Trevor Lawrence - Major Red Flag

[kskboys]

of course, any team drafting 1st over all has deficit thus he will not have the support system, but he is the Key piece to that support system. if the team is capable of putting the right talent around him, he has shown he can maximize that talent and get the output.....that;s all good QBs do. put talent around them and they can produce offensive results

JAX has 2 firsts and 2 seconds in this year's draft, so they have some nice blocks to use for building around Trevor.

 

[DFWJC]

When it is all said and done....I won't be shocked to see Zach Wilson have the better career.....and Lawrence ends up being Andrew Luck 2.0

You don't Andrew Luck was good?
Injuries did him in, but he was outstanding when healthy.

 

[DFWJC]

JAX has 2 firsts and 2 seconds in this year's draft, so they have some nice blocks to use for building around Trevor.

A lot of time when I look at mock drafts that go into 4th round or, I end up looking at how both the Jags and Jets did.
They have an incredible chance to really turn things around going forward.
Both should get their QB and then both have a ton of picks in the top 100.
It's fun to look at just to get away from Cowboy stuff for a minute.

 

[DFWJC]

It doesn't matter. He will never fall to Dallas.

True.
He's not going to fall to 2....let alone to 10.

 

[JJHLH1]

You don't Andrew Luck was good?
Injuries did him in, but he was outstanding when healthy.

Luck was horrible in the playoffs, which of course is what matters most. He certainly didn’t live up to the expectations that he would be an all-time great.

ANDREW LUCK – POSTSEASON CAREER
8 games (4-4 record)
185-for-328 (56.4%) for 2,254 yards
281.8 yards per game, 6.9 yards per attempt
12 touchdowns
13 interceptions
73.4 passer rating

 

[kskboys]

Luck was horrible in the playoffs, which of course is what matters most:

ANDREW LUCK – POSTSEASON CAREER
8 games (4-4 record)
185-for-328 (56.4%) for 2,254 yards
281.8 yards per game, 6.9 yards per attempt
12 touchdowns
13 interceptions
73.4 passer rating

I know "your really need to watch more football" is quite passe', but you really need to watch more football!!!!

Luck was on a crapp team that couldn't protect him, and led a terrible team to an 11-5 record and a playoff win. He was an amazing talent saddled w/ the village idiots for an org.

The team was completely Luck dependent. He had to make plays or they lose. Scrapp your stats, dude, they're misleading you on this one.

 

[JJHLH1]

I know "your really need to watch more football" is quite passe', but you really need to watch more football!!!!

Luck was on a crapp team that couldn't protect him, and led a terrible team to an 11-5 record and a playoff win. He was an amazing talent saddled w/ the village idiots for an org.

The team was completely Luck dependent. He had to make plays or they lose. Scrapp your stats, dude, they're misleading you on this one.

Luck was solid during the regular season, but there is no other way to look at his 8-game playoff career and see anything other than disappointment: more INTs than TDs, very poor completion percentage, and bad QB rating. Those stats tell the real story.

QBs need to excel in January if they want to be considered great.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Shannon and Skip are just bufoons in this clip.

They are assuming things that aren't there.
Shannon played with Elway, who was about as similar to Lawrence as you can get as far as always being number one but still working hard while having a life perspective.
Certainly, Staubach was that way too.

Well, I think your being Generous here DFW. I mean, I dare you, find one clip where they aren't buffoons and then you are on to something.

 

[kskboys]

Luck was solid during the regular season, but there is no other way to look at his 8-game playoff career and see anything other than disappointment: more INTs than TDs, very poor completion percentage, and bad QB rating. Those stats tell the real story.

QBs need to excel in January if they want to be considered great.

They don't tell the real story. No matter how many times you repeat it.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Not sure what to make of this.....

 

[Jake]

Luck was horrible in the playoffs, which of course is what matters most. He certainly didn’t live up to the expectations that he would be an all-time great.

ANDREW LUCK – POSTSEASON CAREER
8 games (4-4 record)
185-for-328 (56.4%) for 2,254 yards
281.8 yards per game, 6.9 yards per attempt
12 touchdowns
13 interceptions
73.4 passer rating

What is it with this fan base and QBs winning games by themselves? Even Brady doesn't do that. He's had a defense backing him up in every SB season.

Luck's first playoff win was a second half comeback from being down 31-10 at halftime. They won 45-44, despite their horrid defense. They lost to the Patriots the next week, this time giving up 43 points. If you're giving up 40+ points in playoff games that's hardly the fault of your QB.

The next season they won 2 playoff games - something the Cowboys haven't done since the 90s - before losing at New England. Again their defense was shredded, giving up 45 points. His final playoff loss the defense gave up 31 points. So that 4-4 record consists of 3 losses to the eventual SB champion that season, and 3 losses where the opponent scored 31, 43, and 45 points. He actually won a game where the opponent scored 44.

For perspective, the Cowboys have NEVER won a playoff game when the opponent scored 30 or more. Until now, I had no idea that was the QB's fault.

 

[JJHLH1]

What is it with this fan base and QBs winning games by themselves? Even Brady doesn't do that. He's had a defense backing him up in every SB season.

Luck's first playoff win was a second half comeback from being down 31-10 at halftime. They won 45-44, despite their horrid defense. They lost to the Patriots the next week, this time giving up 43 points. If you're giving up 40+ points in playoff games that's hardly the fault of your QB.

The next season they won 2 playoff games - something the Cowboys haven't done since the 90s - before losing at New England. Again their defense was shredded, giving up 45 points. His final playoff loss the defense gave up 31 points. So that 4-4 record consists of 3 losses to the eventual SB champion that season, and 3 losses where the opponent scored 31, 43, and 45 points. He actually won a game where the opponent scored 44.

For perspective, the Cowboys have NEVER won a playoff game when the opponent scored 30 or more. Until now, I had no idea that was the QB's fault.

Was Luck’s defense on the field when he was throwing more interceptions than touchdowns? Or completing only 56% of his passes? What does Luck’s defense have to do with his poor QB rating in the playoffs?

Also, many here would say being down so much in games should make it easier for Luck to boost his stats with garbage time play, so if anything your points makes his dismal playoff stats look even worse.

 

[kskboys]

Was Luck’s defense on the field when he was throwing more interceptions than touchdowns? Or completing only 56% of his passes? What does Luck’s defense have to do with his poor QB rating in the playoffs?

Also, many here would say being down so much in games should make it easier for Luck to boost his stats with garbage time play, so if anything your points makes his dismal playoff stats look even worse.

Actually, yes. When a QB must make plays, he has to force the ball in no matter what. Gone is the luxury of throwing it away and letting the D take over.

Seriously, do you really not know this? Really simple stuff. You must be a very young FF player. Those types generally don't understand the game and get their takes from talking heads.

 

[kskboys]

What is it with this fan base and QBs winning games by themselves? Even Brady doesn't do that. He's had a defense backing him up in every SB season.

Luck's first playoff win was a second half comeback from being down 31-10 at halftime. They won 45-44, despite their horrid defense. They lost to the Patriots the next week, this time giving up 43 points. If you're giving up 40+ points in playoff games that's hardly the fault of your QB.

The next season they won 2 playoff games - something the Cowboys haven't done since the 90s - before losing at New England. Again their defense was shredded, giving up 45 points. His final playoff loss the defense gave up 31 points. So that 4-4 record consists of 3 losses to the eventual SB champion that season, and 3 losses where the opponent scored 31, 43, and 45 points. He actually won a game where the opponent scored 44.

For perspective, the Cowboys have NEVER won a playoff game when the opponent scored 30 or more. Until now, I had no idea that was the QB's fault.

Very well done.

What Luck did was nothing short of amazing w/ the crapp org he was on. Luck would've been a HOFer on a decent team, and most likely would've had a longer career not being beat up so badly.

 

[Flamma]

To be honest, I'd say that many or most football players don't really like playing football. It pays them a lot of money and they're good at it, so they go do it, but they don’t really enjoy it.

I don't think it's the money. I think most players love playing the game, they just hate everything else that comes with it. Mainly practices. You can add training camp and anything else that doesn't involve the actual game. That's what they love.

I absolutely despised everything else besides the game. Especially since most of the practices were drills. I was in top condition and needed none of that. I never minded game planning, but that was maybe a day or two. The rest was conditioning and stupid drills I never needed. So most of my football experience was boring **.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Another concern I have is that the Clemson offense operates entirely out of the shotgun. Will he be able to learn how to take snaps under center?

This is sort of a dying art, but is deadly effective when mastered and opens up a lot of options, particularly playaction. It’s one of the reasons Brady is so effective. Hard to become an all-time great if you can’t do it.

Yeah, he will struggle to learn to stick his hands between another guy's butt and catch the ball when he puts it between his cheeks. SOme people always have to try and find an issue...even if it's ridiculous.

 

[JJHLH1]

Actually, yes. When a QB must make plays, he has to force the ball in no matter what. Gone is the luxury of throwing it away and letting the D take over.

Seriously, do you really not know this? Really simple stuff. You must be a very young FF player. Those types generally don't understand the game and get their takes from talking heads.

The Dak haters would disagree with you. They have constantly argued that Dak’s are stats inflated by “garbage time” padding.

Mind you I disagree with them. If that was true then Dalton and the other backup QBs should also have had stellar stats since they had even more “garbage time” than Dak, but of course we know there was a huge drop-off in production with them.

I think stats are a pretty good indication of how well a QB has played, and 8 playoff games is a large enough sample size from which to draw some conclusions, namely that Luck wasn’t very good when it mattered most and was prone to turn the ball over.

 

[JJHLH1]

Yeah, he will struggle to learn to stick his hands between another guy's butt and catch the ball when he puts it between his cheeks. SOme people always have to try and find an issue...even if it's ridiculous.

Playing under center is more difficult than playing out of the shotgun. It requires good footwork, timing, and pocket presence while stepping back under pressure. These demands are one of the reasons college coaches have tended to go away from having their QBs under center in recent years, favoring the shotgun and spread offenses instead in an attempt to maximize mismatches. It’s less demanding to do so and they can be effective from the beginning, even if that means limiting some of the plays that can be called.

But every NFL QB will need to learn to play under center if they want to succeed.

 

[stinkface]

He will play about 7 or 8 years and get beat up and call it a career. Leave the gun before the end of his second contract with about 100 million in the bank doing Dandruff Shampoo commercials. Will have 3 kids, and one will play QB for Clemson in about 20 years.

 

[DFWJC]

Lawrence was a bit shocked but also not ugly about it.
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Here is his reply

"It seems as if people are misreading my sentiment. I am internally motivated - I love football as much or more than anyone. It is a HUGE priority in my life, obviously. I am driven to be the best I can be, and to maximize my potential. And to WIN. "

"I have a lot of confidence in my work ethic, I love to grind and to chase my goals. You can ask anyone who has been in my life."

"That being said, I am secure in who I am, and what I believe. I don’t need football to make me feel worthy as a person. I purely love the game and everything that comes with it."
The work, the team, the ups and downs. I am a firm believer in the fact that there is a plan for my life and I’m called to be the best I can be at whatever I am doing. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk lol."
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It's just an adult look at life in general....imo.