Tush push defense

[Denim Chicken]

We didn't stop one, but I thought the approach was better than I've seen. The second one had a chance if someone hit Smith over the top

 

[Rockport]

We didn't stop one, but I thought the approach was better than I've seen. The second one had a chance if someone hit Smith over the top

Yeah, the Cowboys played it as well as anyone I’ve seen. It’s tough to stop when the QB gets a head start and then has 3 huge dudes pushing him from the rear as well as Hurts, the center and the guards all pushing. I think it’s going to be outlawed because it gives the offense an unfair advantage. Why other teams aren’t’ doing it I don’t know.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Yeah, the Cowboys played it as well as anyone I’ve seen. It’s tough to stop when the QB gets a head start and then has 3 huge dudes pushing him from the rear as well as Hurts, the center and the guards all pushing. I think it’s going to be outlawed because it gives the offense an unfair advantage. Why other teams aren’t’ doing it I don’t know.

Any team can do it. The team just needs to be willing to use their quarterback that way and the quarterback has to be willing to do it. Dak doesn’t want to run at all, let alone get shoved into defensive linemen.

Every team pushes a ball carrier every game. The Eagles just do it in short yardage situations and aren’t bashful about using Hurts as the ball carrier.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Yeah, the Cowboys played it as well as anyone I’ve seen. It’s tough to stop when the QB gets a head start and then has 3 huge dudes pushing him from the rear as well as Hurts, the center and the guards all pushing. I think it’s going to be outlawed because it gives the offense an unfair advantage. Why other teams aren’t’ doing it I don’t know.

I think other teams aren’t using it because the league has caught up and it’s not really an advantage anymore. Last year the success rate of the tush push was right in line (slightly worse actually) than other 3rd/4th and 1 qb runs.

 

[dupree89]

I think other teams aren’t using it because the league has caught up and it’s not really an advantage anymore. Last year the success rate of the tush push was right in line (slightly worse actually) than other 3rd/4th and 1 qb runs.

remember when the wildcat was a thing?

 

[JohnsKey19]

We didn't stop one, but I thought the approach was better than I've seen. The second one had a chance if someone hit Smith over the top

The first attempt was the best I've seen Dallas defend it. They stopped the initial push and didn't really allow much of a secondary push, if at all.

 

[dogberry]

If chipped football come in play, we might get more accurate spots.

Or at least spots that keep me from grousing excessively!

 

[speedkilz88]

I've seen someone mention they should have the outside guys try to peel off the pushers instead of pull back the QB.

 

[Mikexike]

Easy, us a bench player and aim straight for the qbs helmet no matter where he is at and see if they run it again…..Jk

 

[gimmesix]

We didn't stop one, but I thought the approach was better than I've seen. The second one had a chance if someone hit Smith over the top

Has someone got a replay of the first one? I thought we pulled Hurts back and stopped him short. It looked to me like he got a favorable mark. The official on one side was coming in short of the first-down marker, but changed when he saw the other official coming across at the line.

The defender turned Hurts who had the ball tucked into his body, so where his body reached was not where the ball was at, so I thought he was short.

 

[Praxit]

Yeah, the Cowboys played it as well as anyone I’ve seen. It’s tough to stop when the QB gets a head start and then has 3 huge dudes pushing him from the rear as well as Hurts, the center and the guards all pushing. I think it’s going to be outlawed because it gives the offense an unfair advantage. Why other teams aren’t’ doing it I don’t know.

..outlawed next year.

 

[gimmesix]

I think other teams aren’t using it because the league has caught up and it’s not really an advantage anymore. Last year the success rate of the tush push was right in line (slightly worse actually) than other 3rd/4th and 1 qb runs.

It's just hard to emulate what Hurts does. He keeps himself up by leaning on his linemen and just uses his lower body strength to keep driving. I thought what we did on the first one was the best way to defend Philly's: Turn Hurts' upper body. You're not going to stop his lower-body drive when it's hard to put him on the ground because of the pile of bodies and he and the pushers can just keep going until they get it.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I think other teams aren’t using it because the league has caught up and it’s not really an advantage anymore. Last year the success rate of the tush push was right in line (slightly worse actually) than other 3rd/4th and 1 qb runs.

Is that stat for Philly or league wide? I haven't seen Philly stopped much

 

[Wangchung83]

Yeah, the Cowboys played it as well as anyone I’ve seen. It’s tough to stop when the QB gets a head start and then has 3 huge dudes pushing him from the rear as well as Hurts, the center and the guards all pushing. I think it’s going to be outlawed because it gives the offense an unfair advantage. Why other teams aren’t’ doing it I don’t know.

Other teams dong have a QB ygst squats close to the sane as the linemen. Hurts squats more than any QB in the league, 600 lbs at OU

 

[dupree89]

the solution is to figure out a way to stop it.

 

[Wangchung83]

Has someone got a replay of the first one? I thought we pulled Hurts back and stopped him short. It looked to me like he got a favorable mark. The official on one side was coming in short of the first-down marker, but changed when he saw the other official coming across at the line.

The defender turned Hurts who had the ball tucked into his body, so where his body reached was not where the ball was at, so I thought he was short.

There's one on youtube and he gets it, no by much but def makes line to gain

 

[gimmesix]

There's one on youtube and he gets it, no by much but def makes line to gain

OK, thanks for that. Eyeballing it made me think he was short, but I wasn't absolutely sure.

 

[DuncanIso]

We didn't stop one, but I thought the approach was better than I've seen. The second one had a chance if someone hit Smith over the top

Refs need to enforce the neutral zone.

Phil OL in the neutral zone.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Is that stat for Philly or league wide? I haven't seen Philly stopped much

Philly. They were successful 39 out of 48 attempts last year which is roughly 82%. 2023 they were at 89%. 2022 the data is slightly inconsistent among sources but all have it north of 90%.

Last year all non tush push QB runs on 3rd/4th and short had a roughly 87% success rate. Success meaning converting a first down. So it’s still being stopped at a pretty low rate, but we are not seeing a major difference between this play and what the other 31 teams are running in similar situations.

 

[pansophy]

Philly. They were successful 39 out of 48 attempts last year which is roughly 82%. 2023 they were at 89%. 2022 the data is slightly inconsistent among sources but all have it north of 90%.

Last year all non tush push QB runs on 3rd/4th and short had a roughly 87% success rate. Success meaning converting a first down. So it’s still being stopped at a pretty low rate, but we are not seeing a major difference between this play and what the other 31 teams are running in similar situations.

I don’t have a problem with the play. RBs who start to get piled up a few yards down field end up with OL trying to push the pile forward. Guys aren’t getting hurt on the play. People should either stop them or keep them from short yardage. Other teams try and can’t do it so…