Toney vs. Couture

[Rampage]

this ppv was terrible

 

[Ren]

That's like pitting Dez Bryant against some scrub baseball player in a hitting contest.

Dez isn't being limited to use his superior athleticism but I bet he'd lose miserably. (I actually don't know if Dez played baseball or not, that wasn't my point.)

Different rules, different worlds.

If you don't have even the basic skill set to survive under a specific set of rules, I don't know how you can make an honest comparison.

It's two completely different things. Each guy would win at his perspective sport unless a lucky haymaker says otherwise.

Toney was running his mouth about how much better fighters boxers where, not that they where better boxers which they obviously are. MMA is a great place to see who the better fighter is since unlike boxing you're not limited it any way from using your boxing. Boxing is good for seeing who the better boxer is. If as Toney claimed boxers where so much better fighters then it shouldn't have mattered that he was out of his element

 

[crazytown41]

that was a mockery

 

[Rampage]

BJ Penn is a quiter. If he doesn't come out dominating like he normally does he quits. p4p my ***

 

[Ren]

BJ Penn is a quiter. If he doesn't come out dominating like he normally does he quits. p4p my ***

I honestly thought we'd see him at his best for this fight yet he more passive then i've ever seen him :bang2:

 

[neosapien23]

That's like pitting Dez Bryant against some scrub baseball player in a hitting contest.

Dez isn't being limited to use his superior athleticism but I bet he'd lose miserably. (I actually don't know if Dez played baseball or not, that wasn't my point.)

Different rules, different worlds.

If you don't have even the basic skill set to survive under a specific set of rules, I don't know how you can make an honest comparison.

It's two completely different things. Each guy would win at his perspective sport unless a lucky haymaker says otherwise.

I see what your saying, but boxing is not close to being a real fight. Even MMA has rules that limit it from being a litmus test to seeing who is the best fighter such as no eye gouging, biting, or punching in the nads. I am not saying that would like to see MMA return to its no holds barred roots, but MMA is the closest thing to seeing someone test their skill set to see who is the better fighter. If Randy Couture fought James Toney in a bar 9 times out of 10 you see the same exact scenario play out. Randy Couture is a better fighter than James Toney period. Toney is a better boxer, but the argument that a professional boxer who stand a chance against a MMA fighter should be over.

 

[TheCount]

this ppv was terrible

I agree, it was a horrible card. The best fighter was Joe Lauzon and he was in the prelims, they ended up putting it on the PPV card though.

I used to be a big BJ fan but after last night, I can't stand him. It's one thing to go out on your shield, but he did basically the same crap he did last fight until it was too late. What a joke. He thoroughly embarrassed himself.

Toney is a better boxer, but the argument that a professional boxer who stand a chance against a MMA fighter should be over.

You should know better than that.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

That fight went exactly how anyone with any knowledge, at all, of the two sports knew it would go.

Boxers are just that. They're great at boxing but that doesn't make them great fighters. All it means is if they get into a fight with a meat head whose willing to do nothing but exchange punches then they'll have the upper hand to out class them.

However MMA translates much better, IMO, to a real life fight. 9/10 in a real life fight the thing is going to go to the ground, turn into a scuffle in that manner, and that's going to negate any boxing advantage a person might have over someone.

Boxers are great boxers, even great athletes, but MMA guys are far superior fighters and athletes.

This never should have even been in question, to be quite honest, but it's going to continue to be regardless cause Toney is an over the hill boxer who hasn't mattered in 10 years. Boxing fans, and other boxers, will use that to try and continue to fuel this silly debate that they're better fighters.

I thought Penn looked too cautious and timid but I give full credit to Edgar for that fact. He came out and beat Penn at his own stuff last time around and I think that got into BJ's head and Edgar used that to absolutely own him this time around.

Major props to Edgar for that. I'm really looking forward to him and Maynard when they fight. That should be a fun fight.

 

[zrinkill]

Boxing fans, and other boxers, will use that to try and continue to fuel this silly debate that they're better fighters.

Randy Couture is 47 years old, half a decade older than James Toney..... is what I will say back to them ....

 

[TheCount]

Boxers are just that. They're great at boxing but that doesn't make them great fighters. All it means is if they get into a fight with a meat head whose willing to do nothing but exchange punches then they'll have the upper hand to out class them.

However MMA translates much better, IMO, to a real life fight. 9/10 in a real life fight the thing is going to go to the ground, turn into a scuffle in that manner, and that's going to negate any boxing advantage a person might have over someone.

In a real fight you never want to go to the ground.

MMA fighting would be as bad as Boxing in a "real fight", where you might be outnumbered or someone could produce a weapon out of no where. All the BJJ or Wrestling in the world won't save you from a guy (or his friend) with a broken bottle or worse.

MMA Fighters are indeed better fighters in the sport sense (I don't know about better athletes), but I don't think either one translates better than the other to a street fight.

Something like Krav Maga (Yes, it does train for ground fighting as well) is much more attenuated towards real fighting situations, and the first option more often than not is to run away, not really an option in either MMA or Boxing.

 

[CATCH17]

this ppv was terrible

It sucked and I did pitch in on this PPV.


I guess BJ has lost all of his passion for fighting. He looked about as enthused as a terd on a log.

 

[CATCH17]

I honestly thought we'd see him at his best for this fight yet he more passive then i've ever seen him :bang2:

Yeah if he wanted to beat him he had to be relentless at trying to take him down.

He took Edgar down 1 time and the guy was wayyyyy slower just off 1 take down.

Thats all he had to do but he just let that little guy dance in front of him.


UFC PPV's are looking terrible until Brock fights again.

 

[Kevinicus]

Why do people bother with this boring sport? Especially PPV.

 

[neosapien23]

In a real fight you never want to go to the ground.

MMA fighting would be as bad as Boxing in a "real fight", where you might be outnumbered or someone could produce a weapon out of no where. All the BJJ or Wrestling in the world won't save you from a guy (or his friend) with a broken bottle or worse.

MMA Fighters are indeed better fighters in the sport sense (I don't know about better athletes), but I don't think either one translates better than the other to a street fight.

Something like Krav Maga (Yes, it does train for ground fighting as well) is much more attenuated towards real fighting situations, and the first option more often than not is to run away, not really an option in either MMA or Boxing.

Any combat training will translate to a street fight. If you or I get into a street fight with GSP or Anderson Silva they would hand us our *** even if we had weapons. Brazillian Jui Jutsu can be used to disarm a person who has a weapon. Wrestling can be used to take somone down even if they have a baseball bat. Even boxing would help in a street fight as boxers have way more punching power than the average person. I was in Iraq as a soldier in the 101st airborn division as a combat medic about 6 years ago. It doesn't get more combat effective than that but James Toney would beat the hell out of me in a street fight. MMA training absolutely helps in a street fight which is exactly why green berets trained under the gracies. Yes a gun, or chair, or knife changes the dynamic of a street fight, but someone who trains solely for the purpose of fighting will have the odds in their favor in a street fight.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Why do people bother with this boring sport? Especially PPV.

Why do people bother to assume because they find the sport boring that everyone should?