Tyler Smith G/T Tulsa

[Carson]

Sounds like a sleeper first round selection that needs time to develop. 6’6 332lbs that might run under 5.0. He could develop like Orlando Brown did for the Ravens.

Difference is Brown was dominant at the college level. He went multiple seasons without allowing a sack

 

[fivetwos]

Keep in mind the draft isn't just about a player's rookie season, especially players picked after the 1st rd, it about the length of his rookie contract. Question is, can he be coached up, can they develop his potential? La'EL Collins was a mess when he entered the league, but got away with it at times due to his play strength, I think the same could be said about Smith. Taking him is certainly a risk, but he could turn out to be a very good starter down the road, even at Tackle.

I don't disagree, but when the only plan to get better is the draft, we can't go using pick 58 on a project.

That means we add one contributing player at best.

I'm not a fan of having to redshirt high picks. You only have them for four years before you have to either let them go or pay them. There's easily 64 players in college football ready to play in the NFL. Need to find two of them, and that'll wrap up our potential starter additions for the offseason.

Even if we nail the first three picks and all make an impact in 2022, we still aren't getting over the hump, so probably very moot.

 

[RodeoJake]

I've seen him rated from the back end of the 1st to the 3rd. From what I've heard locally, he really could've used another year in college to improve his technique.

 

[Carson]

I've seen him rated from the back end of the 1st to the 3rd. From what I've heard locally, he really could've used another year in college to improve his technique.

I just don’t see a first rounder from him. They must be basing it off potential

 

[Cowboyny]

I don't disagree, but when the only plan to get better is the draft, we can't go using pick 58 on a project.

That means we add one contributing player at best.

I'm not a fan of having to redshirt high picks. You only have them for four years before you have to either let them go or pay them. There's easily 64 players in college football ready to play in the NFL. Need to find two of them, and that'll wrap up our potential starter additions for the offseason.

Even if we nail the first three picks and all make an impact in 2022, we still aren't getting over the hump, so probably very moot.

I understand what you are saying, but don't believe he would be a redshirt player. Their plan would probably be similar to Collins, starter at Guard and eventually move him to Tackle when further developed.

I know it's frustrating cause the front office doesn't use fa whatsoever. The draft process is more about the future then it is about yr 1. If they believe he can replace either starting Tackle in the future, it makes a ton of sense, especially cap wise. Larry Allen was a former 2nd rd pick from a small school that needed development, he turned into a hall of fame player.

 

[Cowboyny]

At 58? Ok. At 24? No. See the bold type above:

Impresses? Not that hard to do. Impress at Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, etc. sure, that's a big plus. At Tulsa?
Will make an offense tougher? Oh I get it, NFL teams' offensive lines are soft and weak, got it.

Hands and feet are CRITICAL to o-line play. One or the other is poor? Okay, few players are perfect. But both?

Cowboys, unless they are going to go with a total teardown and rebuild, don't have time to develop their no. 24 pick....

I'm not saying at 24 at all, more so at 58. Offensive Lineman usually have a steep learning curve on the next level, as they can no longer just be more athletic or stronger then their opponent. Hell, I remember in Tyron's rookie yr, his feet were a total mess and he was the 9th pick in the draft. Such players like Smith, Kinnard, Salyer should all be in reach at 58. Think all 3 would be could prospects to kick inside early on in their careers and eventually move to Tackle. Penning is a similar prospect, but he is more a 1st rd player.

 

[Cowboyny]

Even more so when you consider Refs are pretty conservative with their flags at the college level.

Green also had a high amount of penalties on the college level. Yes, you can attribute to him playing multiple spots, but his lack of technique as well.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I'm not saying at 24 at all, more so at 58. Offensive Lineman usually have a steep learning curve on the next level, as they can no longer just be more athletic or stronger then their opponent. Hell, I remember in Tyron's rookie yr, his feet were a total mess and he was the 9th pick in the draft. Such players like Smith, Kinnard, Salyer should all be in reach at 58. Think all 3 would be could prospects to kick inside early on in their careers and eventually move to Tackle. Penning is a similar prospect, but he is more a 1st rd player.

Smith was named to the All-Rookie team in 2011, hard to see him getting that if his feet were a "mess".

But I'll agree he wasn't the Smith of later years....

 

[Cowboyny]

Smith was named to the All-Rookie team in 2011, hard to see him getting that if his feet were a "mess".

But I'll agree he wasn't the Smith of later years....

I remember Chris Collingsworth saying he couldn't believe how much Tyron footwork improved from when he first saw him at camp until when the actual games started.

 

[fivetwos]

I understand what you are saying, but don't believe he would be a redshirt player. Their plan would probably be similar to Collins, starter at Guard and eventually move him to Tackle when further developed.

I know it's frustrating cause the front office doesn't use fa whatsoever. The draft process is more about the future then it is about yr 1. If they believe he can replace either starting Tackle in the future, it makes a ton of sense, especially cap wise. Larry Allen was a former 2nd rd pick from a small school that needed development, he turned into a hall of fame player.

Oh that changes the whole thing....

If he can start at LG this year then it's fine. Maybe I misread something. I know nothing about him.

Overall it's just frustrating that they annually count on rookies to make an impact in order to improve.

Doubly frustrating when you consider why.

Back to the moment.....if we land a C/LG and a DE/LB with picks 24 and 58 they will likely start on the 2022 team. Throw in a TE in the 3rd and that's about as good as we can hope for.

I will never be convinced that shoehorning position with round and need isn't asking for long term trouble, but they dont really have a choice....so I would expect the board to conveniently fall that way lol.

Then Jerry tells us they had that player ranked a round higher......predictable.

 

[Cowboyny]

Oh that changes the whole thing....

If he can start at LG this year then it's fine. Maybe I misread something. I know nothing about him.

Overall it's just frustrating that they annually count on rookies to make an impact in order to improve.

Doubly frustrating when you consider why.

Back to the moment.....if we land a C/LG and a DE/LB with picks 24 and 58 they will likely start on the 2022 team. Throw in a TE in the 3rd and that's about as good as we can hope for.

I will never be convinced that shoehorning position with round and need isn't asking for long term trouble, but they dont really have a choice....so I would expect the board to conveniently fall that way lol.

Then Jerry tells us they had that player ranked a round higher......predictable.

In my opinion, if you read the tea leaves, they are going to draft a Tackle and kick him inside at Guard. They are going to draft a starting caliber WR and TE. I have found or heard little about defensive prospects they are interested in thus far in the off-season.

 

[fivetwos]

In my opinion, if you read the tea leaves, they are going to draft a Tackle and kick him inside at Guard. They are going to draft a starting caliber WR and TE. I have found or heard little about defensive prospects they are interested in thus far in the off-season.

Yes, I dont know if there's a true match for a DE/edge at 24 unless Johnson slips a bit.

I'd prefer not to reach for one considering the depth this year.

I think Dean is special, and also a guy that will rise and not be an option.

I like the versatility of Zion Johnson, and I think the team will as well.

Starting to think he is the most likely pick at 24, assuming Green is gone.

If there's any silver lining, with what's likely to happen cuts wise and given the current state of affairs....we likely need starters at interior OL, TE and LB.

Not impossible to pull off picking late in rounds 1-3.

Realistically, with the cap situation, guys from last years draft are going to very much need to step it up this year....which often tends to happen after a full offseason with the team....if it's going to at all.

Not just Joseph.....dudes like Wright, Golston, OO, Ball, Mookie..etc. A couple of them need to be more than just ST and backups if we are to be better than the team that wasn't good enough in 2021.

 

[Cowboyny]

Yes, I dont know if there's a true match for a DE/edge at 24 unless Johnson slips a bit.

I'd prefer not to reach for one considering the depth this year.

I think Dean is special, and also a guy that will rise and not be an option.

I like the versatility of Zion Johnson, and I think the team will as well.

Starting to think he is the most likely pick at 24, assuming Green is gone.

If there's any silver lining, with what's likely to happen cuts wise and given the current state of affairs....we likely need starters at interior OL, TE and LB.

Not impossible to pull off picking late in rounds 1-3.

Realistically, with the cap situation, guys from last years draft are going to very much need to step it up this year....which often tends to happen after a full offseason with the team....if it's going to at all.

Not just Joseph.....dudes like Wright, Golston, OO, Ball, Mookie..etc. A couple of them need to be more than just ST and backups if we are to be better than the team that wasn't good enough in 2021.

I think a realistic draft expectation picking late each rd is finding 2 day 1 starters.

 

[fivetwos]

I think a realistic draft expectation picking late each rd is finding 2 day 1 starters.

Yes, and if that's all it amounts to in the long run its still a good draft.

That's why I moan over the strategy, but separate debate for certain.

 

[Cowboyny]

Yes, and if that's all it amounts to in the long run its still a good draft.

That's why I moan over the strategy, but separate debate for certain.

It's certainly more challenging when you don't have a top 10 pick every rd like last yr.

 

[Plankton]

16 penalties. That's insane.

Watch us take him over guys like Kinnard and Salyer

A true plug and play replacement for Connor Williams then.

 

[tyke1doe]

16 penalties?

He'd feel right at home on the Cowboys line.

With the 24th pick in the draft ...