Trent green and his block

[Doomsday101]

I can almost guarantee that if Green had not been hurt, it would've been the first thing CBS showed on replay, whether Travis was hurt or not. They would've almost applauded that type of block, and for the fact it was the QB taking on the defensive lineman.

I think it's funny people are saying "well, it is apart of football." Color me stupid, as I always thought football was a contact sport -- meaning you give hits, and you take hits. Since when did going for someones knees become apart of that? If you get put on your arse, get up, dust yourself off and go back to the huddle.

You've got a man running blind to begin with, it wouldn't matter how big Trent Green was, if he had put his shoulder into him, Travis would've been on his back.

Guys get blocked at the knees every game only thing I saw different it was in the open field but how many times does a guy tackle someone around the knees by throwing his body low at the carrier? or lineman cutting d-lineman? It happens quite often.

 

[Rack]

I don't care if it's legal or not. That crap is cheap. I played DLine in HS and whenever someone chopped my knees, I'd punch them in the head/neck and knee them in the back. I don't care if it's legal. You go for my knees, you get it right back.

I talked to a friend of mine who is a HS OC and coaches the chop block on quick slants, etc. I told him if he teaches it, don't get bent out of shape when the DLinemen retaliate. He agreed.

And that makes your opinion invalid cuz you obviously have a bias in the matter.


I had a friend who played TE and he's always wait for the Tackle to engage the DT/DE then he'd crash down on his knee. THAT is a cheap shot. Blocking a guy that outweighs you by about 80 lbs by going low is NOT cheap. It's smart. Johnson should of been expecting it. You see blocks like that all the time when a player reverses field.

 

[Rack]

Guys get blocked at the knees every game only thing I saw different it was in the open field but how many times does a guy tackle someone around the knees by throwing his body low at the carrier? or lineman cutting d-lineman? It happens quite often.

Exactly! You see wussy CBs going for a FB's knees (when he's not looking) ALL THE TIME.

I don't see anyone complaining about that.

Hell, how many times did we see the Moose get flipped over jsut for that very reason (CB going low on him)?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

WG, I'm thinking you've never had your clock cleaned when chasing someone in the open field. That happens one time, and you realize you *have* to be aware of getting blocked from any one from any angle at any time. As long as you don't get clipped from behind, it's legal.

And the whole key here is that this was a quarterback. One, he's not an experienced blocker and almost isn't a "real" player when making that kind of play. And two, a QB should be like a fly to a 300-lb DT like Johnson.

 

[BruceWayne]

I can almost guarantee that if Green had not been hurt, it would've been the first thing CBS showed on replay, whether Travis was hurt or not. They would've almost applauded that type of block, and for the fact it was the QB taking on the defensive lineman.

I think it's funny people are saying "well, it is apart of football." Color me stupid, as I always thought football was a contact sport -- meaning you give hits, and you take hits. Since when did going for someones knees become apart of that? If you get put on your arse, get up, dust yourself off and go back to the huddle.

You've got a man running blind to begin with, it wouldn't matter how big Trent Green was, if he had put his shoulder into him, Travis would've been on his back.

Exactly Just like I saw TNew put Kruetz on his back when we played the Bears after one of those picks. It was a cheap shot anyway you look at it

 

[Kilyin]

It was a good block, and seeing what a jagoff this Travis Johnson guy is, it's a shame he didn't get his bell rung a little more in the process.

 

[WoodysGirl]

WG, I'm thinking you've never had your clock cleaned when chasing someone in the open field. That happens one time, and you realize you *have* to be aware of getting blocked from any one from any angle at any time. As long as you don't get clipped from behind, it's legal.

Nope, I haven't had my "clock cleaned" on a play like this. I'm only discussing this particular play. Because as you say, you would think Johnson should've been more aware. I think the way the play occurred on the field, I don't think Johnson could've avoided it.

On a side note: I really hate it when people point out I've never played football. It doesn't lessen my opinion, especially when I'm sure there are a ton of men on this site, who have never played either.

And the whole key here is that this was a quarterback. One, he's not an experienced blocker and almost isn't a "real" player when making that kind of play. And two, a QB should be like a fly to a 300-lb DT like Johnson.

No doubt. Like I said, I don't think it was a cheap shot, just a bad blocking method by Green.

 

[conner01]

green did not dive for his knees, he bent down and the defensive player ran over him
the play is perfectly legal.
if the d player did'nt see him thats his fault, he was directly in front of him
this is football and anything you can do to help your team win, thats legal, you should do.if someone gets hurt thats just part of the game.
i think any qb who would'nt attempt that block is not trying to win.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I wasn't trying to lessen your opinion, WG. Sorry if you thought that was my intent.

All I was saying was that TJ is an experienced player. He knows what to look out for in that situation. The fact that he couldn't see the blocker, or that Ginn was running around means nothing. (And Green can't say, "Hey, my teammate is running around like crazy and that Texan can't see me... I better not block him, then.")

I bet you could go back a few years and look at Brett Favre on reverses and see him do that exact thing that Green tried to do. Except when Favre does it, no one calls him a dirty player. Instead, they tout him as a courageous and tough guy who is willing to block a big lineman even when, as a QB, he really doesn't have to.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I wasn't trying to lessen your opinion, WG. Sorry if you thought that was my intent.

It's usually brought up as point.

All I was saying was that TJ is an experienced player. He knows what to look out for in that situation. The fact that he couldn't see the blocker, or that Ginn was running around means nothing. (And Green can't say, "Hey, my teammate is running around like crazy and that Texan can't see me... I better not block him, then.")

How do you see the blocker, when said blocker goes low like that? No matter how you swivel or attempt to be aware. You can see a guy go high. I don't know that you can see a guy go low.

I bet you could go back a few years and look at Brett Favre on reverses and see him do that exact thing that Green tried to do. Except when Favre does it, no one calls him a dirty player. Instead, they tout him as a courageous and tough guy who is willing to block a big lineman even when, as a QB, he really doesn't have to.

Not saying Green shouldn't have tried to block him. He did what he was supposed to do, as far as trying to block him. His method need was poor, IMO, especially since it could've turned out bad for Johnson, too and I'm not just talking about his knees.

 

[5Stars]

green did not dive for his knees, he bent down and the defensive player ran over him
the play is perfectly legal.
if the d player did'nt see him thats his fault, he was directly in front of him
this is football and anything you can do to help your team win, thats legal, you should do.if someone gets hurt thats just part of the game.
i think any qb who would'nt attempt that block is not trying to win.

I agree with this totally...he went low like trying to throw a cross body block, but like they say, "**it happens", and it looked like a freak accident. But that is the life of a football player. Also, if Johnson was not so "focused" on going after Ginn he should have seen the QB right there, unless he just has tunell vision!

I just think it was an unfortunate incident and, yes, it could happen to Ware or any other player on the field, so I don't know why the moaning about "if it happened to Ware, blah, blah, blah" stuff. Let's just hope that Ware is coached to watch his surroundings out there because things happen in split seconds and you have to be on the lookout.

 

[JVita17]

persoanlly im glad he was knocked out for trying that cheap shot, he should have tried to make that block like that, but he did and thats the reason he was he was knocked out cold, i personally enjoyed watching a cheater get what he deserved

 

[Clove]

To me, if they can go for the knees like that, then players should be able to unwind on QBs "no matter what" go low on QBs, go high on QBs, kill helpless receivers while in the air even if the pass is way over-thrown, horse collar, chop block, we can go on and on. It's a bad block, I don't like it, I had a couple players try to do that to me, and and of course I got them back later on in the game with a cheap shot myself.

 

[5Stars]

persoanlly im glad he was knocked out for trying that cheap shot, he should have tried to make that block like that, but he did and thats the reason he was he was knocked out cold, i personally enjoyed watching a cheater get what he deserved

What?

Some peoples kids....

 

[Rack]

Don't want this to come off sounding the wrong way, but it absolutely makes sense that someone that has "Done" something would know more about that something then someone who has just "Seen" something. It's common sense.


I've never played baseball. I may have an opinion or two about the sport or aspects of that sport, but I wouldn't begin to think I know more about it then someone who has played it. It's not demeaning to me, it's just I don't have the experience in the sport that someone has that has played it. It doesn't make my opinions of baseball pointless as there's some things you can see that are obvious, but if someone that has played the game a lot says I'm wrong then there's a good chance I'm wrong.

I'm not saying it has any bearing on this discussion whatsoever, just in general.


That said, baseball sucks.

 

[Rack]

To me, if they can go for the knees like that, then players should be able to unwind on QBs "no matter what" go low on QBs, go high on QBs, kill helpless receivers while in the air even if the pass is way over-thrown, horse collar, chop block, we can go on and on. It's a bad block, I don't like it, I had a couple players try to do that to me, and and of course I got them back later on in the game with a cheap shot myself.

Personally I think you should be able to unwind on a QB and WR. As long as there isn't an obvious intent to hurt the player, you should be able to hit them. WRs and QBs are football players too afterall.


And IMO, Green didn't intend to hurt Johnson. The dude (green) probably didn't even know what the hell he was doing. He's a freakin' QB, not Larry Allen.

 

[zeromaster]

OK so then if a qb did a low blow block like that to Ware all you guys would be just dandy with it...it's in the rules so it's fine..see ya later ware it was nice knowing ya as our best defensive player .


I understand Green did what he could but straight up going for the knees like that?..he aimed right for them. That is a injury waiting to happen.

he could of just got in the way...Not launch at the knees. So say what you will I dont condon that action.....but hey now he has a concusion and his career might be on the line..

Thus proving that the effects of concussions accumulate over time.

 

[Clove]

Personally I think you should be able to unwind on a QB and WR. As long as there isn't an obvious intent to hurt the player, you should be able to hit them. WRs and QBs are football players too afterall.


And IMO, Green didn't intend to hurt Johnson. The dude (green) probably didn't even know what the hell he was doing. He's a freakin' QB, not Larry Allen.

I see CBs trying to tackle like this all the time and I hate that. I forget what game is was several years ago, some safety went in to make a low tackle like that, and basically the WR or RB (I forget which) his leg basically flopped like a rag doll, it was an awful scene, they didn't show it on the highlights (thank God)

 

[Rack]

I see CBs trying to tackle like this all the time and I hate that. I forget what game is was several years ago, some safety went in to make a low tackle like that, and basically the WR or RB (I forget which) his leg basically flopped like a rag doll, it was an awful scene, they didn't show it on the highlights (thank God)

I played FB all through highschool and most of college. It's pretty much the only way defenders would tackle me. You have to be ready for it and know how to counter it or you'll end up like Johnson. He absolutely DID have the chance to see Green coming but did nothing to protect himself.

 

[Kilyin]

persoanlly im glad he was knocked out for trying that cheap shot, he should have tried to make that block like that, but he did and thats the reason he was he was knocked out cold, i personally enjoyed watching a cheater get what he deserved

:rake:

Kids these days...