Trading a Franchised Player

[xwalker]

There has been some discussion of Franchising Spencer and then trading him.

Does anybody have some examples of this happening?

The Pats did it with Matt Cassel, but that's the only one I can remember.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Jared Allen

 

[AbeBeta]

Joey Galloway.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It happens, but not usually with teams who need the cap space

 

[supercowboy8]

It happens and Spencer will be a wanted man by other teams. Franchise him and tell teams you want a 2nd. Atleast they will get in a price war and trade atleast a 3rd and 4th.

Spencer wants a long term deal and doesn't want to be franchised, he won't sign the tag. His agent and Dallas will work together to get him traded to a team he wants to go to and the new team will work with his agent on a contract.

Just like it did with the above players mentioned.

Also I think Peppers was franchised and traded.

 

[supercowboy8]

It happens, but not usually with teams who need the cap space

what does cap space have to do with trading a player.

Spencer will not sign the tag, his agent wants more than just 10 million. He knows he will be traded and receive a new contract that guarantees more than 10 million. Come on man think.

 

[honyock]

It happens and Spencer will be a wanted man by other teams. Franchise him and tell teams you want a 2nd. Atleast they will get in a price war and trade atleast a 3rd and 4th.

Spencer wants a long term deal and doesn't want to be franchised, he won't sign the tag. His agent and Dallas will work together to get him traded to a team he wants to go to and the new team will work with his agent on a contract.

Just like it did with the above players mentioned.

Also I think Peppers was franchised and traded.

So if he gets franchised and the team lets it be known that he's being shopped, can his agent have direct talks with potential trade partners about contract matters? Assuming the Cowboys gave permission for that, is it allowed by the league for a player/agent to talk with other teams before a trade?

 

[supercowboy8]

So if he gets franchised and the team lets it be known that he's being shopped, can his agent have direct talks with potential trade partners about contract matters? Assuming the Cowboys gave permission for that, is it allowed by the league for a player/agent to talk with other teams before a trade?

Yes the same as Peppers, Cassell, and Allen.

Take Jared Allen for example. KC let it know they wanted two 1st round picks for him, ofcourse the knew they wouldn't get that, Minny came in and offered No. 17 overall pick, two third-round picks and a sixth-round pick. Then Allen and Minny talked contract and agreed on a deal and the trade was done.

Why can't the same be done for Spencer?

 

[honyock]

Yes the same as Peppers, Cassell, and Allen.

Take Jared Allen for example. KC let it know they wanted two 1st round picks for him, ofcourse the knew they wouldn't get that, Minny came in and offered No. 17 overall pick, two third-round picks and a sixth-round pick. Then Allen and Minny talked contract and agreed on a deal and the trade was done.

Why can't the same be done for Spencer?

Thanks, I just wasn't sure what the rules were about contact with potential trade partners.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

What does everything think we'll honestly get for him? A 2nd at best?

If you're trading him for a 3rd or less that seems like a complete waste and the Cowboys would be much better off in finding a way to resign him if that's the case.

I mean if they could come up with a 1st or 2nd then it's worth talking about but I'd hope they wouldn't do it for anything less.

 

[supercowboy8]

What does everything think we'll honestly get for him? A 2nd at best?

If you're trading him for a 3rd or less that seems like a complete waste and the Cowboys would be much better off in finding a way to resign him if that's the case.

I mean if they could come up with a 1st or 2nd then it's worth talking about but I'd hope they wouldn't do it for anything less.

I would take a 3rd and 4th for him in a heard beat. I would ask for a first hoping I could get a 2nd but a 3rd and 4th in this draft depth would be good enough for me.

Spencer is 29 and coming off the best year of his career. Switching to the tampa 2 which he might be a good fit, but he isn't worth a 20 plus guaranteed bad contract. Not many DEs are any better after 30. He might be good for the nest two years but after that it would be a bad cap hit to release him.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

with several teams switching to a 3-4 this year I could see someone giving up a 2nd for him. He is still in his 20's and is now a pro bowl OLB who had a better year than D Ware.

 

[Nightman]

what does cap space have to do with trading a player.

Spencer will not sign the tag, his agent wants more than just 10 million. He knows he will be traded and receive a new contract that guarantees more than 10 million. Come on man think.

I think the question is whether or not the Cowboys have to have the $10m in cap space to franchise him in the first place. If it doesn't count until Spencer actually signs the tag, then no big deal. But it starts immediately the Cowboys would have to make some cuts to get under the cap. Just like the June 1st cuts will eventually get them under the cap, it doesn't help until after the draft and FA.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I think the question is whether or not the Cowboys have to have the $10m in cap space to franchise him in the first place. If it doesn't count until Spencer actually signs the tag, then no big deal. But it starts immediately the Cowboys would have to make some cuts to get under the cap. Just like the June 1st cuts will eventually get them under the cap, it doesn't help until after the draft and FA.

and even if we create the $10 million to do it, we will likely be on the sideline during free agency untill the trade happens.

 

[jobberone]

Interesting thread. I hadn't really thought about this being a possibility.

 

[Mr_Bill]

So if he gets franchised and the team lets it be known that he's being shopped, can his agent have direct talks with potential trade partners about contract matters? Assuming the Cowboys gave permission for that, is it allowed by the league for a player/agent to talk with other teams before a trade?

According to the current CBA, it depends on whether the player is designated as an Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Player. A Non-Exclusive player can negotiate with any team (including the Franchising team). An Exclusive player may only 'negotiate or sign' with the Franchising team.

If a Non-Exclusive player signs a contract with another team, the Franchising team is awarded 2 first-round draft picks from the new team.

However, any Franchised player can be traded for whatever the market will bear. The Franchise tag goes along with him, and the new team must be able to absorb the cap hit. It can then negotiate whatever contract it can obtain with the player.

Joey Galloway was a Non-Exclusive Franchised Player. He was actually traded to the Cowboys, though. He had negotiated a contract with the Cowboys before the deal went through. The Cowboys agreed to pay the Seahawks the full compensation of 2 first-round picks, to keep any other team from grabbing him.

It is reported that Dan Snyder wanted to get in on the bidding, and would have offered more. But Mike Holmgren said he had already come to an agreement with Jerry Jones and would not back out on his word. Snyder was said to have been furious and vowed to get even. This may have been the beginning of the close relationship between Jones and Holmgren.

It is to the Cowboys detriment that Holmgren was an honorable man.

 

[Nirvana]

Spencer has played his last down here. He will sign on with another team. There will be no franchise tag.

 

[junk]

If, as some have speculated, the move to a 4-3 was done in part financially to avoid having to re-sign Spencer, then getting anything for him is a win.

 

[Tezz]

Jared Allen, John Abraham and Matt Cassel

Franchise and then trading Spencer is very unlikely to occur due to many factors. Also, since the writing seems to be on the wall teams will wait out the situation instead of waste draft picks.

 

[xwalker]

If, as some have speculated, the move to a 4-3 was done in part financially to avoid having to re-sign Spencer, then getting anything for him is a win.

If the Cowboys are not going to sign any significant Free Agents, then losing Spencer would result in a 3rd or 4th round comp pick in 2014. This is equivalent to a 4th or 5th in 2013. In other words, it might be worth it for a 7th.