Tom Brady/NE Postseason

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Saw this stat. More proof that Brady is NOT the best QB ever.

NE's postseason record when Brady has a QBR UNDER 70......... 8-4. Yep they win twice as often as they lose when Brady stinks.
Yet Romo can lose a playoff game with a QBR over 100 and he is a choker.
 
The truth is that QBs that get great results played on great teams. Casual fans put everything on the QB, but it's really not. To dominate teams need to be solid organizations with strong rosters top to bottom. Brady is no different. But using your logic, most of the great QBs go out the window too, making it kind of a meaningless argument.

Staubach had the Doomsday defense, great weapons and one of the most innovative coaches of his era. Aikman played on great teams top to bottom, set up by Jimmy Johnson's great coaching. The Montana-Young 49ers were mega-talented through the 80s to the mid 90s and ran an offense nobody had seen before. The 70s Steelers had an incredible talent stockpile and lots of anabolic steroids. The list goes on and on. You can find plenty of clunker games that the historically great QBs had that their teams won anyway. Hell, Peyton Manning's 2 playoff runs were both garbage statistically and relied on defense as much as anything. But nobody makes deep playoff runs without a good team around them in the first place.

The Patriots have been the ONLY post-2000 team to field strong teams and have elite coaching basically every single season. Of course they won more titles, they got more shots at the playoffs than anybody. No organization understands how the 21st century NFL works better than they do.

The thing about Brady is that everyone wants to credit "the system" - but nobody else can execute that system like he can, can they? Otherwise everyone in the NFL would just copy it and everything would be equal again. But of course that doesn't happen. So it's back to being about Brady again. I hesitate to call him "Literally Best of All Time" too, but he's up there for sure.
 
Sorry man, put the stats aside.

If Brady wins this weekend he will be playing in his 7th Superbowl and have an opportunity to win his 5th.

I hate NE with a passion but I am compelled to acknowledge Brady at the greatest QB of all time -- at some point accomplishments have to matter.
 
A lot of it is a perfect storm for NE.

Good coach and good QB with the coach being the best coach of safeties in the world at a time when coaching safeties is very poor (Matt Bowen has commented on this as well). So it's created a huge advantage.

Combine that with playing in a division that includes the Jets, Dolphins and Bills, 3 joke organizations where the best QB they've competed against in the past 15 years is a toss-up between Chad Pennington or Ryan Tannehill. That gives them an easy 5-1 record each year and guarantees them a playoff spot and greatly increases the likelihood of getting HFA in the playoffs.

Add their blatant cheating thru SpyGate set by their Brady's cheating in DeflateGate...it creates a great situation for them.

Then take this year for example where their potential opposing QB's in the playoffs were:

Matt Moore
Connor Cook
Brock Osweiler
Alex Smith
Ben Roethlisberger

Meanwhile, our potential opposing QB's in the playoffs were:

Aaron Rodgers
Matthew Stafford
Eli Manning
Matt Ryan
Russell Wilson





YR
 
big dog cowboy said:
Cheater.
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In a league full of steriod cheats top to bottom, let's get mad about slightly softened footballs, which I'm sure make a huge difference.

:rolleyes:

(Brady plays Super Bowl with league supervised footballs, dunks on the best defense in football in the 4th quarter for the biggest comeback win in Super Bowl history, makes this whole idea look stupid.)
 
Yakuza Rich said:
A lot of it is a perfect storm for NE.

Good coach and good QB with the coach being the best coach of safeties in the world at a time when coaching safeties is very poor (Matt Bowen has commented on this as well). So it's created a huge advantage.

Combine that with playing in a division that includes the Jets, Dolphins and Bills, 3 joke organizations where the best QB they've competed against in the past 15 years is a toss-up between Chad Pennington or Ryan Tannehill. That gives them an easy 5-1 record each year and guarantees them a playoff spot and greatly increases the likelihood of getting HFA in the playoffs.

Add their blatant cheating thru SpyGate set by their Brady's cheating in DeflateGate...it creates a great situation for them.

Then take this year for example where their potential opposing QB's in the playoffs were:

Matt Moore
Connor Cook
Brock Osweiler
Alex Smith
Ben Roethlisberger

Meanwhile, our potential opposing QB's in the playoffs were:

Aaron Rodgers
Matthew Stafford
Eli Manning
Matt Ryan
Russell Wilson





YR
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The Bills BROKE the Patriots earlier this year, 17-0, in Foxboro. A dominating win.

Then the wheels fell off that franchise.
 
Stryker44 said:
The Bills BROKE the Patriots earlier this year, 17-0, in Foxboro. A dominating win.

Then the wheels fell off that franchise.
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It's hard to know when people are joking and when they are serious around here, but the Patriots were playing their 3rd string QB who had a broken thumb at the time. As a result they had 0 offense.
 
Stryker44 said:
The Bills BROKE the Patriots earlier this year, 17-0, in Foxboro. A dominating win.

Then the wheels fell off that franchise.
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With Jacoby Brissett as the QB for the Bills. They are a joke of a franchise that hasn't been to the playoffs since 1999. Their QB's over time have been Drew Bledsoe, Trent Edwards, JP Losman, Kelly Holcomb, Ryan Fitzpatrick, EJ Manuel, Kyle Orton and Tyrod Taylor.

The wheels have come off that franchise for a long, long time.


RH
 
Yakuza Rich said:
With Jacoby Brissett as the QB for the Bills. They are a joke of a franchise that hasn't been to the playoffs since 1999. Their QB's over time have been Drew Bledsoe, Trent Edwards, JP Losman, Kelly Holcomb, Ryan Fitzpatrick, EJ Manuel, Kyle Orton and Tyrod Taylor.

The wheels have come off that franchise for a long, long time.


RH
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How did Belichick get the Patriots to rebound from the loss so quickly? It was a devastating shutout at Foxboro.
 
Stryker44 said:
How did Belichick get the Patriots to rebound from the loss so quickly? It was a devastating shutout at Foxboro.
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Real devastating...you get a 3-1 start to the season and your starting QB is off suspension. And you know that the other 3 teams in your division aren't doing anything because they don't have the QB to compete.





YR
 
Let's try this again:

sean10mm said:
It's hard to know when people are joking and when they are serious around here, but the Patriots were playing their 3rd string QB who had a broken thumb at the time. As a result they had 0 offense.
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Actually I remembered wrong - he tore the ligament in the thumb in the Houston game, he didn't break it. Either way he couldn't throw like he did in the first game and was ineffective as a result. It was bad enough he went on IR and had surgery for it after the game.

Either way it wasn't a "devastating loss," it was seen as a temporary setback even at time.
 
Yakuza Rich said:
Real devastating...you get a 3-1 start to the season and your starting QB is off suspension. And you know that the other 3 teams in your division aren't doing anything because they don't have the QB to compete.





YR
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Right - but what adjustment did Belichick make that Rex Ryan did not?

If the Bills dominated in Foxboro, they should have been able to hold serve against the Pats at home, Brady or no Brady.
 
Stryker44 said:
Right - but what adjustment did Belichick make that Rex Ryan did not?

If the Bills dominated in Foxboro, they should have been able to hold serve against the Pats at home, Brady or no Brady.
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Mmmmkay.

Going from Jacoby Brissett to Tom Brady apparently isn't a difference maker.




YR
 
Teague31 said:
Saw this stat. More proof that Brady is NOT the best QB ever.

NE's postseason record when Brady has a QBR UNDER 70......... 8-4. Yep they win twice as often as they lose when Brady stinks.
Yet Romo can lose a playoff game with a QBR over 100 and he is a choker.
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Another example of how QBs often get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. It's the nature of the position, and most people are lazy so it's easy to just lump everything on the quarterback.
 
Shame nobody else is following the blueprint the Bills gave.

If you can beat New England at Foxboro by 16 with Gronkowski, the Steelers should be able to handle them without Gronkowski.

What gives? Belichick looks dry and boring. How does he inspire warriors of different races to go out and be willing to die for him?
 
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