Time travellers from the future 'could be here in weeks'

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By Roger Highfield, Science Editor

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1.21 gigawatts of electricity: Michael J Fox and Christopher Lloyd in the De Lorean time machine from Back to the Future


The first time travellers from the future could materialise on Earth within a few weeks.

Physicists around the world are excitedly awaiting the start up of the £4.65 billion Large Hadron Collider, LHC - the most powerful atom-smasher ever built - which is supposed to shed new light on the particles and forces at work in the cosmos and reproduce conditions that date to near the Big Bang of creation.

Prof Irina Aref'eva and Dr Igor Volovich, mathematical physicists at the Steklov Mathematical Institute in Moscow believe that the vast experiment at CERN, the European particle physics centre near Geneva in Switzerland, may turn out to be the world's first time machine, reports New Scientist.
The debut in early summer could provide a landmark because travelling into the past is only possible - if it is possible at all - as far back as the point of creation of the first time machine.
That means 2008 could become "Year Zero" for temporal travel, they argue.
Time travel was born when Albert Einstein's colleague, Kurt Gödel, used Einstein's theory of relativity to show that travel into the past was possible.

Ever since he unveiled this idea in 1949, eminent physicists have argued against time travel because it undermines ideas of cause and effect to create paradoxes: a time traveller could go back to kill his grandfather so that he is never born in the first place.
But, sixty years later, there is still no fundamental reason why time travellers cannot put historians out of business.
But the Russians argue that when the energies of the LHC are concentrated into a subatomic particle - a trillionth the size of a mosquito - they can do strange things to the fabric of the universe, which is a blend of space and time that scientists called spacetime.

While Earth's gravity produces gentle distortions in spacetime the LHC energy can distort time so much that it loops back on itself. These loops are known to physicists as "closed timelike curves" and they ought, at least in theory, to allow us to revisit some past moment.

The scheme chimes with one laid out in 1988, when Prof Kip Thorne and colleagues at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, showed that wormholes, or tunnels through spacetime, would allow time travel, a scheme popularised by Carl Sagan in his novel - made into a film - Contact.
Prof Aref'eva and Dr Volovich believe the LHC could create wormholes and so allow a form of time travel. "We realised that closed timelike curves and wormholes could also be a result of collisions of particles," Prof Aref'eva says.

There are still plenty of obstacles for the likes of Dr Who, however. Not least of them is the fact that these are mini wormholes, so only subatomic particles are small enough to travel through them.

They tell The Daily Telegraph that whether subatomic time travel in the LHC would open the doors for human scale time travellers "is a deep and interesting question" but stress that "these problems, and many others as well, require further investigations."
Probably the best we can hope for is that the LHC may show a signature of the wormholes' existence, Dr Volovich says. If some of the energy from collisions in the LHC goes missing, it could be because the collisions created particles that have travelled into a wormhole and through time.
One sticking point until now for wormhole concepts is finding an exotic kind of material capable of keeping the maw of the wormhole open for time travel.

Dark energy - a mysterious antigravity force that is thought to pervade the universe - could, they say, be just what is needed to keep the entrance to a wormhole open, at least according to one family of ideas about its nature, where it is called phantom energy.

If a blend of colliding particles and phantom energy does create a wormhole in Geneva this year, an advanced civilisation could find it in their history books, pinpoint the moment, and take advantage of their technology to pay us a visit.

"The observational evidence still allows for phantom energy," says Robert Caldwell, a physicist at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire. "As for Aref'eva and Volovich's speculation that the LHC will produce the stuff of time machines - ugh!"

A leading scientist who believes that time travel may be possible, Prof David Deutsch of Oxford University, comments: "It's speculative in the extreme, but not cranky. For various reasons I don't think the mechanism they propose would work (i.e. provide a pathway for messages from the future) even if their speculations are true."

Dr Brian Cox of the University of Manchester adds: "The energies of billions of cosmic rays that have been hitting the Earth's atmosphere for five billion years far exceed those we will create at the LHC, so by this logic time travellers should be here already. If these wormholes appear I will personally eat the hat I was given for my first birthday before I received it."



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/02/06/scitime106.xml
 
I better make vacuum the house.
 
I really doubt it is possible. If it was someone in the future would have already have done it and Hitler, etc would not have happened. Now they claim that you cannot go back farther then when the first time machine is built- how can they KNOW that? BS.
SOme say any changes made would be a parallel reality= etc. I just frankly doubt its possible at all.
 
Cajuncowboy;1945921 said:
:lmao:

I wonder how much money was wasted on this.

There is more to this machine than the time travel aspect. That's just one quirky angle that this writer chose to highlight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

It's research that could potentially enhance our ability to travel in space and could lead to alternative energy sources.
 
PosterChild;1945904 said:
Very interesting. I'll come back yesterday to discuss this.

I know I won't be traveling to the future... if I do, I'd be rich by now.

burmafrd;1946170 said:
I really doubt it is possible. If it was someone in the future would have already have done it and Hitler, etc would not have happened. Now they claim that you cannot go back farther then when the first time machine is built- how can they KNOW that? BS.
SOme say any changes made would be a parallel reality= etc. I just frankly doubt its possible at all.

Do yourself a favor... pick up a dictionary and look up the word "Paradox".
 
That thing scares the crap out of me. It was nice knowin' you guys.
 
If these 'time travellers' hurry up nd get here maybe they will tell us who we drafted.

:lmao:
 
big dog cowboy;1946344 said:
If these 'time travellers' hurry up nd get here maybe they will tell us who we drafted.

:lmao:

I'd rather them go back and tell Crayton to keep running on that last pass in to the endzone. :mad:
 
Yeagermeister;1946368 said:
I'd rather them go back and tell Crayton to keep running on that last pass in to the endzone. :mad:

:laugh2:

and put stickum on Jackie Smith's hands.
 
Actually the alternative reality arguement is the one that supposedly takes care of the paradox arguement. Or the one about you cannot go back to any farther then when you built the machine- which frankly is ridiculous.
The whole thing is a joke.
 
Sweet! I'm totally going to come back in time and kick my own *** for doing all of the stupid things that I do. Like opening this thread. :D
 
I know this story is not supposed to be too serious about the function of the LHC. Just fun with physics type stuff since time travel is not anywhere near the top priority of this project.

So let me add that if time travel is possible, I don't see how it would be limited to when a time machine was built. Even if it were limited to that, then the LHC still doesn't qualify. While the LHC may end up offering a sort of time travel machine for small particles, it would not be a time machine for larger objects or people. Seems like a true limit would be based on a time machine that could actually transport people through the vastness of time.
 

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