Thoughts on Livings and Bernadeau so far

[jnday]

Considering I didn't expect much at all from Livings, I'm happy he has been solid. And he has been solid, making few mistakes. (The knock on him in Cincinnati wasn't that he couldn't play, but simply that he didn't play with any consistency, and he has been consistently solid.)

That doesn't mean I don't want studs all across the line, but Dallas didn't ask me what I wanted.

Right now, knowing Dallas isn't going to turn around and replace a bunch of linemen next year, I could live with Livings keeping his place next to Smith and the Cowboys working elsewhere on the line to improve.

You make a good point Dallas may not replace any of them. They take the attitude that if you look at them long enough, you will learn to love them. This will result in a other year of having a mess in front of Romo.

 

[Chuck 54]

Tackles have been our biggest problem, and the thought that either needs help is depressing; smith is a top prospect LT who was given a year at RT...he has a season in the NFL under his belt and should be doing better at this point.

Free is an experienced OT who has played RT, then LT, now back to RT and is earning starters pay as a left tackle?

We knew the inside might struggle, especially with all the injuries that kept them from playing together in the preseason. Then 3 games with a reject center walking in and starting.

We needed the OTs to at least get the job done.

 

[Risen Star]

Considering I didn't expect much at all from Livings, I'm happy he has been solid. And he has been solid, making few mistakes. (The knock on him in Cincinnati wasn't that he couldn't play, but simply that he didn't play with any consistency, and he has been consistently solid.)

That doesn't mean I don't want studs all across the line, but Dallas didn't ask me what I wanted.

Right now, knowing Dallas isn't going to turn around and replace a bunch of linemen next year, I could live with Livings keeping his place next to Smith and the Cowboys working elsewhere on the line to improve.

I agree we can't replace all 4 in one offseason and that Livings is the most solid to keep for next year. But I would hope all 4 are gone off the roster within two years.

I just can't sit here and praise Nate Livings for being better than slop like Bernadeau, Costa and Free. Livings is Montrae Holland. He's a stopgap until you can upgrade the position.

That's just the way I see it.

 

[Risen Star]

Tackles have been our biggest problem, and the thought that either needs help is depressing; smith is a top prospect LT who was given a year at RT...he has a season in the NFL under his belt and should be doing better at this point.

Why should a 21 year old first time LT in the NFL be doing better than decent his first 5 games at the position? Because you want him to?

I'd say he's doing well all things considered and is on the fast track to being a perennial pro bowler in years to come.

 

[gimmesix]

Livings is Montrae Holland. He's a stopgap until you can upgrade the position.

I don't disagree with that comparison, and happen to think we can win with someone like Holland or Livings being the weakest link on the line.

Unfortunately, Livings is not the weakest link, and Holland isn't here because a) he can't keep himself healthy (in shape) enough to play more than a few games and b) in spite of that, he made demands when Dallas brought him in for a roster tryout.

 

[KB1122]

Brian Waters?

 

[jterrell]

Free 61 out of 68.
Smith 48 out of 68 (nice jump for him, he was lower than Free at one point).
Bern is 67 out of 72.
Livings is 19 out of 72.
Cook is 18 out of 35.

I'm guessing that Costa does not have enough snaps to rate as of right now.

much appreciated.

 

[jterrell]

Why should a 21 year old first time LT in the NFL be doing better than decent his first 5 games at the position? Because you want him to?

I'd say he's doing well all things considered and is on the fast track to being a perennial pro bowler in years to come.

You are killing me with these terrible, illogical posts.

You have a wacky OL fetish and won;t see anything resembling reality.

Tyron Smith was flat terrible the first few weeks. TERRIBLE. He lead the league in sacks allowed AND penalties. PFF has nothing to do with it other than quantifying just how badly he was sucking.

This is a guy we drafted at 9th overall and who has over a season starting experience.

To his credit he has been markedly better the last couple weeks and does have phenomenal upside but he hasn't come close to outplaying Livings who is so far and away our best run blocking OL that any other opinion renders that person helplessly clueless and fake.

Our OTs have been dreadful. Free has now caught Smith for penalty abuse and is right on his heels in sacks allowed. Those two guys have been bad. Free has been bad every game and Smith was awful in a couple games.

Bern was just as bad as those two through 4 weeks but he costs 1.75million and zero draft pick.

Again, this team MUST get out of players what it invests in dollars and draft picks.

This team runs behind Livings when it needs yards. It may use him to trap or to simply power straight ahead but that is where they run.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

23 million dollars is quite a bit to spend on placeholders. Reminds me of the Scandrick deal..

Someone has zero notion of how the contracts are structured.