Tony Pollard participates in RB summit over market value

[khiladi]

Salary cap is a number set by the owners. They’ll never tell you what is really in their books regarding how much they are making.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Salary cap is a number set by the owners. They’ll never tell you what is really in their books regarding how much they are making.

The Salary Cap is a percent of revenues negotiated with the NFLPA.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Playing hurt is part of football.

This is the steaming matter that falls from a tall bull's butt.

He played with a knee injury and stayed on the field. Think that was the type of injury you play through? Think that might have affected his foot speed? Think that might have reduced his ability to play out his contract?

I'd like to say I find it amusing when people pound their chests and make these types of comments on message boards. But a waste of bandwidth coming from DIGITAL TESTOSTERONE further convinces me those who make them are clueless.

 

[HungryLion]

The Salary Cap is a percent of revenues negotiated with the NFLPA.

I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s some skimming off the top happening amongst the owners.

 

[KJJ]

This is the steaming matter that falls from a tall bull's butt.

He played with a knee injury and stayed on the field. Think that was the type of injury you play through? Think that might have affected his foot speed? Think that might have reduced his ability to play out his contract?

I'd like to say I find it amusing when people pound their chests and make these types of comments on message boards. But a waste of bandwidth coming from DIGITAL TESTOSTERONE further convinces me those who make them are clueless.

The team wouldn’t have put him out there if he couldn’t play. Of course the injury affected his play. Patrick Mahomes played with an injury in the playoffs and Super Bowl. It limited his effectiveness, but football players play with injuries, it’s part of what they do. You appear to be just looking for something to argue about. This was my original comment, and you’ve turned it into a big argument about injuries.

They can all blame Zeke for teams not wanting to pay RBs. His decline began a year after he got paid. Another issue is players are looking for guaranteed contracts these days. No one is going to guarantee a lot of money to an RB. By the time they’re 27 or 28 they’re already showing signs of decline.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

There’s a difference between playing hurt and being injured. Players play hurt all the time, it’s part of the game. There isn’t a player on the field that doesn’t have some ailment. Zeke’s playing time was being managed.

Due to lack of official information...we'll just have to disagree on the matter.

Yes of course SOME players play hurt/injured...whatever you wanna call it. And some don't. Mkay...fact.

I watched Zeke for more than 10 years. But of course he could never continue to match or surpass his epic 1st three NFL years. A "decline" was obviously expected.

It was obvious to me that playing injured had terrible consequences.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

This is the steaming matter that falls from a tall bull's butt.

He played with a knee injury and stayed on the field. Think that was the type of injury you play through? Think that might have affected his foot speed? Think that might have reduced his ability to play out his contract?

I'd like to say I find it amusing when people pound their chests and make these types of comments on message boards. But a waste of bandwidth coming from DIGITAL TESTOSTERONE further convinces me those who make them are clueless.

I guess i was to soft on that steaming pile of poo..
You said it bro. Have to be a real hater not to see it.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The team wouldn’t have put him out there if he couldn’t play. Of course the injury affected his play. Patrick Mahomes played with an injury in the playoffs and Super Bowl. It limited his effectiveness, but football players play with injuries, it’s part of what they do. You appear to be just looking for something to argue about. This was my original comment, and you’ve turned it into a big argument about injuries.

You implied that all players have and play through injuires. Some do some dont.
I pose neither one of us truly know the ins and outs of nfl medical staff and exec management.
But you did just admit mahomes played injured and it limited his performance.
A rb cant hobble around like he did.

 

[speedkilz88]

Pollard was on the Fan and said that he wasn't a part of the zoom call.

 

[KJJ]

You implied that all players have and play through injuires. Some do some dont.
I pose neither one of us truly know the ins and outs of nfl medical staff and exec management.
But you did just admit mahomes played injured and it limited his performance.
A rb cant hobble around like he did.

All players play through injuries. Like I said there isn’t a player on the field that doesn’t have some type of nick or ailment. I remember McCarthy talking about it. I know enough about the ins and outs of NFL football to know every player isn’t 100% healthy, especially during a 17 game season. An RB wouldn’t be able to play with the injury Mahomes had because all they do is run. KC doesn’t win the Super Bowl without Mahomes. There’s situations where players suck it up and play through injuries. because their team needs them. It comes down to the position a player plays what injuries they can play with.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

All players play through injuries. Like I said there isn’t a player on the field that doesn’t have some type of nick or ailment. I remember McCarthy talking about it. An RB wouldn’t be able to play with the injury Mahomes had because all they do is run. KC doesn’t win the Super Bowl without Mahomes. It comes down to the position a player plays what injuries they can play with.

I think we"re in the weeds here. Ive lost your point...sorry. Have a good day.

 

[KJJ]

Due to lack of official information...we'll just have to disagree on the matter.

Yes of course SOME players play hurt/injured...whatever you wanna call it. And some don't. Mkay...fact.

I watched Zeke for more than 10 years. But of course he could never continue to match or surpass his epic 1st three NFL years. A "decline" was obviously expected.

It was obvious to me that playing injured had terrible consequences.

The players that don’t play hurt/injured is because they can’t be effective, or it could develop into something more serious or long-term. That’s when it’s best to error on the side of caution and sit the player. It comes down to the position a player plays and the type of injury they have. There’s certain injuries that can linger all season, and a player just has to battle through it. Dak couldn’t play with a thumb injury, because he couldn’t grip the football. Mahomes was able to play with his injury, because it was a lower body injury that didn’t affect his ability to throw. Emmitt Smith played with numerous injuries during his career. Injuries and managing them are part of football.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The players that don’t play hurt/injured is because they can’t be effective, or it could develop into something more serious or long-term. That’s when it’s best to error on the side of caution and sit the player. It comes down to the position a player plays and the type of injury they have. There’s certain injuries that can linger all season, and a player just has to battle through it. Dak couldn’t play with a thumb injury, because he couldn’t grip the football. Mahomes was able to play with his injury, because it was a lower body injury that didn’t affect his ability to throw. Emmitt Smith played with numerous injuries during his career. Injuries and managing them are part of football.

Right.
So therefor... the "manager" could be right or wrong in managing the injuries.

 

[KJJ]

Right.
So therefor... the "manager" could be right or wrong in managing the injuries.

Players want to play and rarely does a player request they don’t play with an injury. It’s usually the coaches that say they’re not going to play. I remember later in the season when Mahomes first got injured, they showed a scene on the sidelines that was miked up, where Andy Reid said he was going to pull him and Mahomes argued and said he didn’t want to be pulled. Players want to play. They have goals they want to achieve and want to be out there. Every season in football comes down to having to manage injuries. Trainers are working on players every week to get them ready to play the following game.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Players want to play and rarely does a player request they don’t play with an injury. It’s usually the coaches that say they’re not going to play. I remember later in the season when Mahomes first got injured, they showed a scene on the sidelines that was miked up, where Andy Reid said he was going to pull him and Mahomes argued and said he didn’t want to be pulled. Players want to play. They have goals they want to achieve and want to be out there. Every season in football comes down to having to manage injuries. Trainers are working on players every week to get them ready to play the following game.

Exactly.
Not sure what disagreement we had. Other than i do think some players wont play injured more by choice than staff management. You dont.
no big deal.

 

[KJJ]

Exactly.
Not sure what disagreement we had. Other than i do think some players wont play injured more by choice than staff management. You dont.
no big deal.

You never hear about a player not wanting to play with an injury. It certainly isn’t going to help a player get a huge contract if they don’t want to play with an injury. Availability is a big thing to teams. Jerry moved on from some players because of their lack of availability. If a player insists they’re going to sit out until they’re 100% they won’t be playing football very long. The last thing players want to do is give their backup an opportunity or give the appearance they’re soft and can’t be depended on.

 

[Creeper]

I keep hearing people say RBs are undervalued and that they are not making the real money. Let me put things into perspective.

Bijan Robinson is 21 years old and a rookie. He got a $22 million deal by his team, all of it fully guaranteed. If you had a job that pays you $500k per year you would need to work for 44 years to earn what Bijan will make in 4. If his team picks up his 5th year he will likely make another $5 million to $10 million.

Even if his career lasts only 5 years he will still make enough money so he never has to work a day in his life after football. In fact, even if he blows out his knee in game 1 and never plays again, he still makes $22 million and never has to work again.

I get it. RBs don't get paid as much as QBs, WRs, CBs and pass rushers. But that is because of the law of supply and demand. There are plenty of RBs that can play at the pro level. The demand for them is not what it used to be. The equation is against them. But they are still making a boatload of money. More than 99% of the population of this country will not make $500k per year for 44 years. This situation is not unique to the NFL. Certain skills are sometimes in demand and those that possess them get paid a lot of money. When those skills are no longer needed, those same people make no money. RBs need to evolve or just accept the millions they are getting and be grateful.

 

[Cowboy_svt]

Dont forget about Gurleys deal either, that and zekes deal really killed the market imo