Tough Enough
- Thread starter zrinkill
- Start date
Cowboy Brian
@BrianLINY
- Messages
- 15,864
- Reaction score
- 5,053
zrinkill;3907373 said:
Wow and I thought I was the only one you hated, I feel alot less special
.
Yeagermeister
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 47,629
- Reaction score
- 117
Ok you two that's enough
Phoenix
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 6,814
- Reaction score
- 1,419
Anjinsan;3907306 said:
The whole world knows that it's not "real competition" if that is what you mean by "fake".
It's sports entertainment, according to Mr. McMahon...
Anyway. "Fake"? No. Those folks in the ring are REALLY REALLY doing all those things to each other, and suffering many many injuries in the process. Witness the sudden retirement just this week of Edge due to lingering issues with spinal surgery caused by IN THE RING WRESTLING. Fake? I hardly think so. These people are superb athletes, and they HAVE to be in order to sell the show to the public. They have my deepest respect for what they do and are able to do, even to the point of having people like YOU thinking they have to point out to the rest of humanity that it's all "fake" as you say.
Irony is that it is not fake at all. Scripted? Yes. Outcome determined? Yes. (mostly....)
Fake? Oh, HELL no. Or if you doubt me, YOU get in the ring and do what those folks do and tell me it's "fake".
Even given a "script".
TellerMorrow34
BraveHeartFan
- Messages
- 28,358
- Reaction score
- 5,076
Anjinsan;3907486 said:
I guess you watch no TV shows and no movies either, right? Cause you know those are fake as well and have an predetermined outcome.
TellerMorrow34
BraveHeartFan
- Messages
- 28,358
- Reaction score
- 5,076
Romo 2 Austin;3907342 said:
Oh of course. Yet another strawman excuse. Now it's cause of a rise in DVR's so the fact that WWE could pull double the ratings when it was there isn't completely fair.
You'll just make up any excuse to try and get around the fact that TNA is what it is. A secondary wrestling company that is absolutely no threat, what so ever, to the big dog. It never has been and it, in all likelyhood, never will be.
- Messages
- 103,164
- Reaction score
- 116,618
BraveHeartFan;3908320 said:
Since you mentioned me by name I'll respond.
This post is right on the :money:
Cowboy Brian
@BrianLINY
- Messages
- 15,864
- Reaction score
- 5,053
BraveHeartFan;3908320 said:
When RAW was on Spike pulling 3's, most network TV shows were pulling 3.5's-5's for orginal content.
Now TV shows are getting renewed for pulling 2's.
So lets say RAW would pull 70% of that 3, they'd be pulling around a 2.0 on Spike nowadays, TNA pulls 1.18(low end)-1.4 (high end).
That's not exact science, but comparing ratings from 7 or so years ago is just not fair with the across the board drop in ratings, USA network is one of the few networks that has risen.
Yakuza Rich
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 18,043
- Reaction score
- 12,385
Ah, the old 'don't you know it's fake?' argument.
IIRC, they did a poll asking this question to wrestling fans and something lik 96% said they realized it is 'fake.' I'd assume the 4% were small children (who probably shouldn't be polled) or people with low IQ's and considered 'slow' or mentally handicapped.
Sooooo...great, you get to pick on small children and the mentally handicapped because your knowledge that it's fake makes them the butt of the joke.
Of course, the pro wrestling defenders will refute this with how wrestling is very painful. They're right. Bouncing off the ropes 30 times or so will leave welts to most people the first time they try it. Body Slams don't tickle. And there's been plenty of wrestlers who have been legitimately paralyzed by a botched piledriver.
The problem I have with this argument is that's not why I like wrestling.
Wrestling is entertainment. Just like, at a basic level...watching the NFL or watching a show on TV.
I think if one were watching the Sopranos and said 'I can't believe people watch this stuff, don't you know it's fake? Don't you know they do not actually shoot people?' That person would look like a loon.
Wrestling is partly like a magic show and partially like a stunt man show and partially like any other show on TV. The wrestlers job is to make things look 'real' even when they are 'fake.' They also do some things that may hurt, but doesn't actually injure them...but like stunt men injuries are unavoidable. And like any other show, the audience has to suspend their beliefs on something.
Wrestling is hero worship. Much like comic books are hero worship. I don't care about comic books and rarely see movies based on comic books, but given how much those movies earn in gross revenue every time they come out....there's a lot of hypocrites out there who bash wrestling because it's 'fake.'
And in reality, that's what the NFL is about....hero worship. Just like you may see a fan wearing a shirt of his favorite wrestler, we have tons of football fans wearing the jersey of their favorite football player.
I actually don't watch wrestling anymore unless there is nothing on and I have spare time. I just don't find it as entertaining as it once was. It has nothing to do with 'growing up', it's just the quality and the direction of pro wrestling isn't the same and I don't enjoy it as much. But, I'm not going to sit there and say 'don't you know it's fake?'
YR
IIRC, they did a poll asking this question to wrestling fans and something lik 96% said they realized it is 'fake.' I'd assume the 4% were small children (who probably shouldn't be polled) or people with low IQ's and considered 'slow' or mentally handicapped.
Sooooo...great, you get to pick on small children and the mentally handicapped because your knowledge that it's fake makes them the butt of the joke.
Of course, the pro wrestling defenders will refute this with how wrestling is very painful. They're right. Bouncing off the ropes 30 times or so will leave welts to most people the first time they try it. Body Slams don't tickle. And there's been plenty of wrestlers who have been legitimately paralyzed by a botched piledriver.
The problem I have with this argument is that's not why I like wrestling.
Wrestling is entertainment. Just like, at a basic level...watching the NFL or watching a show on TV.
I think if one were watching the Sopranos and said 'I can't believe people watch this stuff, don't you know it's fake? Don't you know they do not actually shoot people?' That person would look like a loon.
Wrestling is partly like a magic show and partially like a stunt man show and partially like any other show on TV. The wrestlers job is to make things look 'real' even when they are 'fake.' They also do some things that may hurt, but doesn't actually injure them...but like stunt men injuries are unavoidable. And like any other show, the audience has to suspend their beliefs on something.
Wrestling is hero worship. Much like comic books are hero worship. I don't care about comic books and rarely see movies based on comic books, but given how much those movies earn in gross revenue every time they come out....there's a lot of hypocrites out there who bash wrestling because it's 'fake.'
And in reality, that's what the NFL is about....hero worship. Just like you may see a fan wearing a shirt of his favorite wrestler, we have tons of football fans wearing the jersey of their favorite football player.
I actually don't watch wrestling anymore unless there is nothing on and I have spare time. I just don't find it as entertaining as it once was. It has nothing to do with 'growing up', it's just the quality and the direction of pro wrestling isn't the same and I don't enjoy it as much. But, I'm not going to sit there and say 'don't you know it's fake?'
YR
TellerMorrow34
BraveHeartFan
- Messages
- 28,358
- Reaction score
- 5,076
Romo 2 Austin;3908508 said:
I'd be willing to bet any amount of money that i've got that WWE could go on Spike next week and still out draw TNA. I have no doubt about that fact at all. They'd draw double what TNA does, hands down.