Total Expected Points Added (EPA) on Targets chart shows Dak/Offense needs more weapons

[America's Cowboy]

Looks like this Offense over-achieved considering the lack of weapons. Cowboys need to get Dak more/better weapons if they expect to advance further in 2023.

 

[pitt33]

Jerry stated last year that Dak is going to have to earn his money and produce with what he has. They went out and gave him more with Hilton.

It didn’t help to have Gallup not even a year removed from his issue but Jones put this on his quarterback and here we are.

Home for championship weekend

Once again.

 

[Pentagruel]

Yikes that is an ugly chart but it pretty much jives with my intuition on this offense. It’s more complicated of course, but I think it’s undeniable that more weapons are needed on offense.

 

[Tangle_Foot]

So the team needs to cook his steak and cut it for him too. I'm all for more weapons but they don't come cheap. Dak might need to renegotiate that contract to something a little more team friendly.

Of course adding a different offensive coordinator could be seen as a weapon

 

[Reality]

Looks like this Offense over-achieved considering the lack of weapons. Cowboys need to get Dak more/better weapons if they expect to advance further in 2023.

This chart is completely worthless.

See this link ..
https://www.nfeloapp.com/analysis/expected-points-added-epa-nfl

Shortcomings of EPA​

EPA does have its limitations, most notably in its ability to measure individual performance. EPA analysis works for QBs because that position dictates so much of the game. However, football is a team sport, and attributing EPA to other positions like running-back or wide-receiver typically does not yield as much signal. EPA can’t distinguish between a well run route and a well thrown ball.​

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[America's Cowboy]

Jerry stated last year that Dak is going to have to earn his money and produce with what he has. They went out and gave him more with Hilton.

It didn’t help to have Gallup not even a year removed from his issue but Jones put this on his quarterback and here we are. Home for championship weekend once again.

Hilton didn't come on board until December 24, so it's somewhat disingenuous to say the Cowboys front office went and gave Dak some help this season. They should have done this at the beginning of the season. Their pick ups of James Washington and Jalen Tolbert were a total failure. This Cowboys Offense overachieved by advancing further this year than last year with lesser talent/weapons. If they are serious about trying to go further, they need to add more/better weapon(s).

 

[Playmaker247]

This chart is completely worthless.

See this link ..
https://www.nfeloapp.com/analysis/expected-points-added-epa-nfl

Shortcomings of EPA​

EPA does have its limitations, most notably in its ability to measure individual performance. EPA analysis works for QBs because that position dictates so much of the game. However, football is a team sport, and attributing EPA to other positions like running-back or wide-receiver typically does not yield as much signal. EPA can’t distinguish between a well run route and a well thrown ball.​

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Well see that’s why you use stats and charts like this but also use your eyes. Which I think we can all agree our eyes showed us the weapons were trash. Gallup, Zeke, Schultz and Brown were not good this yeah. You really didn’t need a chart to know that. It just reaffirms it

 

[Playmaker247]

So the only positive impacts guys outside of Ceedee and Pollard were, a guy signed in December, RB3, and a rookie backup TE. We need more weapons badly

 

[Reality]

Well see that’s why you use stats and charts like this but also use your eyes. Which I think we can all agree our eyes showed us the weapons were trash. Gallup, Zeke, Schultz and Brown were not good this yeah. You really didn’t need a chart to know that. It just reaffirms it

Elliott split runs with Pollard .. you cannot count just one when both split the carries.

Dak had a running game that provided 1,883 yards rushing.

Dak played in only 12 games yet led the lead in interceptions. But yeah, it's everyone else's fault.

 

[CATCH17]

Pay him!

Also he needs more weapons!

Also he needs great blocking!

Also he needs a great defense!

Also he needs great coaching!




Like seriously.. Dak is paid to elevate the team..

Here is an idea.. Instead of better weapons why don’t you just throw it to a wide open TY Hilton for 6..

Or throw a catchable ball to Gallup when he’s 2’yards behind the defense.

Or not throw into heavy coverage and lead the league in INTs.

 

[CATCH17]

Elliott split runs with Pollard .. you cannot count just one when both split the carries.

Dak had a running game that provided 1,883 yards rushing.

Dak played in only 12 games yet led the lead in interceptions. But yeah, it's everyone else's fault.

A unguarded TY Hilton running free for a TD but better weapons are supposed to help..

 

[DStar22]

the receivers get open for the most part but the can;t catch passes if the QB does it throw to them when they are open.

 

[Playmaker247]

Elliott split runs with Pollard .. you cannot count just one when both split the carries.

Dak had a running game that provided 1,883 yards rushing.

Dak played in only 12 games yet led the lead in interceptions. But yeah, it's everyone else's fault.

Looking at totals yards is worthless because you don’t know how efficient they were. Pollard was absolutely a weapon. Zeke wasn’t. Every Zeke handle was a win for the defense

 

[America's Cowboy]

Elliott split runs with Pollard .. you cannot count just one when both split the carries.

Dak had a running game that provided 1,883 yards rushing.

Dak played in only 12 games yet led the lead in interceptions. But yeah, it's everyone else's fault.

1/3rd of those Interceptions were on the receivers, but it's easier just to put all interceptions on Dak.

 

[America's Cowboy]

A unguarded TY Hilton running free for a TD but better weapons are supposed to help..

Cowboys receivers led the league in smallest separation percentage. But, yes, it's Dak's fault.

 

[Sydla]

Yikes that is an ugly chart but it pretty much jives with my intuition on this offense. It’s more complicated of course, but I think it’s undeniable that more weapons are needed on offense.

The problem is there is a subset of fans who see this and start yelling, "See, Dak is great, it's not his fault!".

But that ignores the reality that the inconsistency the offense showed game to game at times is more than just oh, the WRs need to be better.

 

[Playmaker247]

Pay him!

Also he needs more weapons!

Also he needs great blocking!

Also he needs a great defense!

Also he needs great coaching!




Like seriously.. Dak is paid to elevate the team..

Here is an idea.. Instead of better weapons why don’t you just throw it to a wide open TY Hilton for 6..

Or throw a catchable ball to Gallup when he’s 2’yards behind the defense.

Or not throw into heavy coverage and lead the league in INTs.

He doesn’t need a great offensive line or more weapons to be a top offense. He did that this year. But if you want to go further in the playoffs he needs more than a bottom 3 passing blocking o line and 2 of his 3 starting wr’s can’t be ranked bottom in the league in average separation

 

[Sydla]

He doesn’t need a great offensive line or more weapons to be a top offense. He did that this year. But if you want to go further in the playoffs he needs more than a bottom 3 passing blocking o line and 2 of his 3 starting wr’s can’t be ranked bottom in the league in average separation

Stop with the bottom three pass blocking OL. That's based on pass rush block rate but there are a variety of other stats such as pressures, sacks, pressure rate, DVOA for OL, etc that show the OL was pretty good at pass blocking. The totality of the stats should tell you that while the OL wasn't an elite pass blocking OL, the idea that they were terrible isn't accurate either.

 

[Sydla]

This chart is completely worthless.

See this link ..
https://www.nfeloapp.com/analysis/expected-points-added-epa-nfl

Shortcomings of EPA​

EPA does have its limitations, most notably in its ability to measure individual performance. EPA analysis works for QBs because that position dictates so much of the game. However, football is a team sport, and attributing EPA to other positions like running-back or wide-receiver typically does not yield as much signal. EPA can’t distinguish between a well run route and a well thrown ball.​

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You are one big party pooper.

 

[America's Cowboy]

That separation number can be influenced by a variety of factors - scheme, WR talent and yes the QB.

You keep coming up with these stats that you think proves Dak is awesome and being let down by everyone else but in reality, many of these stats can also be influenced by how the QB is playing.

All true, but video breakdowns by various professionals have shown this receiving crew was the absolute worst in average separation.