Time to look back at our 2003 draft class

[Rockytop6]

Last year, Newman was injured and he also made some mistakes but he is one of the top CBs in the league. He deserves an A and gets one in my book.

 

[FolsomCowboy]

2004 Draft

This has the markings of a "Jerry bust" draft but unfortunately we can only blame this one on BP. The 2nd and 3rd rd busts really hurt this year, possibly cost this team a SB berth

1. Traded to Buffalo
2a. Julius Jones Solid B (Would be higher but for injuries and crappy Oline play)
2b. Jacob Rogers F(Huge Bust, as big as any of Jerry's)
3. Stephen Peterman F(Another huge bust)
4. Bruce Thornton F(Looks like a player, for another frikkin team)
5. Sean Ryan D(Hasnt done much)
7a. Nathan Jones C( 7th rounder with decent special teams play)
7b. Patrick Crayton B+(Looks to have a future, great bargain for a 7th rder)
7c. Jacques Reeves B+(Shows some skills and is improving)

 

[BigDFan5]

2004 Draft

This has the markings of a "Jerry bust" draft but unfortunately we can only blame this one on BP. The 2nd and 3rd rd busts really hurt this year, possibly cost this team a SB berth

1. Traded to Buffalo
2a. Julius Jones Solid B (Would be higher but for injuries and crappy Oline play)
2b. Jacob Rogers F(Huge Bust, as big as any of Jerry's)
3. Stephen Peterman F(Another huge bust)
4. Bruce Thornton F(Looks like a player, for another frikkin team)
5. Sean Ryan D(Hasnt done much)
7a. Nathan Jones C( 7th rounder with decent special teams play)
7b. Patrick Crayton B+(Looks to have a future, great bargain for a 7th rder)
7c. Jacques Reeves B+(Shows some skills and is improving)

Peterman is a huge bust because he couldnt get time from 2 former pro bowlers in his first season?

 

[JPM]

Peterson is a huge bust because he couldnt get time from 2 former pro bowlers in his first season?

I think you mean Peterman, but I agree. He was hurt his first year, and I'd like to see him on the field before I call him a bust.

 

[BigDFan5]

I think you mean Peterman, but I agree. He was hurt his first year, and I'd like to see him on the field before I call him a bust.

I did mean Peterman D'OH

 

[AsthmaField]

I won't call Peterman a bust just yet. He couldn't get Larry Allen off the field as a second year player coming off IR from his rookie season.

I watched him in college and he's a mean, mauler who really fits what Parcells wants in an offensive lineman. I still think he has a real good chance of being a good player. Parcells just left him at LG and Allen didn't get hurt... that's why he didn't see the field.

Give him a little more time.

 

[sago1]

List of poor drafts during those years doesn't surprise me. What makes it even more of as disaster was that our drafts between 94-99 weren't much better (only players still with team are Allen, Ellis & Dat). Don't forget that Larry Lacewell headed scouting department and was Jerry Jones' man until he was retired (pushed out?).

When Ireland took over as head of scouting, he added some other scouts from outside the organization and it seemed like Parcells trusted their input when he and Jerry made their selections in 05. Heck, even our late round picks (Pettiti, Jay Ratliff & Beriaut helped/show promise). And what can we say about Ware, Spears, Canty & Marion Barber; even Burnett coming in last 3-4 games before he put on IR.

Colishaw (sp?) even gave us an "A" at draft time, first I've ever seen from him; then gave us an "A" as end of year grade for rookie production. I think it was GBN who also gave us grade of overall A at end of season, but gotta to recheck that.

 

[FolsomCowboy]

He could not see the field at RG either and Rivera was hurt. So is PEterman only a LG? Seems like he has marginal talent at best if he can only man one guard spot and a PS player dresses out before he does.

 

[AbeBeta]

2004 Draft

This has the markings of a "Jerry bust" draft but unfortunately we can only blame this one on BP. The 2nd and 3rd rd busts really hurt this year, possibly cost this team a SB berth

1. Traded to Buffalo
2a. Julius Jones Solid B (Would be higher but for injuries and crappy Oline play)
2b. Jacob Rogers F(Huge Bust, as big as any of Jerry's)
3. Stephen Peterman F(Another huge bust)
4. Bruce Thornton F(Looks like a player, for another frikkin team)
5. Sean Ryan D(Hasnt done much)
7a. Nathan Jones C( 7th rounder with decent special teams play)
7b. Patrick Crayton B+(Looks to have a future, great bargain for a 7th rder)
7c. Jacques Reeves B+(Shows some skills and is improving)

Still a little early on this one -- and lets realize that we were drafting later in each round that in the other 2 BP drafts and that the trade down got us Spears. Jerry would have traded UP to get Kevin Jones.

What really saves this draft is the value we got in the 7th. Peterman may turn the corner still. I see Thornton every week -- he is just another guy.

 

[DLCassidy]

He could not see the field at RG either and Rivera was hurt. So is PEterman only a LG? Seems like he has marginal talent at best if he can only man one guard spot and a PS player dresses out before he does.

Yeah, that still confuses me. BP said he lacked "versatility" which is why he wasn't considered for the week Rivera was out. Excuse me? What does this mean? Are the responsibilities at RG that much different than LG? In today's league you need guys that can play multiple positions, especially a back up guard. Here's a guy that had only dressed once in two years and now here comes a chance to play and he's out of the running because he's only a LG? Not a good sign at all IMO.

 

[wileedog]

He could not see the field at RG either and Rivera was hurt. So is PEterman only a LG? Seems like he has marginal talent at best if he can only man one guard spot and a PS player dresses out before he does.

Why would you transition a (techinically) first year player to a new position when you have Gurode who played there all last year?

 

[FolsomCowboy]

Why would you transition a (techinically) first year player to a new position when you have Gurode who played there all last year?

"He moved to right guard during the spring and played there in 2003 after starting 25 games over the previous two seasons at left guard "

Looks like Peterman has played both sides.

As for why would you do it,that didnt seem to be an issue when they transitioned Rogers to RT his first year.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Remember, Peterman had ankle surgery after the year was over... I wonder if that didn't hamper him quite a bit. With a Parcells team we'll never know much about injuries, but if it's serious enough to need surgery, it's more than just a little sprain.

Oh, and I give the 2003 class a solid A. Anytime two of the best players on the team come from one class, that's pretty good.

 

[wileedog]

"He moved to right guard during the spring and played there in 2003 after starting 25 games over the previous two seasons at left guard "

Looks like Peterman has played both sides.

OK, which doesn't really answer the question of why you would throw a 1st year player out there over a 3 year veteran.

As for why would you do it,that didnt seem to be an issue when they transitioned Rogers to RT his first year.

Because Flo played LT. They didn't practice Peterman a lick at RG because they had just spent $$$ on Rivera and had Gurode to back up.

To just decide on Wednesday to throw Peterman on the right side for a game on Saturday when you have Gurode there already is silly.

Now if Gurode went down in the that game and Peterman still didn't get in then I think you'd have a better argument.

 

[FolsomCowboy]

I see, so you would activate Cory Proctor, a converted rookie Tackle to backup Gurode who is replacing Rivera but not Peterman, yes it makes sense now...heh

 

[wileedog]

I see, so you would activate Cory Proctor, a converted rookie Tackle to backup Gurode who is replacing Rivera but not Peterman, yes it makes sense now...heh

Who said Proctor was the main backup for Gurode?

And if Proctor had spent the entire season practicing at RG, then maybe I would.

 

[FolsomCowboy]

Who said Proctor was the main backup for Gurode?

And if Proctor had spent the entire season practicing at RG, then maybe I would.

He was signed off the Lions Practice Squad November 30th, and he was activated before Peterman. Peterman cant sniff the field period.

 

[GoCowboysGo]

...and I think Dat’s legacy in Dallas will be a solid one years after his retirement.

Prophetic!

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Peterman should be the main back up at both guard positions by now. Just like Tucker was being used as the "swing" tackle before Flo got injured.

Keep in mind that Parcells called him a one dimensional player, that is a liability in pass protection. Perhaps this is why he has yet to take a snap in regular season. I don't think that Parcells is real high on this guy, or he would have played by now. And how do you injure your ankle that severely if you hardly ever dress for the game?

A couple of years ago, Parcells got pissed at Gurode and out of the blue started Ryan Tucker, who he had demoted, at right guard. So there is a precedence of moving a player to a different position on a weeks notice.

 

[GoCowboysGo]

T. Newman...round 1 pick 5...C
A. Johnson...round 2 pick 38...D-
J. Witten...round 3 pick 69...A
B. James...round 4 pick 103...C-
J. Tucker...round 6 pick 178...D
Z. Smith...round 6 pick 186...C
J. Bates...round 7 pick 219...D