Time to rebuild this OL

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If we're going to keep Garrett and his archaic offense, we must invest some valuable resources again to rebuild the OL.

Clearly a lot of this will depend on the health of Frederick, even to some extent Tyron Smith health, I'm not sold on Connor Williams at this point.

We should resign Flemming as the swing tackle, and find better guard depth than Marcus Martin.
 
The OLine is so hard to put my finger on.

Martin is great at RG. That's clear.

Frederick is a great C with more impact then I ever appreciated, but will he be ready for 2019? I can't claim to understand his illness but my impression is that it's very unpredictable in terms of symptoms taking random times to go away and then showing up again 1, 5, 25 years later. Who knows?

Behind him at C we have Looney who I now feel confident in saying is pretty good for a backup but he's not the guy you want starting 16 games on a run-first offense. Sp again we come back to the question of Frederick's availability moving forward.

Our best LG is probably playing RT at the moment, so our next best options are Sua-Filo and Williams. Williams usually gets beat physically and not mentally, and it's well documented that he needs an offseason training program. I feel good about it but there's no guarantee he develops in the offseason. Sua-Filo seems like a good backup to me, not a starter.

So that about covers the interior. I'd feel really good if Frederick returns to normal, Martin continues at RG, Williams develops his size and strength, and Looney and Sua-Filo stay on for depth. I'd feel bad if Frederick can't go and Williams can't grow. It'll probably play out somewhere in the middle but I can't predict where, not yet.

Outside, you've got La'el and Smith. Tyron has longterm health questions and holds some but overall I think he's still gotta be the plan at LT.

I wish they'd swap Collins and Williams right now and spend all offseason training that way but they wont. I don't feel great about Collins at RT but not bad either.

My gut says Frederick will be fine and Williams will improve enough to not be the early season liability he appeared to be. If he bulks up enough to surpass "good enough" in offseason then excellent but otherwise I think his best play is still a year away, which shouldn't be too big of a surprise for a rookie. I think Smith continues right about where he is but he'll look better next year with better and more stable play beside him all year. I think Collins also holds mostly steady.

I think the OLine is a strength of the team next year but not a dominant unit as it recently has been. With our low draft slots and bills to pay elsewhere I don't see us making a move this offseason that could feasibly improve that projection.
 
If we're going to keep Garrett and his archaic offense, we must invest some valuable resources again to rebuild the OL.

Clearly a lot of this will depend on the health of Frederick, even to some extent Tyron Smith health, I'm not sold on Connor Williams at this point.

We should resign Flemming as the swing tackle, and find better guard depth than Marcus Martin.

Frederick is the key. If he gets back 100% then we are back in business. I like Williams as a rookie. He will be a very good player going forward.
Collins is a weakness and Smith is the clearly the biggest concern. If we keep all our backups and Frederick comes back then I like our line a lot.

Only think I could think of would be to sign a stud guard in and move around the line.
 
Agree with everybody about Tfred,he is the key.If the FO feels he cant back to his previous form then they need a need Center.I would also try out Williams at RT.
 
If we're going to keep Garrett and his archaic offense, we must invest some valuable resources again to rebuild the OL.

Clearly a lot of this will depend on the health of Frederick, even to some extent Tyron Smith health, I'm not sold on Connor Williams at this point.

We should resign Flemming as the swing tackle, and find better guard depth than Marcus Martin.

I've been harping on OL in the 2nd and 3rd Rounds this year than sign a Free Agent TE such as Cameron Brate and if healthy and price is right Earl Thomas at Safety
 
I don't think they need to rebuild. Freddy back next year and off season strength development fro Williams will be a good upgrade. Fleming, Looney and Sua-Filo need to be retained.
 
Rebuild too strong a word. We just drafted Williams, Martin is a beast, and Collins is what he is but probably should stick around. Obviously Frederick is a huge question mark. If he can recover then that’s 4 out of 5 spots. Smith is obviously not what he used to be, and his salary is pretty high, but replacing the left tackle is probably the second biggest decision a team could make as far as players go (to the QB obviuosy). Wouldn’t take that lightly.
 
We don't need to rebuild the oline. We need help in other areas like safety, defensive line but oline is not a need.

This, that is why we got trucked by Mack and Anderson, because no resources at DT. They pushed those guys around like they were high school players.
 
If we're going to keep Garrett and his archaic offense, we must invest some valuable resources again to rebuild the OL.

Clearly a lot of this will depend on the health of Frederick, even to some extent Tyron Smith health, I'm not sold on Connor Williams at this point.

We should resign Flemming as the swing tackle, and find better guard depth than Marcus Martin.
Like you said, a lot depends on Frederick, but if he comes back guard depth automatically improves by having Looney available.
 
We forget that the o line coach was fired mid season. I think Colombo needs a full off season and training camp to get everyone back on the same page. Hopefully a healthy Frederick comes back. Maybe Collins improves under Colombo.

The pieces are there. I just think they need a little bit of tweaking. Maybe alter the scheme a bit to better fit the guys they got.
 
If we're going to keep Garrett and his archaic offense, we must invest some valuable resources again to rebuild the OL.

Clearly a lot of this will depend on the health of Frederick, even to some extent Tyron Smith health, I'm not sold on Connor Williams at this point.

We should resign Flemming as the swing tackle, and find better guard depth than Marcus Martin.


More offensive lineman???? ....dang came pretty evident we need a mean a@@ DT in yesterdays game....right???
Next there going to be posting here soon we need a good back up to Zeke also....
Just continue to gear the team to make up for the fact we have a mediocre QB who need more Cap dollars invested to the offense....Think it would be much cheaper to get ourselves a new QB....
 
More offensive lineman???? ....dang came pretty evident we need a mean a@@ DT in yesterdays game....right???
Next there going to be posting here soon we need a good back up to Zeke also....
Just continue to gear the team to make up for the fact we have a mediocre QB who need more Cap dollars invested to the offense....Think it would be much cheaper to get ourselves a new QB....

Read the title of the thread. Nobody said the D-Line didn’t need help too, that just wasn’t the topic of the thread.
 
Read the title of the thread. Nobody said the D-Line didn’t need help too, that just wasn’t the topic of the thread.

Read the thread and once again we're all here reading how we need more off lineman....why is that to protect who?..... as Zeke did fine with the one we have?
 

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