. Tony Romo/Drew Henson could both become good players. But the point is the backup QB is not an issue to spend gobbs of time worrying about. Talking about developing a starter is a different issue.

I agree with you and as you mentioned the vast majority of the teams in the NFL could ill afford to lose their starting QB for any real lenght of time.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I agree with you and as you mentioned the vast majority of the teams in the NFL could ill afford to lose their starting QB for any real lenght of time.

Make it almost any team with a real set Starting QB can afford to lose those starting QB and make any good push to playoffs or to winning games. Until their backup proves to be a good one.

Some might point out Jaguars, but the backup has proven to be inffective in Playoff appearance.

 

[Doomsday101]

Make it almost any team with a real set Starting QB can afford to lose those starting QB and make any good push to playoffs or to winning games. Until their backup proves to be a good one.

Some might point out Jaguars, but the backup has proven to be inffective in Playoff appearance.

Just stating some are a bit better off than others. Tampa did well when Simms had to come in. However I feel that it why it is important for a team to be balanced and do not become totally reliant on the QB position. Teams who can run the ball will fair better when they lose their QB than the teams who rely so much on the play of the starting QB.

 

[Angus]

Answering Cassidy:

(1) a few: Johnny Unitas; Kurt Warner; Bart Starr; Trent Green . . .

(2) No problem. Parcells and Ireland know what they are doing, even if Jerry Jones doesn't. Bellicheck knew enough about Brady that he didn't think it was necessary to bring in a so-so veteran quarterback to disrupt Brady's progress during training camp. His patience paid off. Parcells' will, too, I expect.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Just stating some are a bit better off than others. Tampa did well when Simms had to come in. However I feel that it why it is important for a team to be balanced and do not become totally reliant on the QB position. Teams who can run the ball will fair better when they lose their QB than the teams who rely so much on the play of the starting QB.

Like I said, if a team has sollid starter for most part they are mostly doomed if they lose the starter, especially ones with playoff aspirations. Tampa realistically when they started season, were not favored to go to Playoffs, besides Simms is not exactly bad option, he was bad during his first few starts, but really proved he belonged once he got extended chance.

I guess people need to realize almost all QBs look bad on their first start or first few mostly. I just don't understand this we need a another crappy backup Old QB, just because he played well years ago, although he stinks right now. I am guessing some of these people didn't watch Kerry Collins play last year or how bad he was with Oakland.

I guess some feel somehow coming to Dallas they automatically can regain their old form?

 

[aikemirv]

In a league that can barely field 32 competent QB's, we would be hard pressed to find a QB that could take us deep into the playoffs. That guy should be starting on one of the other poor QB teams.

If I was Collins, I would not come to Dallas if I wanted to play.

If Bledsoe were to go down, would BP be on the phone to VT that evening?

 

[Doomsday101]

Like I said, if a team has sollid starter for most part they are mostly doomed if they lose the starter, especially ones with playoff aspirations. Tampa realistically when they started season, were not favored to go to Playoffs, besides Simms is not exactly bad option, he was bad during his first few starts, but really proved he belonged once he got extended chance.

I guess people need to realize almost all QBs look bad on their first start or first few mostly. I just don't understand this we need a another crappy backup Old QB, just because he played well years ago, although he stinks right now. I am guessing some of these people didn't watch Kerry Collins play last year or how bad he was with Oakland.

I guess some feel somehow coming to Dallas they automatically can regain their old form?

I agree.

 

[Angus]

If Carver could drive that other team's bus to the playoffs, I think Romo (or even Henson) could take this team there if necessary.

 

[superpunk]

I just don't understand this we need a another crappy backup Old QB, just because he played well years ago, although he stinks right now. I am guessing some of these people didn't watch Kerry Collins play last year or how bad he was with Oakland.

Ditto.

Collins had "arguably" more talent around him in Oakland than he would here (depending on your own personal opinion of Jerry Porter and LaMont Jordan), and he was dreadful. Apparently they had some unwritten law where if hehad the ball for more than 4 seconds he would just heave it out of bounds. He underthrew Moss more times than can be counted. Leave him alone.

 

[Doomsday101]

In a league that can barely field 32 competent QB's, we would be hard pressed to find a QB that could take us deep into the playoffs. That guy should be starting on one of the other poor QB teams.

If I was Collins, I would not come to Dallas if I wanted to play.

If Bledsoe were to go down, would BP be on the phone to VT that evening?

I doubt it because I don't think this team is being build soley around the QB. I think Bill wants a team who can run the ball with consistantcy and a defense that will make plays to help you win games and keep you in the game.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Answering Cassidy:

(1) a few: Johnny Unitas; Kurt Warner; Bart Starr; Trent Green . . .

(2) No problem. Parcells and Ireland know what they are doing, even if Jerry Jones doesn't. Bellicheck knew enough about Brady that he didn't think it was necessary to bring in a so-so veteran quarterback to disrupt Brady's progress during training camp. His patience paid off. Parcells' will, too, I expect.

I do agree that there are examples of young QBs coming in and playing well. Favre did it with Majikowski (sp?), Roath did it in Pittsburgh, Everybody knows the Brady story. System and circumstances have so much to do with success of QBs in the NFL. I agree that patients are important but I will tell you that I do not believe in developing two young QBs at the same time. I think that it is time we make a decision on Romo and Henson. One or the other IMO. We need an experienced back up QB. If Bledsoe goes down, for a period of 4 to 5 games, in our division, we would be done. All teams are two close right now. If we lost Bledsoe for the season, we would probably finish the string but if the injury were a few games, an experienced back up could mean the difference in making the playoffs and going home. JMO.