Thoughts on The Joker being recast in BATMAN 3

[DallasEast]

Honestly, I don't want Joker to reappear. I think he is the most overrated Batman villain. My problem with the Joker is that he takes over any Batman story or film. The entire plot has to revolve around the Joker. You will see the typical joke venom/gas, traps and clown gadgets. The plots essentially focus on evil clown themes with Batman as a side show. I like the Joker but one film is enough. There are several nice Batman villains that could be explored like Bane, Clayface, Ventriloquist, Soloman Grundy, etc. I personally would love to see someone make a trilogy of Batman Knightfall and Knightsend in which Bane breaks Bruce Wayne's back and he is replaced by Azrael who is eventually taken down by the returning Bruce Wayne.

The last thing I want to see are villain team-ups; that's what ruined the last Batman films. Just my 2 cents.

I totally disagree about The Joker. His character is one of the most legendary of all comic book personalities--both hero and villain alike. He is a psychopath's psychopath, who's only true threat is someone who can counter his hideously evil plots by any means necessary, yet justifiably. He's the perfect enemy for Batman. And if that means that he'll receive more face time, so be it.

IMO, the downfall of the original Batman sequels was overacting and poor directing, plus the plots were too fanciful. Nolan kept his first film grounded by reducing the number of outlandish landscapes common in the films which preceded his. If not for the elevated train, the entire film would've been devoid of elements not uncommon in many nonfiction based movies--with the exception of Arkham Asylum sets (sp?), that is, and I cut him some slack for those. I've seen too many comic book adaptations with sets and scenery which are more outlandish than those drawn in the comics themselves. That has never made sense to me, ever.

Josh Lucas would be great. The problem with Reynolds is that he is genuinely funny just like Jim Carrey. It will be difficult to fear them. You need someone who can intimidate you first. The Joker is not meant to be funny. The Joker is meant to terrorize you. The Joker is supposed to someone who isn't funny but finds himself to be hilarious. He is psychotic. If he is too funny then it takes away from that element. When Jack Nicholson played him, I laughed and found the portrayal endearing but that wasn't the same Joker I read about in the Killing Joke written by Alan Moore.

I think Johnny Depp is the most overrated actor in Hollywood today. He is not a great actor. He overacts in all his roles. What is Depp does is perform not act. He comes accross as being fake and over-the-top in all of his roles. When I watch a Johnn-Depp character, I never forget the actor playing him is Johnny Depp. If Depp plays the Joker, he will just do his best to ham it up instead of being subtle and becoming the character. A good actor is someone like Gary Oldman who blends in with his characters, and you forget who the actor is who is playing him. And I'm not a big fan of Matthew M., he still has that Texan lisp and drawl in his speech; he still can't enunciate words properly. Matthew still has that frat boy jock image still; I can't take seriously as an intelligent and sophisticated actor.

The truth is, I would rather take my chances with some unknowns. There are brilliant stage actors that don't get their chance because of guys like Depp and Matthew M. being recycled.

I would agree with you about the Carrey/Reynolds comparison if you're infering Carrey's portrayal of The Riddler. That was way over-the-top and was too similar to how he played The Mask.

However, I put that nonsense firmly at the feet of the director, producers and the studio behind the movie. Carrey could have played The Riddler more seriously and subdued, but that's not what the director and everyone else wanted. They wanted a goofy Carrey to recreate the 60's television version of The Riddler (I forget the actor). It was totally unnecessary since the character had evolved from being a criminal baffoon years ago. They wanted Carrey to deliver a comedy routine to increase the marketability and sales of the movie. He did that, but who's really to blame? Not Carrey, imo.

I disagree about Depp. Whereas, his Edward Scissorhands temporarily made me forget the actor behind the character, Oldman didn't do the same with Dracula. Heck, during Air Force One, while he was using the same Transylvanian accent, I kept wondering to myself if Oldman would ask Selena Ward (sp?) whether it would be okay for him to drink her blood! lol!

I doubt very much that DD-L would take a role like that.

Agreed. I seriously doubt Day-Lewis will ever allow himself to come close to accepting a comic book role. His track record indicates that he'll continue playing critically acclaimed dramatic roles, both fictional and nonfictional, yet mainstream.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Josh Lucas would be great. The problem with Reynolds is that he is genuinely funny just like Jim Carrey. It will be difficult to fear them. You need someone who can intimidate you first. The Joker is not meant to be funny. The Joker is meant to terrorize you. The Joker is supposed to someone who isn't funny but finds himself to be hilarious. He is psychotic. If he is too funny then it takes away from that element. When Jack Nicholson played him, I laughed and found the portrayal endearing but that wasn't the same Joker I read about in the Killing Joke written by Alan Moore.

I think Johnny Depp is the most overrated actor in Hollywood today. He is not a great actor. He overacts in all his roles. What is Depp does is perform not act. He comes accross as being fake and over-the-top in all of his roles. When I watch a Johnn-Depp character, I never forget the actor playing him is Johnny Depp. If Depp plays the Joker, he will just do his best to ham it up instead of being subtle and becoming the character. A good actor is someone like Gary Oldman who blends in with his characters, and you forget who the actor is who is playing him. And I'm not a big fan of Matthew M., he still has that Texan lisp and drawl in his speech; he still can't enunciate words properly. Matthew still has that frat boy jock image still; I can't take seriously as an intelligent and sophisticated actor.

The truth is, I would rather take my chances with some unknowns. There are brilliant stage actors that don't get their chance because of guys like Depp and Matthew M. being recycled.

I don't think depp is over rated. I think he is a wonderfully talented actor.

However I do agree with you about Oldman. The man is a master and can transform to so many different characters without missing a beat.

 

[Duane]

I don't think depp is over rated. I think he is a wonderfully talented actor.

However I do agree with you about Oldman. The man is a master and can transform to so many different characters without missing a beat.

Off topic but I stood about two foot away from Oldman 12 years ago on a tram going up to the ski resort in Vail. He was a lot shorter than I thought he would be.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Off topic but I stood about two foot away from Oldman 12 years ago on a tram going up to the ski resort in Vail. He was a lot shorter than I thought he would be.

Did you ask him if it was white boy day?:laugh2:

Loved him as drexel the pimp in true romance.

 

[Crown Royal]

I'm not a fan of recasting major characters. I was a fan of continuing the character - it's a nice change from each movie being a new showcase for a new villain. Makes it less about the villain and more about the title.

Idk - we'll see what happens after I've seen this movie.

 

[Mavs Man]

Did you ask him if it was white boy day?:laugh2:

Loved him as drexel the pimp in true romance.

:laugh2:

Yeah, great flick.