Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time

[Cowboy Brian]

By the numbers, I feel that the case can be made that Tom Brady is now the greatest QB of all time, and I would certainly agree with that statement. Thought? Do you think he deserves to be in the conversation now, has he dethroned Joe Montana as the mainstream claimant to the title?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I honestly don't believe he was better than Peyton.

He had a better supporting cast, not only on defense, but with the HC as well.

I think outside of Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James, Peyton made his receivers and O-Linemen great more than anything else.

I would also probably throw in Joe Montana as well because he was flawless in Super Bowls (Brady wasn't even flawless in this game). Although Joe had an incredible supporting cast.

Then you could make a case for Otto Graham, but I never got to watch him play.





YR

 

[Rogah]

I would also probably throw in Joe Montana as well because he was flawless in Super Bowls (Brady wasn't even flawless in this game). Although Joe had an incredible supporting cast.

Montana played in a day and age when the NFCCG was the true Super Bowl and the game he played 2 weeks later was just an exhibition.

This is one of the all time great QB performances in Super Bowl history. I don't care if he threw a pair of picks. What he did to that defense, one of the greatest ever, was historic.

 

[Blackspider214]

Brady had a better cast than Peyton? Wow. Brady's cast was junk his first 3 Super Bowls. He made Deion Branch a Super Bowl MVP. Think about that.

Look at what he had this year. 2 very undersized WRs.

Peyton has had Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Welker, Dem Thomas, Edgerrin James and others.

Brady is light years ahead of Peyton.

Peyton is one of the most overrated sports players we have. Can't stand him at all and relish every single playoff failure he has.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

John Elway is the greatest I've seen play.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

I honestly don't believe he was better than Peyton.

In comparing TB vs PM in the playoffs, how do you make that conclusion?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

No Brady isnt the GOAT. All this talk about how he has never had anything to work with is nonsense. He has always had an OL that gives him time and he always seems to have open receivers to throw to. That is NOT "having nothing to work with." Most NFL caliber QB's could hit the passes he makes. On the few occasions where he has gotten pressure over the years, even normal NFL pressure, he is very average at best.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Montana played in a day and age when the NFCCG was the true Super Bowl and the game he played 2 weeks later was just an exhibition.

This is one of the all time great QB performances in Super Bowl history. I don't care if he threw a pair of picks. What he did to that defense, one of the greatest ever, was historic.

I would care that he threw picks. And the Seattle defense was badly banged up.

Had Seattle won and not made that awful decision, there would be plenty of talk about Brady's 2 picks (although Belichick not calling a timeout should have been the bigger story had Seattle scored).





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

In comparing TB vs PM in the playoffs, how do you make that conclusion?

I didn't. I'm comparing them overall because you have to get to the playoffs first in order to get into that discussion. Although the last time they faced each other....Peyton was the better QB in the playoffs.

I feel Brady has just had more help around him. I think he's one of the all time greats, but Peyton was basically the O-Coordinator for him teams. I think his offenses may have ran 3 legitimate trick plays his entire career. And he had Dungy as his HC, who was there solely to create a defense for Peyton, and really failed to do that. Without Peyton, the perennial division winner Colts went 2-14. Without Brady, the Patriots went 11-5.

If I had to, in a playoff game, I would take Brady over Peyton. But, I would have loved to have seen Peyton with a coaching staff and top tier defense around him.



YR

 

[khiladi]

Brady was throwing to receivers underneath all day which is basically how their offense works.

His numbers compared to past QBs is because of the rules. They pick a lot and block when the ball is in the air, but they do it quickly so they get away with it. Spread offenses also didn't work well in the previously's era. Denver also does it as pointed out by Wade. This blocking in the air was actually called once against the Pats in the SB.

There is a reason WRs can be replaced in the Pats offense and Brady still finds them. They are open cause of the scheming and rules. It's not because Brady somehow finds them, it's because they are open to begin with.
Brady is not a great QB when he starts getting put on the ground. His First INT just shows it when the rush comes.

Plus Seattle's defense was totally banged up. Sherman you get tell had trouble extending to tackle on some of the RACs. Last year, Seattle shut down the short passing game of the Broncos when healthy.

Plus, Brady is a cheat.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

I dont think there will ever be a QB better than Joe Montana. Period. So no, Brady can just play sloppy seconds.

 

[LandryFan]

Montana played in a day and age when the NFCCG was the true Super Bowl and the game he played 2 weeks later was just an exhibition.

This is one of the all time great QB performances in Super Bowl history. I don't care if he threw a pair of picks. What he did to that defense, one of the greatest ever, was historic.

I think your "soft spot" for Brady/Pats has turned onto a "hard-on".

 

[BAZ]

TB has time to win another one so you have to put him in the conversation, but really these things just boil down to preference.

 

[camelboy]

People should stop trying to pick this or that as the GREATEST of all time…it is apple to oranges…different era, different rules, different teams (more/less) .. there is a group of the greatest QBs and all other positions and yes Brady qualifies as one of them …

 

[perrykemp]

Brady has earned the right to be part of the QB GOAT conversation. Isn't that all that matters?

Other than WR with Jerry Rice there are very few crystal clear GOATs.

With RB for example you have the Emmitt vs Jim Brown vs even sometimes Barry arguement.

Brady vs Montana vs Otto Grahm vs whoever else -- all of them are legit choices.

 

[Phoenix]

In the never ending GOAT discussions on this topic, I always stick with Otto.

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/memorial/browns/graham.html




Otto Graham, the Hall of Fame quarterback who led the Cleveland Browns to a championship game in every season he played, died Wednesday December 17 in Sarasota, FL. He was 82.

Graham who was diagnosed with the early stages of Alzheimer's disease in 2001, was taken to Sarasota Memorial Hospital earlier in the day with a tear in his aorta, the same heart condition that killed actor John Ritter, said his son, Duey Graham.

Nicknamed "Automatic Otto," Graham never missed a game as a pro while passing for 23,584 yards and 174 touchdowns. He finished his career with an astounding 105-17-4 regular-season record.

He took coach Paul Brown's teams to the title game in each season from 1946-1955. "That's hard to beat," said Sammy Baugh, a contemporary of Graham's and also a Hall of Famer.

With Graham as their quarterback, the Browns won four championships in the old All-America Football Conference and three NFL titles. He was MVP of the AAFC three times.

"The test of a quarterback is where his team finishes," Paul Brown once said. "By that standard, Otto Graham was the best of all time."

In 1994, Graham was picked for the NFL's 75th anniversary team, joining quarterbacks Baugh, Johnny Unitas and Joe Montana.

 

[CyberB0b]

I honestly don't believe he was better than Peyton.

He had a better supporting cast, not only on defense, but with the HC as well.

I think outside of Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James, Peyton made his receivers and O-Linemen great more than anything else.

I would also probably throw in Joe Montana as well because he was flawless in Super Bowls (Brady wasn't even flawless in this game). Although Joe had an incredible supporting cast.

Then you could make a case for Otto Graham, but I never got to watch him play.





YR

Hahahaha. I think you're the only person in history who has claimed Brady had more weapons than Manning throughout the years.

 

[bark]

Well we knew this thread was coming

 

[Shunpike]

Brady is good but you can't deny the huge coaching advantage he has. Brady without Bellichick wouldn't win 4 SB's.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I honestly don't believe he was better than Peyton.

He had a better supporting cast, not only on defense, but with the HC as well.

I think outside of Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James, Peyton made his receivers and O-Linemen great more than anything else.

I would also probably throw in Joe Montana as well because he was flawless in Super Bowls (Brady wasn't even flawless in this game). Although Joe had an incredible supporting cast.

Then you could make a case for Otto Graham, but I never got to watch him play.





YR

Peyton is a choker. Blame the team around him all you want.
I don't hear Brady making those bs excuses when loses.
He just takes his team and wins.

With that said. He is not better than Montana.

Montana is the greatest of all time. Not Favre, Marino, Manning, Elway or any other QB.