UCLA S, Rahim Moore in the 2nd Round?

[realtick]

The only way our first pick is a DB, in my opinion, is if we can get Peterson. I think the Cowboys would be drafting him to play FS, too.

I think that otherwise, we go DL/OL 1-2.

Bingo.

 

[realtick]

Moore is a fundementally sound tackler, he simply needs work in the weight room.

[youtube]Im2SZjMaO2A[/youtube]

 

[The Realist]

Oh I think he'll be there at 40 and if we don't take him I'm gonna be yelling at the TV. Loved what I saw of him in the drills... give me J.J. Watt in round 1 and Moore in round 2 and I am a happy camper. This is assuming we can't get Peterson of course.....

This is exactly what I'm thinking right now.

Then you can still grab Ziemba LG/RT, and DeMarcus Love RG in 3-4. Steve Schilling is another good looking guard.

 

[burmafrd]

it is all about value
the drop off between him and a healthy D. williams is negligible

here is what i would do:

pick OL/CB/LB in 2nd (in place of moore)
trade down in 3 (gain extra 4th or 5th)
pick d. williams in late 3rd

much better value than picking moore in 2

it never ceases to amaze me that the same people *****ing and moaning about our OL all season are now talking about picking DBs with our top 2 picks (although i would not be surprised if JJ does exactly that).

That is where so many so called internet experts blow it. Value is nothing versus getting the players you need to win. Someone worrying about value skipping a player that will get the job done is moronic. what does it matter as long as you pick good players that play well?

 

[AZ_Cowboys_Fan]

I agree 100%. Lets say we don't take Watt and he goes 7-8 picks later and ends up being a great player. People need to stop worrying about value.... besides, I don't see it as a huge reach taking him at #9. If we can trade down and still get him fine.

As an example.... in the 2005 draft just about every team ahead of us probably wishes they had picked Demarcus Ware instead of being concerned with whether or not he was a good value pick.

That is where so many so called internet experts blow it. Value is nothing versus getting the players you need to win. Someone worrying about value skipping a player that will get the job done is moronic. what does it matter as long as you pick good players that play well?

 

[casmith07]

Moore is a fundementally sound tackler, he simply needs work in the weight room.

[youtube]Im2SZjMaO2A[/youtube]

Not terribly agressive. Lots of JOP tackles (jump on pile).

He'll need to get bigger. Playing in the Pac-10 is a lot different from the Big XII or SEC.

Then again, not too many people tackle fundamentally in football anymore. Just a lot of body blocks and collisions. That's why I like Ras-I Dowling. Wrap-up tackler.

 

[realtick]

Not terribly agressive. Lots of JOP tackles (jump on pile).

He'll need to get bigger. Playing in the Pac-10 is a lot different from the Big XII or SEC.

Then again, not too many people tackle fundamentally in football anymore. Just a lot of body blocks and collisions. That's why I like Ras-I Dowling. Wrap-up tackler.

Not sure how much of that video you watched; there was some of what you were saying, but there were more than a few nice wrap up tackles in space.

 

[te0002]

Not terribly agressive. Lots of JOP tackles (jump on pile).

He'll need to get bigger. Playing in the Pac-10 is a lot different from the Big XII or SEC.

Then again, not too many people tackle fundamentally in football anymore. Just a lot of body blocks and collisions. That's why I like Ras-I Dowling. Wrap-up tackler.

Agree w/you and that's why I think the Cowboys can wait on him. Dowling had a lot of people talking - but for the worng reasons. He hurt himself (hamstring) at the combine, and this after missing time w/a broken ankle. Not a good start.

 

[TheFinisher]

Rahim Moore wouldn't have even been a 3rd round pick last year. Some team is gonna reach for him because this S class is terrible, just hope it ain't us.

 

[Gaede]

This safety class is pure garbage.

 

[supercowboy8]

This safety class is pure garbage.

I think if you count Prince, Peterson, and Aaron Williams this is a pretty damn good class.
I wish Earl thomas would have stayed in school for one more year.

 

[Gaede]

I think if you count Prince, Peterson, and Aaron Williams this is a pretty damn good class.
I wish Earl thomas would have stayed in school for one more year.

sure, while we're at it, let's throw in Fairley, Dareus and Jordan and the S class is one for the ages

 

[casmith07]

Agree w/you and that's why I think the Cowboys can wait on him. Dowling had a lot of people talking - but for the worng reasons. He hurt himself (hamstring) at the combine, and this after missing time w/a broken ankle. Not a good start.

He just broke his ankle in November. I said before he's never really had a chance to heal fully.

With some rest, I think he can be fine. He played with nagging injuries his senior season which led to others.

Mike Woicik can get him healthy!

 

[YosemiteSam]

sure, while we're at it, let's throw in Fairley, Dareus and Jordan and the S class is one for the ages

This response has no substance. supercowboy8's did. There have been predictions of both Peterson and Prince moving to safety.

 

[Gaede]

This response has no substance. supercowboy8's did. There have been predictions of both Peterson and Prince moving to safety.

No. I don't care who may eventually be a safety down the line. I'm talking about the guys who played safety that are in this draft. It's a weak awful garbage class. Bottom line. And who's to say those two guys would be any good at safety anyways? What, because they're so good at their current position that that necessarily means they'll be all-pro at an all new position they haven't played before?

No, I'm not buying that because that's theoretical. What's not theoretical is the fact that this safety class--not DB class, not CB/S class--is not good. So my post stands.
And your post has no substance.

 

[supercowboy8]

sure, while we're at it, let's throw in Fairley, Dareus and Jordan and the S class is one for the ages

thats shows you intelligence. Peterson and Prince and even Aaron Williams have been talked about playing safety. Peterson even said he wouldn't mind playing FS in the NFL at the combine.
Get your facts and info straight before you comment next time.

 

[supercowboy8]

No. I don't care who may eventually be a safety down the line. I'm talking about the guys who played safety that are in this draft. It's a weak awful garbage class. Bottom line. And who's to say those two guys would be any good at safety anyways? What, because they're so good at their current position that that necessarily means they'll be all-pro at an all new position they haven't played before?

No, I'm not buying that because that's theoretical. What's not theoretical is the fact that this safety class--not DB class, not CB/S class--is not good. So my post stands.
And your post has no substance.

if you know anything about football and have watched them play then you can see they can both make a easy transfer to safety.

Also Rahim moore is just as good if not better in coverage as Patrick Chung, Louis Delmas, and Nate Allen were, all were 2nd round picks. This safety class might not have top tier talent but it does have some very good players.

 

[Gaede]

thats shows you intelligence. Peterson and Prince and even Aaron Williams have been talked about playing safety. Peterson even said he wouldn't mind playing FS in the NFL at the combine.
Get your facts and info straight before you comment next time.

I know they have. What I am saying--and this is really really really simple so I don't know why there is an argument--is that the players in the 2011 draft, who played safety in college, are not good prospects. That's it.

 

[supercowboy8]

I know they have. What I am saying--and this is really really really simple so I don't know why there is an argument--is that the players in the 2011 draft, who played safety in college, are not good prospects. That's it.

Quinten Carter looks like a damn good SS, Rahim Moore looks like a ball hawking FS. Robert Sands will be a good inbox SS, McDaniel will too. Also Deuanta Williams I think is on the same line as Carter, not as big of a hitter but will be a good SS in Ryan 3-4.

 

[realtick]

I know they have. What I am saying--and this is really really really simple so I don't know why there is an argument--is that the players in the 2011 draft, who played safety in college, are not good prospects. That's it.

I would agree that this year's safety class is not a strong one.