Trading for value

[Future]

Wins count, not what ifs. So it still has been 8 years since they have won it all.

Teams are no longer building in their mold/model. NFL teams have gone a different way and it should be obvious that the new mold of a perfect QB is Wilson, Cam, Kapernick, and RGIII.

Well, I don't necessarily agree with that, but my only point was that, "by NFL standards" 8 years is hardly a long time in between Super Bowl wins.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Fans get mad mostly because Jerry usually gets theshort end of the stick. Jerry usually gets to close to his players and holds on to long too.

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Bravo. That has been a negative hallmark of this team. Keep them until they are unserviceable or untradable, because, gosh, we love them!

Well, mens, love will not win games.

I half admired teams that half a constant inflow/outflow of players.
I love the teams who reload instead of start over. THIS is something that the fans half to understand too: A great player, even Ware and Witten, will some day descend to average and finally to scrub status. That is just the way nature is with bodies that take constant pounding and physical abuse.

Learn to let go. Learn to welcome the young talent.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

When your team has solid or great seasons just about every year, suddenly all of the players on your team appear to be better than they really are. When teams are looking to improve, the players on a 11-5 team look a lot more attractive than those on a 5-11 team. That is the reason the Patriots have been able to trade players away for higher round picks.

The problem is that the Patriots use a system that relies less on any one player other than Tom Brady. That is why when they lose a supposed key player, they continue to keep on winning more often than not.

/reality

yep ^^^

 

[john van brocklin]

:clap2:
Bravo. That has been a negative hallmark of this team. Keep them until they are unserviceable or untradable, because, gosh, we love them!

Well, mens, love will not win games.

I half admired teams that half a constant inflow/outflow of players.
I love the teams who reload instead of start over. THIS is something that the fans half to understand too: A great player, even Ware and Witten, will some day descend to average and finally to scrub status. That is just the way nature is with bodies that take constant pounding and physical abuse.

Learn to let go. Learn to welcome the young talent.

That was one reason for the Cowboys early dynasty
Tex was not afraid to trade players and got good draft picks for them.
Craig Morton was flipped for either Too Tall or the Manster. Can't remember
which one ...

 

[Galian Beast]

That was one reason for the Cowboys early dynasty
Tex was not afraid to trade players and got good draft picks for them.
Craig Morton was flipped for either Too Tall or the Manster. Can't remember
which one ...

Our 90s dynasty was also based on a getting a surplus of early picks.

 

[burmafrd]

Our 90s dynasty was also based on a getting a surplus of early picks.

and taking the Vikings to the cleaners

Jimmy took them for everything but the horns on the helmet of the Viking Mascot

 

[cml750]

When your team has solid or great seasons just about every year, suddenly all of the players on your team appear to be better than they really are. When teams are looking to improve, the players on a 11-5 team look a lot more attractive than those on a 5-11 team. That is the reason the Patriots have been able to trade players away for higher round picks.

The problem is that the Patriots use a system that relies less on any one player other than Tom Brady. That is why when they lose a supposed key player, they continue to keep on winning more often than not.

/reality

It takes a great QB and a good coach. The Cowboys have half the equation since they are fortunate enough to have a great QB. To be fair to Garrett, he may turn out to be a great coach now that he is giving up control of the offense (hopefully ray. We should know next season.

 

[CyberB0b]

The NFL has caught up the Belichick. His last Superbowl win was 8 seasons go. That is a long time by NFL standards. Brady is almost done and the run is pretty much over.

LOL. They are contenders every year. The only time they haven't made the playoffs in the last 10 years was when they lost Brady and went 11-5. They have lost more Super Bowls in the last 8 seasons than we have won playoff games in 16. I would say they have it figured out perfectly.

 

[Hoofbite]

Well maybe that is true. But then why has he come up dry for rings since 2004?

And what has he gotten for all those draft picks?

Gronk and Hernandez and who else that really makes a difference?

I like the way they do things mostly but the results as regards rings?
Not so good.

Because there's no single secret ingredient to winning a Super Bowl.

Putting in yourself to be in position to do so year after year is a hell of a start though.

 

[Hoofbite]

Yes, it was with Matt Cassel, but without the Patriots team Cassel has done nothing since. Back when Cassel came in for the injured Brady, the Patriots defense was outstanding.

/reality

Cassel had a good season in KC his first year, I believe.

I think it was actually better than his season as the Patriots QB.

Oops, excuse me. It was his 2nd year in KC.

 

[Hoofbite]

They're right on the cusp every year. A bounce here or there and they could have added to their titles. I wish the league caught up to us like that.

Life after Brady will be a challenge for Belichick, but I have a feeling he'll call it a career when that happens and go down as only having his success with possibly the greatest QB to ever play the game.

No kidding.

They've been in the conference championship like 5-6 times in the last 10 years or something ridiculous like that.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I'd pose this a bit differently.

What Belichick does that Jerry doesn't understand is he doesn't hold on to declining players too long.

Belichick pays players for what they WILL do. Jerry pays them for what they already did. That's why there's so much dead money laying around here all the time.

Quite possibly the most intuitive post I have ever read on this site.

 

[ufcrules1]

I'd pose this a bit differently.

What Belichick does that Jerry doesn't understand is he doesn't hold on to declining players too long.

Belichick pays players for what they WILL do. Jerry pays them for what they already did. That's why there's so much dead money laying around here all the time.

Wow.. awesome post man. I feel the same exact way. Jerry is very loyal to "names" and Belichick is loyal to results. The Patriots have such a great system in place and when a player no longer fits that system they are out. It's nothing more than a business there and I can really appreciate that.