Upgrade the O-line? Here's something puzzling.

[bsheeern]

So most here want a completely new O-line with the exception of Free and somewhat Gurode.

So what team in the NFL gives up the most sacks? Stats aren't the end all of discussions but It might surprise you as to which teams are at and near the top.

Do we really need an overhaul or just better coaching?

 

[Meat-O-Rama]

Sacks are only one facet in determining an o-lines performance. Especially with a QB who is more adept than most at escaping pressure.

 

[skinsscalper]

So most here want a completely new O-line with the exception of Free and somewhat Gurode.

So what team in the NFL gives up the most sacks? Stats aren't the end all of discussions but It might surprise you as to which teams are at and near the top.

Do we really need an overhaul or just better coaching?

As said before, sacks are only part of the equation. Did you happen to see where we rank in YPC in the rushing game? That is far more telling IMO.

 

[bsheeern]

One of the teams in the superbowl has had their QB hit 78 times and sacked 43 times. Both are in the bottom 3rd of the NFL.

 

[bsheeern]

As said before, sacks are only part of the equation. Did you happen to see where we rank in YPC in the rushing game? That is far more telling IMO.

Yes. Better than both of the teams in the superbowl. One team was in the lower 3rd if the nfl in ypc. Oneteam also had way more carries for negative yards than we did. By a wide margin at that, meaning double the amount.

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't want to take a OL with the #9 pick because there is no blue chip OL player in this draft. I do think they need to try and get a C or G with #40 if there is a good one available.

 

[burmafrd]

Just shows how important a great Defense can be. The Ravens won with a mediocre O and a great D. So did the Bucs. The number of teams that won with a great O and a mediocre D is significantly less. NO is the only one I can remember. Even the Rams the year they won had a top D. Indy the year they won the D played better than it had all year - played its best then.

 

[sonnyboy]

Yes. Better than both of the teams in the superbowl. One team was in the lower 3rd if the nfl in ypc. Oneteam also had way more carries for negative yards than we did. By a wide margin at that, meaning double the amount.

Gross numbers can be misleading. Roth and Rodgers hang on to the ball forever.

You have to look past the numbers.

Our OL was well below average. Just look at our short yardage run game and red zone run game production.

Not saying we have no other needs. We need a new FS for certain.

But outside of that, I'd plow just about all our draft resources into the OL. Free is our only young high quality starter.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Do we really need an overhaul or just better coaching?

We need a new RT and ROT and better coaching.

 

[gimmesix]

So most here want a completely new O-line with the exception of Free and somewhat Gurode.

So what team in the NFL gives up the most sacks? Stats aren't the end all of discussions but It might surprise you as to which teams are at and near the top.

Do we really need an overhaul or just better coaching?

First, I don't think most here think it's realistic to replace 3 of 5 starters in one season. One, possibly two, new starter(s) is more realistic.

Second, the offensive line did play better overall when Dallas changed its practice habits ... so that should give us hope for next season with just the one or two changes. The Cowboys have big maulers who need things like practicing in pads to prepare for the speed of the game on Sundays.

This line has good power, but has needed for the past few seasons to get quicker. Free was a step in the right direction. Colombo, Davis and Gurode are all players with limited movement skills, and Dallas needs to begin phasing them out.

 

[sonnyboy]

]First, I don't think most here think it's realistic to replace 3 of 5 starters in one season.[/B] One, possibly two, new starter(s) is more realistic.

Second, the offensive line did play better overall when Dallas changed its practice habits ... so that should give us hope for next season with just the one or two changes. The Cowboys have big maulers who need things like practicing in pads to prepare for the speed of the game on Sundays.

This line has good power, but has needed for the past few seasons to get quicker. Free was a step in the right direction. Colombo, Davis and Gurode are all players with limited movement skills, and Dallas needs to begin phasing them out.

That does sound crazy.
But I guess it's all relative. Better is better. And if we find three guys better than say Koiser, Davis and Columbo at those positons, than so be it.

 

[sago1]

Believe replacing RG & RT is major priority. If CBA signed & we got enough cap room after some cuts, should sign Mankins to play RG & draft BPA at RT. Would resign Kosier for 2 year extension but no more. Anyway, we also must draft a C/OG to prepare to replace either Kosier & Gurode within another year or so.

 

[burmafrd]

Believe replacing RG & RT is major priority. If CBA signed & we got enough cap room after some cuts, should sign Mankins to play RG & draft BPA at RT. Would resign Kosier for 2 year extension but no more. Anyway, we also must draft a C/OG to prepare to replace either Kosier & Gurode within another year or so.

I like that

 

[ElGatoGrande]

:horse:

Sure, with a new RT and more physical practices this group can aspire to reach "average" like they were 2 years ago but they would still get their collective arse handed to them by the better defenses,,, and that's only if these old farts can survive the physical practices. This OL needs at least two ready-to-play new starters and some quality youth in development just to be competitive.

 

[burmafrd]

an older line will wear down more by the end of the season and be at its worse in the playoffs against the best defenses.

 

[starchamber]

So most here want a completely new O-line with the exception of Free and somewhat Gurode.

So what team in the NFL gives up the most sacks? Stats aren't the end all of discussions but It might surprise you as to which teams are at and near the top.

Do we really need an overhaul or just better coaching?

This is not not a good example for your argument. Mike Martz's offense is mostly responsible for Chicago's offensive line leading the NFL in sacks.

 

[gimmesix]

Believe replacing RG & RT is major priority. If CBA signed & we got enough cap room after some cuts, should sign Mankins to play RG & draft BPA at RT. Would resign Kosier for 2 year extension but no more. Anyway, we also must draft a C/OG to prepare to replace either Kosier & Gurode within another year or so.

OK, so we re-sign Kosier at LG, which probably won't come as cheaply as some think because Miami will want him. Then we cut Davis, absorbing that cap hit along with signing probably the most expensive free agent lineman on the market. Then, we draft a RT, probably in the second round since none appear worthy of a first-round pick, and expect him to immediately step in and replace Colombo.

The only way for such a plan to work would be in a perfect world.

In a perfect world, Kosier signs a cheap, short-term deal to stay with the Cowboys instead of seeking one last big payday before riding off into retirement.

In a perfect world, Dallas would ditch a guy it's paying big money to replace him with another free agent who would cost them even bigger money.

In a perfect world, a second-round right tackle absolutely can be counted on to step in as a starter.

I'm not against the plan, mind you, I just don't think it's realistic. I believe we'll upgrade Kosier because he's a free agent, then draft competition for Colombo and Davis, and/or bring in cheap vets to challenge them. If Dallas does more than that, I'll be happy. I just don't see any reason to expect it to happen.

 

[percyhoward]

So most here want a completely new O-line with the exception of Free and somewhat Gurode.

So what team in the NFL gives up the most sacks? Stats aren't the end all of discussions but It might surprise you as to which teams are at and near the top.

Do we really need an overhaul or just better coaching?

We keep in a lot of extra blockers to protect out QB. Instead of Colombo or Davis picking up the pass rush, it's often a 2nd TE or (ouch) fullback. Or Witten.

Pittsburgh and Green Bay don't keep in as many extra blockers, which puts their QBs in more danger, but with their defenses being that good, it's a risk they're willing to take.

It also means they have more guys out running patterns.

 

[SSGMIKE]

Like Romo don't hold the ball either? The O-Line have issue but also think Garrett and Romo play calling didn't help the issue either...... It not like Garrett commit to the running game until the end of the season, but was it Romo checking out of the running game or Garrett not calling the running plays

Gross numbers can be misleading. Roth and Rodgers hang on to the ball forever.

You have to look past the numbers.

Our OL was well below average. Just look at our short yardage run game and red zone run game production.

Not saying we have no other needs. We need a new FS for certain.

But outside of that, I'd plow just about all our draft resources into the OL. Free is our only young high quality starter.

 

[The Emperor]

Like Romo don't hold the ball either? The O-Line have issue but also think Garrett and Romo play calling didn't help the issue either...... It not like Garrett commit to the running game until the end of the season, but was it Romo checking out of the running game or Garrett not calling the running plays

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