Tony Romo's Defenses In His Career

[SuspectCorner]

Outliers. That's it?
No giving Manning a ton of credit or..... Brees for that matter?

Ok, why couldn't we have been an outlier?ANSWER: Romo can't make a run in playoffs.

If you are realty, really honest ... He has gone 1 and done 3 times.
Detroit was putting nail in our coffin. Refs gave it to us,

I'll make you a deal. At the end of the next regular season - you can have ALL the playoff teams that finished in the bottom half in the area of overall team defense. Meanwhile, I will be saddled with those playoff teams that finished in the upper-half. The stakes? How about... ONE BILLION DOLLARS? Seriously tho', we'll make it a buck.

(BTW, Romo was in the midst of 'a run' in the playoffs when the replay refs in NY swiped Dallas' sixth Lombardi by over-ruling the call on the field on that game-winning catch by Dez Bryant. I guess you missed that one. And that's surprising because I thought ALL the Cowboys fans knew about that one. Oh, well. As for Detroit, any number of penalties could have been called on the play in question - and on both sides. Should have been offsetting penalties with a replay of the down. Irregardless, facing a fourth-and-one, Detroit chose to punt after their silly attempt to draw Dallas off-sides failed - and THAT is squarely on them. When facing fourth-and-long, Dallas reached for the brass ring and GOT IT in Romo-to-Witten version bajillion-point-oh. Therein lies the difference between Detroit and Dallas. One team had brass ones - the other team... paper mache. Best team won.)

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'll make you a deal. At the end of the next regular season - you can have ALL the playoff teams that finished in the bottom half in the area of overall team defense. Meanwhile, I will be saddled with those playoff teams that finished in the upper-half. The stakes? How about... ONE BILLION DOLLARS? Seriously tho', we'll make it a buck.

(BTW, Romo was in the midst of 'a run' in the playoffs when the replay refs in NY swiped Dallas' sixth Lombardi by over-ruling the call on the field on that game-winning catch by Dez Bryant. I guess you missed that one. And that's surprising because I thought ALL the Cowboys fans knew about that one. Oh, well. As for Detroit, any number of penalties could have been called on the play in question - and on both sides. Should have been offsetting penalties with a replay of the down. Irregardless, facing a fourth-and-one, Detroit chose to punt after their silly attempt to draw Dallas off-sides failed - and THAT is squarely on them. When facing fourth-and-long, Dallas reached for the brass ring and GOT IT in Romo-to-Witten version bajillion-point-oh. Therein lies the difference between Detroit and Dallas. One team had brass ones - the other team... paper mache. Best team won.)

1. It wasn't a catch
2. Shouldn't have been there. We lost to Detroit.


Look, I don't like any of this. Years and years of this. Don't like. AT ALL.
Expressing my view/opinion is just that.

I don't want to go with excuses or revisionist history.

Just want Romo to make that run.
Yes, things looked much better this year and yet a lot was the same. Very frustrating.

 

[percyhoward]

Yeah and.... ?


Lowest-Ranked Total D to Win Super Bowl

2011 Giants - 27th

2009 Saints - 25th

2001 Patriots - 24th

2006 Colts - 21st

Total yardage doesn't correlate to wins in the NFL. Take the Patriots off this list (they ranked 6th in points allowed) and replace them with the 07 Giants (who ranked 17th).

Now you've got the only four Super Bowl-winning defenses in 49 years that did not rank in the top 12 during the regular season. So it can happen, but there's no reason to expect it. You expect what's happened the other 45 times.

And none of those four would have won the SB without outstanding defensive performances in the playoffs. They all had games where they held the opposing QB to 30 points below his season rating, and they all held the opponent under 20 points per playoff game on average. Based on that last stat, these defense's level of play in the playoffs was the equivalent of a top 12 defense anyway.

Maybe if Dallas had squeaked into the playoffs in 2008, 2011-13, (with defenses that ranked 22nd on average) we'd have gotten lucky one of those years. I'm more inclined to wonder what would have happened if we'd had a good defense those years.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Total yardage doesn't correlate to wins in the NFL. Take the Patriots off this list (they ranked 6th in points allowed) and replace them with the 07 Giants (who ranked 17th).

Now you've got the only four Super Bowl-winning defenses in 49 years that did not rank in the top 12 during the regular season. So it can happen, but there's no reason to expect it. You expect what's happened the other 45 times.

And none of those four would have won the SB without outstanding defensive performances in the playoffs. They all had games where they held the opposing QB to 30 points below his season rating, and they all held the opponent under 20 points per playoff game on average. Based on that last stat, these defense's level of play in the playoffs was the equivalent of a top 12 defense anyway.

Maybe if Dallas had squeaked into the playoffs in 2008, 2011-13, (with defenses that ranked 22nd on average) we'd have gotten lucky one of those years. I'm more inclined to wonder what would have happened if we'd had a good defense those years.

I couldn't find the defensive rankings. Were the other 45 ranked 12th or better?


I am more inclined to wonder if we had Eli-like, Bree's-like or Flacco-like QB decisions if we win 1 or 2 Super Bowls. Leave the defense out of it for a second. Even though the thread is about Romo and defenses he has had. I reject the notion.

 

[percyhoward]

I couldn't find the defensive rankings. Were the other 45 ranked 12th or better?

Yep.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2014/opp.htm

Then keep hitting "previous season."

 

[DFWJC]

Sorry, but it's not about the body of work. It crunch tine. When it's time to be clutch. When it really, really counts.

Three years in a row? Win and you are in?



"Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunity(or 4 or 5)
To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment
Would you capture it or just let it slip?"

So, far it's a resounding NO!

You're just babbling...totally clueless.
You almost sound like those bozos that think it's a one on one game vs 22 on 22...or really more like 35 on 35 or so .

I'll give you the 2012 Washington game a few years ago as one being terrible. Not that Dallas had any remote business even being 8-7 going into that game...but whatever, you can have that if it gets you all warm and squishy.

But even just last year....lose or eliminated...game-winng drive and TD pass.
Playoffs this year...game winning pass and win
Green Bay ...game leading pass with 3 minutes left taken away.

Not to mention that at "crunch time" this guy has led his team to more game-winng drives than almost anyone during his career.

It's preposterous to make the small minded claims that you're making.
Come on!

 

[DFWJC]

I couldn't find the defensive rankings. Were the other 45 ranked 12th or better?


I am more inclined to wonder if we had Eli-like, Bree's-like or Flacco-like QB decisions if we win 1 or 2 Super Bowls. Leave the defense out of it for a second. Even though the thread is about Romo and defenses he has had. I reject the notion.

So now you think Dallas, with the teams we had, would won Super Bowls with Eli and Flacco?!
You have to take the whole season...you honestly just said that?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You're just babbling...totally clueless.
You almost sound like those bozos that think it's a one on one game vs 22 on 22...or really more like 35 on 35 or so .

I'll give you the 2012 Washington game a few years ago as one being terrible. Not that Dallas had any remote business even being 8-7 going into that game...but whatever, you can have that if it gets you all warm and squishy.

But even just last year....lose or eliminated...game-winng drive and TD pass.
Playoffs this year...game winning pass and win
Green Bay ...game leading pass with 3 minutes left taken away.

Not to mention that at "crunch time" this guy has led his team to more game-winng drives than almost anyone during his career.

It's preposterous to make the small minded claims that you're making.
Come on!

You realize if you "give me something" as you call it.... but disqualify it in the next sentence then you just don't want to see it.

Small minded. Let's go back in time. Whether they had "any remote business" or not.

3 win and you are in = out 3x

2006 Seattle
2007 ...13-3 one and done with a bye win
2008 .... 9-7
2009 ... Playoff win and lose to Vikings

I have listed facts.
You keep listing "had no business _______" stuff



So, in summary. No matter how you "excuse" things with whatever reason you want to... 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 were years where we could have done something? = 1-3 playoffs

2011, 2012, 2013 = loser go home 3x

2014 - a bs ref call from one and done again.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

So now you think Dallas, with the teams we had, would won Super Bowls with Eli and Flacco?!
You have to take the whole season...you honestly just said that?

Honesty had zero to do with it,

Facts!
Eli has made 2 full playoff runs.
Flacco made 1 full playoff run

 

[DFWJC]

Honesty had zero to do with it,

Facts!
Eli has made 2 full playoff runs.
Flacco made 1 full playoff run

You referenced earlier the 3 failed 8-8 playoffs.
My point was that you can't honestly think that if Flacco or Eli was Dallas QB those years, they would have been a playoff team.
More like 5-11 and not even in the picture.
IMO

I'm fine with calling this what it is....an irreparable disagreement.
You think Romo pretty much sucks and is why we have no Super Bowl in his time since 2006.
I don't.

That's fine.
UFC...uh mean, Red. Lol

 

[cej757]

Great stats, and chart to see this comparison.
I agree, defenses has held this team back many of times. But sometimes circumstances held this entire team back. Like dropped passes, fumbles, missed tackles. As well as some mistakes by Romo.

Yes Romo threw some bad picks, but if the defense didn't give up scores, he wouldn't be in a pressure situation as often as it seemed.
So, how many times did Romo bring us back to score, or have us in a position to win, only for the defense to lose it by not making a stop, or get that sack.
It works both ways, because it's a team effort.

A friend of mine contended for years, buying into that defense does not matter, just have a killer offense and out score your opponent. These past few years he's been changing his thinking, knowing how important a better than average defense can be.

I can think of plenty of games when Wade was here and even when Rob Ryan was here when the defense played it's tail off for 3 qts when the offense couldn't do a thing with multiple 3 and outs usually 3 straight In completed passes and kept sending the defense out there on short rest. Of course by the the time you get into the 4th qt the defense would be gassed.

Garrett and Romo never helped the defense out by running the ball or just doing whatever it tooked to pick up a first down to give the defense a breather. It was always all or nothing with those two guys running the offense.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Honesty had zero to do with it,

Facts!
Eli has made 2 full playoff runs.
Flacco made 1 full playoff run

Here's a fact - Eli's two playoff runs were the benefit of incredible dropped INT's - all time drops. (see Rodney Harrison, etc). The run is a combination of a multitude of things, performance, preparation, execution, coaching, weather, calls and some pure dumb luck. Wilson had a Super Bowl locked - and Brady had another loss pegged to his history. A year's worth of work, trying to do everything right, taking advantage of every opportunity and getting some breaks in the playoffs and in an instant it turned and goes down forever.

What about that is one players fault.

The "fact schtick" you employ along with the cliched "bottom line" false bravado on winning a Super Bowl is tiresome because it just ain't so.
The only facts we are left with is you're wrong. Doesn't' matter what you say from here on out because every knowledgeable football fan knows there are a hundred variables - the quarterback is just one. If you want to say Romo's part of that equation could've been better, that's fine and a fair point but everything else is just noise.

Sorry - I wish it wasn't true, I'd hoped you'd be right but those are the facts and you're gonna have to deal with it.

(Cue my shirt being ripped open)

 

[casmith07]

Here's a fact - Eli's two playoff runs were the benefit of incredible dropped INT's - all time drops. (see Rodney Harrison, etc). The run is a combination of a multitude of things, performance, preparation, execution, coaching, weather, calls and some pure dumb luck. Wilson had a Super Bowl locked - and Brady had another loss pegged to his history. A year's worth of work, trying to do everything right, taking advantage of every opportunity and getting some breaks in the playoffs and in an instant it turned and goes down forever.

What about that is one players fault.

The "fact schtick" you employ along with the cliched "bottom line" false bravado on winning a Super Bowl is tiresome because it just ain't so.
The only facts we are left with is you're wrong. Doesn't' matter what you say from here on out because every knowledgeable football fan knows there are a hundred variables - the quarterback is just one. If you want to say Romo's part of that equation could've been better, that's fine and a fair point but everything else is just noise.

Sorry - I wish it wasn't true, I'd hoped you'd be right but those are the facts and you're gonna have to deal with it.

(Cue my shirt being ripped open)

Burn.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You referenced earlier the 3 failed 8-8 playoffs.
My point was that you can't honestly think that if Flacco or Eli was Dallas QB those years, they would have been a playoff team.
More like 5-11 and not even in the picture.
IMO

I'm fine with calling this what it is....an irreparable disagreement.
You think Romo pretty much sucks and is why we have no Super Bowl in his time since 2006.
I don't.

That's fine.
UFC...uh mean, Red. Lol

I don't think he sucks. You will never, have never seen me post with that view.

You just post with great humor,

I never once said Romo sucks. I said he has cost us at the most inopportune times. He NOT the defense.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Here's a fact - Eli's two playoff runs were the benefit of incredible dropped INT's - all time drops. (see Rodney Harrison, etc). The run is a combination of a multitude of things, performance, preparation, execution, coaching, weather, calls and some pure dumb luck. Wilson had a Super Bowl locked - and Brady had another loss pegged to his history. A year's worth of work, trying to do everything right, taking advantage of every opportunity and getting some breaks in the playoffs and in an instant it turned and goes down forever.

What about that is one players fault.

The "fact schtick" you employ along with the cliched "bottom line" false bravado on winning a Super Bowl is tiresome because it just ain't so.
The only facts we are left with is you're wrong. Doesn't' matter what you say from here on out because every knowledgeable football fan knows there are a hundred variables - the quarterback is just one. If you want to say Romo's part of that equation could've been better, that's fine and a fair point but everything else is just noise.

Sorry - I wish it wasn't true, I'd hoped you'd be right but those are the facts and you're gonna have to deal with it.

(Cue my shirt being ripped open)

Here's a little kryptonite.

If what I posted was so wrong and not factual. Then why don't we have a deep playoff run in our resume or Super Bowl win.

Oh yeah, Romo. NOT the defense.
Ints from Romo.
Intentional grounding from Romo.
Fumbles from Romo.

Where oh where is Ms. Tessbacher when DandyDon needs her.

Fact is Romo is a big part of our failures. Yeah, I know we can go into him making us a 8-8 team when we would have been 5-11 but SO WHAT... Not clutch in playoffs. Not clutch in getting us there.

Romo in playoffs - 2-4
Really should be 1-4

 

[rpntex]

Tony Romo made bad decisions.

Stop blaming the defenses.

You guys look silly when you do that.

Not as silly as you look when your brown up a blanket statement like that.

With the exception of 2009, Romo was in a position where he had to take a lot of risks. In years when the running game wasn't solid, he had to be the offense on his own a lot of the time. When the defense was poor, the entire offense felt like they had to score every the they had the ball just to keep up with what the defense would allow.

In either of those scenarios, the QB is forced to take risks...risks that Russell Wilson doesn't have to take...risks that Romo didn't have to take this year.

For your to say the defense played no role in things is one-dimensional thinking.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Not as silly as you look when your brown up a blanket statement like that.

With the exception of 2009, Romo was in a position where he had to take a lot of risks. In years when the running game wasn't solid, he had to be the offense on his own a lot of the time. When the defense was poor, the entire offense felt like they had to score every the they had the ball just to keep up with what the defense would allow.

In either of those scenarios, the QB is forced to take risks...risks that Russell Wilson doesn't have to take...risks that Romo didn't have to take this year.

For your to say the defense played no role in things is one-dimensional thinking.

Never said defense didn't play "no role" ... Just don't lay most of it on the defense.

 

[rpntex]

You realize if you "give me something" as you call it.... but disqualify it in the next sentence then you just don't want to see it.

Small minded. Let's go back in time. Whether they had "any remote business" or not.

3 win and you are in = out 3x

2006 Seattle
2007 ...13-3 one and done with a bye win
2008 .... 9-7
2009 ... Playoff win and lose to Vikings

I have listed facts.
You keep listing "had no business _______" stuff



So, in summary. No matter how you "excuse" things with whatever reason you want to... 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 were years where we could have done something? = 1-3 playoffs

2011, 2012, 2013 = loser go home 3x

2014 - a bs ref call from one and done again.

WE could have done something. For once, you're referring to it as a "team" event, and not a "Romo" failure. for once, you're right.

2006 - the Seattle playoff loss is all on Parcells. Seattle started two CBs who started the year on someone's practice squad, and a Safety who had never started an NFL game prior to that one. Yet Parcells refused to attack the weakness on Seattle's defense. The rejuvenated Dallas passing game - which is what had gotten them there - was stymied by its own head coach.

2007 - gotta put this one on Garrett and a defense that allowed the Giants to drive down right before half. Turned out to be a big momentum shift. Garret's role came from running Marion Barber and the OL into the ground in the first half, leaving them gassed by the middle the 3rd quarter. Dallas' offense became one-dimensional, and therefore much easier for the Giants to defend. Oh, and before you jump up in the air and shout "how about Romo's INT?", I'll just say "give me a break". There were 9 seconds left in the game, and the Giants had 7 defenders drop into then end zone. It was basically a "Hail Mary" play - not the highest percentage play.

2008 - sure Dallas ended up 9-7, but Romo missed four games with the broken pinkie. Dallas went 1-3 in those games, meaning they were 8-4 with Romo as a starter. With a healthy Romo, Dallas isnt 9-6 going into that final game, and has the division in hand. You can't blame him solely for the Eagles loss, either. 44-6 can't be pinned on a single player.

2009 - the playoff loss goes directly to an offensive line that forgot to show up. Romo actually had a decent statistical day, but was sacked six times.

The last three seasons were more of the shame overall story. In '12 & 13, Dallas had no business winning 8 games, but did so largely because of Romo. He's made his share of mistakes - like every QB in the league, but his positive play had more than made up for it.

 

[rpntex]

Never said defense didn't play "no role" ... Just don't lay most of it on the defense.

But you can lay most of it on Romo, right?

 

[RoboQB]

Tony Romo... an undrafted kid... a true grit gunslinger who's made plenty of mistakes on the gridiron...
he's also made many great plays.. often in the same game... he will drive you up a wall... I seriously
considered buying a shirt that simply says "Romo Makes Me Drink".

However, I'm a Romo fan... what a story he is... regular guy becomes Dallas Cowboys QB.

Suddenly, he has an Oline full of Pro Bowl talent and a running game that takes the pressure off...
and what does he do? He leads the league in QB rating... and should've been the NFL MVP...
We should be backing our QB... not bashing him... trust me, you'll miss him when he's gone.