UFC 113 Shogun vs Machida 2
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NeOnDeioN;3418825 said:
He has A LOT to prove before he deserves a title shot when Sokoudjou is the best fighter he's faced in 3 years which isn't saying much specially considering that he lost that fight in just 23 seconds. The last decent fighter he faced was actually Shogun 5 years ago (lost that one as well). No one outside of the people doing the promotion for Strikeforce thinks very highly of Overheem so i wouldn't even bother throwing that name out there. Only win that stands out is Henderson and that was also 5 years ago.
He has to beat a Evans, Rampage or Machida type fighter before his name should even be mentioned for a title shot
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NeOnDeioN;3418780 said::laugh2: :laugh2:
HAAHAHAHAAH did u read everything i just justified... wow "How unbelievably wrong you where
lol where?? you can't even spell let alone know mma kid hahahahahaha... did you even watch PRIDE or did just start watching ufc this year?
Justified?
Oh you mean how you conviently came up with the tried and true method of blaming a loss on being injuried prior to the fight?
Gee I wonder how many other times I've heard that excuse after someone loses. Tito Ortiz has only been using it for every one of his losses for the last 6 years.
But, yeah, I'm sure we're supposed to take you're 'expert advice' on MMA.
Right.
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NeOnDeioN;3418825 said:
Never, ever, ever for any reason, ever, try and place Lil Nog in the same breath as Shogun, Anderson or George ever again.
You're 'top 3 LHW' in the world showed last night that he's not even a top 3 LHW in the UFC, let alone the world.
Way to show how completely ignorant you are when it comes to MMA.
Take your own advice you gave everyone else and learn the sport before you return here to try and tell others what they need to learn.
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BraveHeartFan;3419581 said:
Shoguns words
"I believe every fight is tough, but the fights with Lyoto and Minotoro were the toughest I had. Fans want that fight Rogerio again and I think we're going to meet each other again. Minotoro is a guy I respect a lot and we talk often. Nobody can be underestimated, he is at the top of the category, and he has proved that. I'm sure that fight will happen soon."
The two first faced off in Pride Fighting Championship in the middleweight tournament, where Shogun won the fight via decision and then ended up winning that tournament. Many people consider this fight to be one of the best fights in MMA history as it had everything from technical ground game to a stand up slug fest.
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Originally Posted by BraveHeartFan
Never, ever, ever for any reason, ever, try and place Lil Nog in the same breath as Shogun, Anderson or George ever again.
Tell shogun that or maybe anderson silva who got trained by lil nog 2 days a week with stand up boxing
Never, ever, ever for any reason, ever, try and place Lil Nog in the same breath as Shogun, Anderson or George ever again.
Tell shogun that
or maybe anderson silva who got trained by lil nog 2 days a week with stand up boxing
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He was just gifted a win over a nobody and you're still running your mouth about how great he is?
If it's one thing the Nog's have always been good at it's grinding out a decision loss when they're outmatched, he did that 5 years ago against Shogun and you somehow think that entitles him to a title shot? After his pitiful display against Brilz, a guy who took the fight on 4 weeks notice he shouldn't have his name even mentioned anywhere near the top at 205. If not for some very generous judges he'd be on the undercard next time, he should send them flowers for that one
I don't know why i even bothered replying to this, his last fight speaks for it self.
If it's one thing the Nog's have always been good at it's grinding out a decision loss when they're outmatched, he did that 5 years ago against Shogun and you somehow think that entitles him to a title shot? After his pitiful display against Brilz, a guy who took the fight on 4 weeks notice he shouldn't have his name even mentioned anywhere near the top at 205. If not for some very generous judges he'd be on the undercard next time, he should send them flowers for that one
I don't know why i even bothered replying to this, his last fight speaks for it self.
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Ren;3420878 said:He was just gifted a win over a nobody and you're still running your mouth about how great he is?
If it's one thing the Nog's have always been good at it's grinding out a decision loss when they're outmatched, he did that 5 years ago against Shogun and you somehow think that entitles him to a title shot? After his pitiful display against Brilz, a guy who took the fight on 4 weeks notice he shouldn't have his name even mentioned anywhere near the top at 205. If not for some very generous judges he'd be on the undercard next time, he should send them flowers for that one
I don't know why i even bothered replying to this, his last fight speaks for it self.
grinded out a loss?
I guess shogun is lying with the quotes that you just read from him????
The fight in 2005 against shogun was one of the best PRIDE fights of ALL-TIME, he smashed dan henderson in his prime... beat overeem twice knocked his *** out once..Vladimir Matyushenko beat him up.. he's one of the best in the divison, smashed Sakuraba. You think it's easy to come up with a game plan for a new person in four weeks? I'm sure britz had something to prove and really prepared for the fight.. he did a great job I give him credit and I'm sure he will move up.. but he lost the fight, anyone that knows MMA will tell you that a loss is a loss... shogun got smashed by forrest griffin.. hmm your not bringing that up
here's the bottom line.. Machida knows if he fought rogerio which more than likely wouldn't ever happen because they train together.. Machida would have the hardest time.. and you read what shogun said
"Nobody can be underestimated, he is at the top of the category, and he has proved that"
Ask yourself a real question Rashad Evans just smashed rampage... Rashad Evans looked like a rag doll against Machida.. Do you really think Evans would give Shogun a better fight than Rogerio?
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You're trying to bring op fights from 5 years ago like what happened 5 years ago means anything now, his latest preference speaks for it self. Guess we should juts go ahead and hand Vanderlei Silva the MW belt then since 5 years ago no one could beat him
Shogun said some good thing about him, great, how does that change what happened on Saturday?
Yes, Shogun lost to Griffin, so what? i'm not bringing that up now because it's irrelevant Shogun is the champ now he's proven him self since then, Nog hasn't, until he beats a top fighter at 205 he'll remain the guy who lasted 23 seconds against a UFC washout, Saturdays fight didn't do him any favors in erasing that from peoples memories
Doesn't matter what i think Evans' chances are against Shogun either cause Evans has earned that title shot. A win over Rampage is a hell of a lot more impressive then a questionable split decision over a replacement fighter hardly anyone has ever heard of.
Nog hasn't fought anyone relevant since the Sokoudjou fight, he had a chance to make an impression on Saturday against a 205 bottom feeder and failed miserably. The results speak for them selves.
Shogun said some good thing about him, great, how does that change what happened on Saturday?
Yes, Shogun lost to Griffin, so what? i'm not bringing that up now because it's irrelevant Shogun is the champ now he's proven him self since then, Nog hasn't, until he beats a top fighter at 205 he'll remain the guy who lasted 23 seconds against a UFC washout, Saturdays fight didn't do him any favors in erasing that from peoples memories
Doesn't matter what i think Evans' chances are against Shogun either cause Evans has earned that title shot. A win over Rampage is a hell of a lot more impressive then a questionable split decision over a replacement fighter hardly anyone has ever heard of.
Nog hasn't fought anyone relevant since the Sokoudjou fight, he had a chance to make an impression on Saturday against a 205 bottom feeder and failed miserably. The results speak for them selves.
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Ren;3421056 said:
:laugh2: Yes Shogun said he was and is the hardest oppenent he's ever fought... look at nogs resume far more superior than rashad evans... like he said any day someone can come out with a great plan.. You say it doesnt matter 5 years ago but then u say he ALMOST lost the fight.... come on kid.. he won the fight a win is a win.. not too mention Lyoto Machida would never want to fight rogerio because he actually said he was better than him... and Nog and Rua had the best fight ever in MMA history argubaly.. you must be one of those guys that have never even watched PRIDE or heard of it, so u see a couple lidell fights and see UFC and jump on the bandwaggon:laugh2:
Rashad Evans earned a title shot because he beat Rampage who got beat down by shogun, Rashad Evans got SMASHED by Machida it was Sad watching that.. and he earned a title shot?? :laugh2:
Lil nog has won 6 straight a knockout win vs luiz cane recently...get real
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NeOnDeioN;3421073 said:
Seriously, do us all a favor and just go away, I can literally feel my IQ drop every time i read one of your god awful posts
You wanna compare who Rashad has beat in the last 3 years to the list of no names Nog has beaten since Soko, really? :laugh2:
You keep going back to your little but, but, but, "<insert name> said" argument which means absolutely nothing when the results don't back it up, A split decision (a VERY questionable split decision) against Brilz and you're trying to convince your self that he deserves a title shot more then Evans, you're completely ********.
If he has to rely on a judges gift to get past Brilz then the debate about whether or not he should get a title shot is over until he proves otherwise, nothing Shogun, Machida or anyways else says is gonna change that, neither will a 5 year old win over Henderson
I really wish there was a age limit to sign up for these forums
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Ren;3421130 said:Seriously, do us all a favor and just go away, I can literally feel my IQ drop every time i read one of your god awful posts
You wanna compare who Rashad has beat in the last 3 years to the list of no names Nog has beaten since Soko, really? :laugh2:
You keep going back to your little but, but, but, "<insert name> said" argument which means absolutely nothing when the results don't back it up, A split decision (a VERY questionable split decision) against Brilz and you're trying to convince your self that he deserves a title shot more then Evans, you're completely ********.
If he has to rely on a judges gift to get past Brilz then the debate about whether or not he should get a title shot is over until he proves otherwise, nothing Shogun, Machida or anyways else says is gonna change that, neither will a 5 year old win over Henderson
I really wish there was a age limit to sign up for these forums
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