Three reasons the Cowboys lost that haven't had as much press

[Rockport]

Anyone have a gif or a link to a shot of that actual penalty? I was so incredulous at the time, and Fox's coverage of the game-turning play so bad, that I didn't even see an isolation of it. How legitimate was the hold? Blatant? Obvious? Sufficient? Ticky-tacky?

I'd like to see that too. It cost us the game.

 

[Doomsday]

Tyron Smiths call was why we lost that game pretty much and I can't see us ever getting a favor like that from the officials.

Those kinds of holds happen all the time. I don't know how many times i've seen Demarcus Ware get tackled to the ground and it wasn't called.

The only reason the ref called it was because of the situation. Otherwise it would've been a no call. Especially from a side judge.

I disagree, he blatantly tugged the defender toward himself. It was obvious and stupid. Again that is why you take a knee, so that stuff cant happen. What coach wouldnt take 30 seconds with your opponent pinned back at their 20 at best? We didnt need 3 points, we needed to kill the clock, JG should know that by now.

 

[Future]

That Barron play is a bad example. It was one of the most blatant holds imaginable.

I never really thought it was as blatant as others, but I won't deny that it actually was a hold.

The point is, on game deciding plays, refs need to put their flags away a bit. Throughout the game they let certain holding and PI calls go, so why would you call them on the last possession of the game for a team?

 

[Future]

I'd like to see that too. It cost us the game.

I don't have a clip, but basically, when Tanner tried to get the corner, Tyron grabbed the shoulder pad. It was a hold, no different than any other hold, and the same thing gets missed on a game to game, if not drive to drive, penalty.

Was it a hold? Yes. Should it have been called? NO.

 

[DogFace]

Yup and that play was EXACTLY like the one where the refs met and picked up the flag against the Lions earlier in the game.

Not exactly. Scandrick was actually looking back for the ball and made no contact with his arm as the lions defender did.
Unreal.

 

[Staubacher]

Not exactly. Scandrick was actually looking back for the ball and made no contact with his arm as the lions defender did.
Unreal.

We really seem to have the worst luck/timing w officiating.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But if you miss it you give them great field position with 30 seconds left and only needing a FG to tie (if the penalty hadn't happened). The safer bet would have been to punt the ball and make them go 50 yards in a minimum amount of time with no time outs.....

You give them 9 more yards then they would have had anyway. How is that all that much different? I'd rather give them the 9 yards and leave them with around 30 seconds then 1.24 or whatever it was.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes, but the game situation would have been completely different in that case. If the play is stopped at the LOS and there is no holding called, the game clock would run down to less than 30 seconds before we snap it. If we decide to kick a 53 yard field goal and miss, the Lions get the ball at their 43 with probably a little more than 20 seconds left. They are 20 yards from field goal range to tie. That's one pass and a spike away, or a couple of sideline passes away. In that scenario, I don't think Garrett risks the field goal. I'd bet he would have punted and put them much further away from the tying field goal.

I like our chances of holding them better with the 30 seconds then I do with the 1.24 and if you make it, it doesn't matter about a FG from them because they have to get a TD and they can only throw to certain areas of the field because of the TO situation. We already know what the outcome is with more time on the clock.

 

[honyock]

Y

I like our chances of holding them better with the 30 seconds then I do with the 1.24 and if you make it, it doesn't matter about a FG from them because they have to get a TD and they can only throw to certain areas of the field because of the TO situation. We already know what the outcome is with more time on the clock.

Yeah, we just see this differently. If we had run the clock down below 30 seconds, I want to put them as far away as possible and not risk a miss from 53 yards making it a much shorter field for them.

 

[khiladi]

I know a loss is like the one yesterday is an accumulation of mistakes and bad plays, however, these three bothered me A LOT:

• Tyron Smith's holding call was an absolutely bone-heading play that didn't need to happen -- these guys have to keep their wits and understand the situation
• Scandrick getting burned by a journeyman WR like Durham in the last minute for the most critical play of that drive
• The defensive line just standing around on the 1 yard line when Stafford lunged for the winning TD. He is quote from PFT on the play "But in the split-second before Lions center Dominic Raiola snapped him the ball, Stafford noticed that the Cowboys’ defensive linemen weren’t getting down into their stances. That made Stafford think if he just lunged forward, he could stick the ball over the goal line before the Cowboys realized it had happened."

Well Sturm makes a case that Tyron coul have held because it was force fed into him to play for the FG, which the hold didn't impact if I remember correctly..

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well Sturm makes a case that Tyron coul have held because it was force fed into him to play for the FG, which the hold didn't impact if I remember correctly..

That's my point. Bailey hit that thing dead on and it would have been good from 60, looked like. JMO.

 

[honyock]

I don't have a clip, but basically, when Tanner tried to get the corner, Tyron grabbed the shoulder pad. It was a hold, no different than any other hold, and the same thing gets missed on a game to game, if not drive to drive, penalty.

Was it a hold? Yes. Should it have been called? NO.

Whether it gets missed all the time has nothing to do with it. You're really arguing that even thought the ref saw it this time, he should have ignored it.

I'd agree with you if Tanner had gone down in the scrum initially for no gain/gain of a yard or two. At that point Smith had a handful of his guys jersey but he was in good blocking position and driving his guy towards the sideline, and if THAT had been called, it would have been ticky-tack. I think if that had happened, the ref wouldn't have made the call. Whatever was going on with Smith was minor and incidental to the play.

But when Tanner cut back and Smiths guy tried to break free, that's when it got more obvious/blatant. If the ref had kept it in his pocket at that point, he was ignoring an obvious hold that put one team in better field goal position, with under two minutes in a three point game. You're arguing that he should have ignored that. As a fan, I wished the ref wouldn't have seen it. But when he saw it, the hold was too important to the play and to the possible outcome to NOT call it. As a Cowboys fan, it pains me to say that, but he made the correct judgement call to throw the flag in that situation.

 

[Wayne02]

There never should have been a flag thrown on Tyron in the first place. Was it a hold, probably, but at that time of the game, with the implications of a hold, ref needs to put the flag away.

Its almost the exact same thing as the call on Barron in the Commanders opener. Tony threw the game winning TD to Roy Williams but they called the hold. You don't call it is such important parts of the game.

^^^^This is a ridiculous post.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I know a loss is like the one yesterday is an accumulation of mistakes and bad plays, however, these three bothered me A LOT:

• Tyron Smith's holding call was an absolutely bone-heading play that didn't need to happen -- these guys have to keep their wits and understand the situation
• Scandrick getting burned by a journeyman WR like Durham in the last minute for the most critical play of that drive
• The defensive line just standing around on the 1 yard line when Stafford lunged for the winning TD. He is quote from PFT on the play "But in the split-second before Lions center Dominic Raiola snapped him the ball, Stafford noticed that the Cowboys’ defensive linemen weren’t getting down into their stances. That made Stafford think if he just lunged forward, he could stick the ball over the goal line before the Cowboys realized it had happened."

Our offense not capitalizing on the turnovers should be on that list.

In actuality there are so much blame to go around in this game. Even Romo should be blamed for throwing the ball away while he should be chewing some time off the clock in our 2nd to last possession. Some like to blame the defense. Some also like to blame the offense. Some blame the coaching. But this was an all around failure by everyone. Football is a team sport. The entire team is blamed for this lost.

 

[Kilyin]

Anyone have a gif or a link to a shot of that actual penalty? I was so incredulous at the time, and Fox's coverage of the game-turning play so bad, that I didn't even see an isolation of it. How legitimate was the hold? Blatant? Obvious? Sufficient? Ticky-tacky?

 

[ConstantReboot]

Whether it gets missed all the time has nothing to do with it. You're really arguing that even thought the ref saw it this time, he should have ignored it.

I'd agree with you if Tanner had gone down in the scrum initially for no gain/gain of a yard or two. At that point Smith had a handful of his guys jersey but he was in good blocking position and driving his guy towards the sideline, and if THAT had been called, it would have been ticky-tack. I think if that had happened, the ref wouldn't have made the call. Whatever was going on with Smith was minor and incidental to the play.

But when Tanner cut back and Smiths guy tried to break free, that's when it got more obvious/blatant. If the ref had kept it in his pocket at that point, he was ignoring an obvious hold that put one team in better field goal position, with under two minutes in a three point game. You're arguing that he should have ignored that. As a fan, I wished the ref wouldn't have seen it. But when he saw it, the hold was too important to the play and to the possible outcome to NOT call it. As a Cowboys fan, it pains me to say that, but he made the correct judgement call to throw the flag in that situation.

The hold was the right call. Tanner should not have bounced it to the outside and ran a safe play inside. If that would have been the case then it would have been gave over and we run the clock down. Tanner should not have bounced it outside. Other things could have happened like fumbling or running it out of bounds.

 

[dupree89]

We play stupid.

This is not a sarcastic post, this is a legit question. I agree with your above statement.
Now, who do we blame?

 

[CapnCook]

Four turnovers, and the offense has managed to turn that into a 13-7 lead. That's got to be on the list.

 

[phildadon86]

My question is, why not just kneel the ball? No risk of a penalty by the 3rd kneel down they get the ball back with 20 seconds. Would that not of been a more viable option then say, taking out your starters and hoping for your back up RBs to make a play?

 

[Idgit]

Yep. That's a hold, allright. Gah! That just boils my blood.