Trans Fats help

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I somewhat get the basics of what trans fat is. It's a man made fat with extra hydrogen molecules, but I created this thread so perhaps a medical expert could chime in on the subject, alternatives, what is being done in the food industry about trans fat; and other trans fatty issues.

I thought it'd be interesting to start this thread to not only educate myself on the matter, but others as well.

I'm hoping to get information from a biological as well as from a health viewpoint, as far as the negative impacts on health and how/why this occurs.. as well as what the positive alternatives are and why they are safer.

Thanks in advance. :)
 
the kid 05;1657025 said:
isn't trans fat the "good" fat?

No, trans fat is the bad fat. It's in everything. Any time that you see "hydrogenated" on a label supposedly it's bad.
 
AnyGivenSunday;1657073 said:
No, trans fat is the bad fat. It's in everything. Any time that you see "hydrogenated" on a label supposedly it's bad.


Not in anything I eat.
 
What i have been taught about Trans Fat is that it raises the bad cholesterol LDL and lowers the good or protective cholesterol HDL. That may be oversimplifying things but the idea is that not only can it raise total cholesterol but also give a unfavorable ratio of bad to good cholesterol.

Its in a lot of processed foods, tatsycakes, chips and those types of snacks. Hydrogenated oils = trans fats. so also anything deep fried.

Im still eating hot wings while watching football though.
 
Hoov;1657307 said:
Im still eating hot wings while watching football though.

I have a recipe for broiled/baked, balsamic/honey/red pepper flake, glazed wings, that'll make you swear-off fried wings. Trust me I'm a professional!

;)
 
AnyGivenSunday;1657014 said:
I somewhat get the basics of what trans fat is. It's a man made fat with extra hydrogen molecules, but I created this thread so perhaps a medical expert could chime in on the subject, alternatives, what is being done in the food industry about trans fat; and other trans fatty issues.

I thought it'd be interesting to start this thread to not only educate myself on the matter, but others as well.

I'm hoping to get information from a biological as well as from a health viewpoint, as far as the negative impacts on health and how/why this occurs.. as well as what the positive alternatives are and why they are safer.

Thanks in advance. :)

...Transfat is basically a liquid oil, typically soybean, hydrogenated (whipped) to harden it for food manufacturing purposes. Companies do this for one of two reasons. First to make the fat preserve longer for transport of food. Second to give food that crunchy texture.

The problem with hydrogenation is that it will take a relatively harmless fat such as soybean oil and transform into a product similar to LDL.

HDL, the good cholesterol takes plaque and cholesterol from the blood stream and deposits it into the liver. LDL takes plaque and cholesterol from the liver and deposits it into the bloodstream. LDL causes narrowing of the arteries, arterial ruptures that may lead to strokes and heart attacks.

Hydrogenated fats act like LDL.

As a general rule there is not much good in this world in terms of food when a manufacturing process is involved to make it.

I happen to work in plastics manufacturing now, but I keep abreast of as much of what is happening in the manuf. world. Hydrogenated oil is a nasty man made product that isn't really fit for human consumption.
 
davidyee;1658797 said:
...Transfat is basically a liquid oil, typically soybean, hydrogenated (whipped) to harden it for food manufacturing purposes. Companies do this for one of two reasons. First to make the fat preserve longer for transport of food. Second to give food that crunchy texture.

The problem with hydrogenation is that it will take a relatively harmless fat such as soybean oil and transform into a product similar to LDL.

HDL, the good cholesterol takes plaque and cholesterol from the blood stream and deposits it into the liver. LDL takes plaque and cholesterol from the liver and deposits it into the bloodstream. LDL causes narrowing of the arteries, arterial ruptures that may lead to strokes and heart attacks.

Hydrogenated fats act like LDL.

As a general rule there is not much good in this world in terms of food when a manufacturing process is involved to make it.

I happen to work in plastics manufacturing now, but I keep abreast of as much of what is happening in the manuf. world. Hydrogenated oil is a nasty man made product that isn't really fit for human consumption.


DavidYee,

Very good information.

Thank you for your reply. I'm interested if you know about any studies of how people who ate food with trans fat vs. food without trans fat tastes...

And what are some other studies that have been done to show the effects of trans fats vs. alternatives.

Where does the FDA weigh in on this, and why?

Also, if you could narrow anything else down for me, I would appreciate it. How does man make the fat--why makes it similar to LDL, etc.
 
AnyGivenSunday;1658802 said:
DavidYee,

Very good information.

Thank you for your reply. I'm interested if you know about any studies of how people who ate food with trans fat vs. food without trans fat tastes...

And what are some other studies that have been done to show the effects of trans fats vs. alternatives.

Where does the FDA weigh in on this, and why?

Also, if you could narrow anything else down for me, I would appreciate it. How does man make the fat--why makes it similar to LDL, etc.

...The first studies done on the taste of food in any lengthy amount was done by the makers of Campbell's soup. The purpose was to make a production ready recipe that could be transported to the furthest reaches of the world, be good on the shelves for at least 6 months and taste like grandma made it fresh.

Well the experiment was a total disaster with the exception of one amazing product - MSG. (Monosodium Glutamate) Everything tasted better with it. Actually they found that people's palates became addicted to the taste. So bad that there were numerous media incidents of kids eating the shaker product in the palms of their hands and having their teeth fall out.

The product is well known to the meat industry as a tenderizer - it breaks down tissue.

So the food industry discovers a platform, the MSG platform, with it's savoury and salty flavours that is so addictive,but one problem still remains.

They had also been trying to provide the consumers with a ready to serve meal, but the problems they were finding is that if there wasn't a certain amount of fat in the meals people were not feeling satisfied.

The dilemma was natural fats in production food had a tendency to go rancid. The shelf life was limited. Here comes trans fat. First developed from palm oils for the production pastry business they found ways to crossover the process to soybean oil, which is much cheaper, and blends better with savoury foods such as fries, canned meats, etc.

That leads us to the popular and prevailing tastes out there in the fast food, chips and condiment industry. They all have their roots in a very narrow North American palate developed by the food manufacturers.

If you are looking for the studies on the comparison of the ingestion of transfat vs natural fats look no further than the studies for heart disease, obesity and cancer.

The best information you are going to get is if you talk to an autopsy coroner who has been in the business for at least 40 years. He/She will be able to give a first hand look at what they see is the trending changes they see in people who have expired.

The truth is simple...manufactured food is not healthy for a person. The food your great grandmother was cooking for the family was much healthier. The dilemma for all of us is that there is so little time to prepare and cook food and manufactured food is a tempting option.

FDA has approved most of these processes because the direct short term links are not easily seen. The real issue for much of this is has the recipes of manufactured food been developed to be addictive? FDA approvals are made understanding that the average American is not going to over eat on this single item.

The expectations are that you will only have can of soft drink once a week. A small bag of chips once every two weeks. A can of soup once a week. Canned pasta once a month.A chocolate bar every two weeks and so on and so forth.

These are not suppose to staples of a regular diet, but rather treats to supplement a healthy lifestyle.

On the explanation of transfat. The liquid oil is whipped in a blender until it is hardened to the consistency of floor wax. The process increases the density of the molecules by creating cross links. The cross links can only be broken down by heat. Think of a hard dense fat molecule floating in your belly and crossing over into your bloodstream. NOt good.

As for the effects of LDL in your body the best explanation I have ever seen was given by a noted Physician from America who is now made a name for himself with a set of healthy lifestyle books. His name is Michael Roizen and do look up his videos. They are great at explaining the mechanicals of what LDL does in a body.

Best of health to you.
 
I frankly have no sympathy for the lazy fat slobs. If you cannot control yourself or exercise to burn it off that is YOUR problem. Instead the lazy bums prefer to sue and get easy money. And moronic judges allow it.
No one puts a gun to their head and makes them eat there.
 
davidyee;1672702 said:
The truth is simple...manufactured food is not healthy for a person. The food your great grandmother was cooking for the family was much healthier. The dilemma for all of us is that there is so little time to prepare and cook food and manufactured food is a tempting option.


David - your entire post was one of the most fascinating I have read in a long time. I quoted one of my favorite parts, because I feel like it is one of the more important.
 
burmafrd;1672884 said:
I frankly have no sympathy for the lazy fat slobs. If you cannot control yourself or exercise to burn it off that is YOUR problem. Instead the lazy bums prefer to sue and get easy money. And moronic judges allow it.
No one puts a gun to their head and makes them eat there.

...the critical issue here. With the challenging lifestyles that many North Americans have and the dwindling hours to devote in preparing good food it so easy to fall into the trap of instant meals.

The solution is not easy, but taking control of what you eat is the only way to prevent some of the health problems that frequent consumers of production food are suffering from.
 
Crown Royal;1673049 said:
David - your entire post was one of the most fascinating I have read in a long time. I quoted one of my favorite parts, because I feel like it is one of the more important.

...to anyone who would like to try it. Go and find your grandmother's or great grandmother's recipe books and cook some of the meals the way they use to.

Everybody's family has a tradition of people at some point in time in the past cooking some fabulous tasting food. It unfortunately takes time and effort, but is well worth the trouble and your body will love you for it.

If everyone can consume production food in moderation and eat more "home" cooking the continent would be immensely healthier.
 
davidyee;1673539 said:
...to anyone who would like to try it. Go and find your grandmother's or great grandmother's recipe books and cook some of the meals the way they use to.

Everybody's family has a tradition of people at some point in time in the past cooking some fabulous tasting food. It unfortunately takes time and effort, but is well worth the trouble and your body will love you for it.

If everyone can consume production food in moderation and eat more "home" cooking the continent would be immensely healthier.



In another thread in OffTopic I asked a question about a website and getting it started. I didn't give details on what it would be about.


I will hint, though, that it has a LOT to do with this thread, in that it has to do with food, healthful eating, and doing it without sacrificing convenience/money.

In truth - it's CHEAPER to eat well, but processed food hides a lot of the value.
 

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