Vela: Can Greg Grump His Way Back to the Pro Bowl?

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Can Greg Grump His Way Back to the Pro Bowl?

Greg Ellis has been bad at recognizing what’s good for him the past two years.

He complained vehemently when Bill Parcells pulled a Willie McGinnest and moved the career-long 4-3 end to 3-4 OLB in ‘06. Ellis told any press member who would listen that he had misgivings, then adapted with amazing speed and was Dallas best rusher that year until he tore an Achilles tendon in the ninth game of the season.

Last year he complained about a lack of respect and expressed a desire to be traded. Jerry Jones mollified Ellis by settling the veteran’s insurance policy. Ellis then produced his career year, notching 12.5 sacks in just thirteen games, ten of them starts.

The adrenaline in the Cowboys’ locker room was still flowing after the Giants loss when Ellis lodged his latest complaint, saying rookie Anthony Spencer was going to be great and Ellis didn’t know if he had a future with the team.

Given the direct ratio of whining-to-sacks, what I’ll call the WHEI (Whining by Ellis Index) Greg is probably looking at another trip to Honolulu. The Cowboys developed a rotation with Spencer and Ellis late in the season, one that took full form in the playoff loss to the Giants.

In that game, Dallas used Spencer opposite Demarcus Ware on first and second downs, and inserted Ellis on sure passing downs. In two minute warning situations, or in late game situations where Dallas went to a four man line, Ellis stayed in the game and played end.

I imagine Dallas will use this rotation a lot more this year. Spencer showed strength at the point of attack against New York, beating Kevin Boss on most of his matchups and turning all plays towards him inside. The Giants got a couple of decent runs around the perimeter, but they came against Ware, not the rookie.

This means Ellis might get fewer starts on the stats charts but will be much fresher in passing situations. He’ll likely complain, but will also probably continue with his Jim Jeffcoat impersonation. That long-time Cowboy enjoyed great late- career success as a situational rusher; his vast repertoire of moves was a great change up from the speed of Tony Tolbert, whom Jeffcoat often spelled in ‘92, ‘93 and ‘94.

Ellis has one of the better rush repertoires in today’s game. I discussed him with Espn.com’s K.C. Joyner when he wrote a story comparing top rushers from the ’80s and ’90s to those of today. Joyner said this about Ellis:

It’s funny that you mention Ellis. I was very close to making him one of top five because of his varied use of pass rush techniques. I had no idea he was working to help Ware but Ware couldn’t ask for a better teacher.

Oh sure, Greg will complain about playing time. He’ll complain about not fitting in. Then, he’ll give Spencer and Ware more pointers. And then he’ll probably grump his way to a 15-sack season.

Okay, Greg, you’ve finally won me over. You’re the Lou Holtz of pass rushers, constantly poor mouthing your talents while you excel. I concede. I’ve been your hardest critic the last two years, but I’m calling off my complaints. Forgive me for not understanding your novel ways.

Too bad WHEI won’t work in my life. Somehow I can’t see complaining my way to love and respect from my kids or my girlfriend or my colleagues or my readers… Some guys just have it all figured out I guess. Maybe we could form an Ellis cheering section at the games, or here on the blog?

I’m putting in to be the Chairman of “Greg’s Grumpies!” Anybody want to second my nomination?
 

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I am all ready for Ellis to be used less and for Spencer to get more time on first and second down, just as long as all three are on the field when third down rolls around.

That scenario gives Spencer playing time to develop the little things and it keeps Ellis fresh for a nice playoff run.
 

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..you can tell it's the off-season.

..lame articles coming out of the walls with these writers.

Bashing, poking, prodding, probbing, requoting, re-hashing..

..for something substantive to write about and all this guy writes about is Ellis and his being vocal about past concerns..?

Yikes.

Please move along folks..nothing to read here..

..that's it, please keep moving..

..that's it..

thank you.


:starspin ReDBall ExPreSS :starspin
 

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Between Ware, Ellis, and Spencer we have 3 great pass rushers that give eachother breaks to stay fresh. It's looking good!
 

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rusteezcuz;2084929 said:
Between Ware, Ellis, and Spencer we have 3 great pass rushers that give eachother breaks to stay fresh. It's looking good!

I agree. I want as many guys as we can get to be able to put pressure on opposing QB's.
 

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Redball Express;2082381 said:
..you can tell it's the off-season.

..lame articles coming out of the walls with these writers.

Bashing, poking, prodding, probbing, requoting, re-hashing..

..for something substantive to write about and all this guy writes about is Ellis and his being vocal about past concerns..?

Yikes.

Please move along folks..nothing to read here..

..that's it, please keep moving..

..that's it..

thank you.


:starspin ReDBall ExPreSS :starspin

You don't think the issue of what to do with the Ellis vs Spencer situation is relevant as we prepare for next season?

I think it would be easy for Wade to just give in to Ellis and let him play wherever and whenever he wants because he's coming off his best season ever, but the development of last seasons #1 draft pick is very important as well.

I doubt Jerry and us fans want to see yet another first round LB waiting around for a chance to make some plays and get into the starting lineup.

I just hope Wade can find a way to make sure we get the best of Ellis in 2008, which may just be his last hurrah, and also make sure Spencer is used enough so that he can be ready to start on a full time basis in 2009.

As for Ellis being vocal it's a concern because in all of this we have to see where Wade goes with it when camp comes. That's when we may see the 'Ellis we wish would just shut up' if he isn't willing to play a specialist role this season.
 

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dcfanatic;2082365 said:
I am all ready for Ellis to be used less and for Spencer to get more time on first and second down, just as long as all three are on the field when third down rolls around.

That scenario gives Spencer playing time to develop the little things and it keeps Ellis fresh for a nice playoff run.

I want to see Ellis moved back to DE where he belongs and let Spencer and Ware rush the passer.
 

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dcfanatic;2084989 said:
You don't think the issue of what to do with the Ellis vs Spencer situation is relevant as we prepare for next season?

I think it would be easy for Wade to just give in to Ellis and let him play wherever and whenever he wants because he's coming off his best season ever, but the development of last seasons #1 draft pick is very important as well.

I doubt Jerry and us fans want to see yet another first round LB waiting around for a chance to make some plays and get into the starting lineup.

I just hope Wade can find a way to make sure we get the best of Ellis in 2008, which may just be his last hurrah, and also make sure Spencer is used enough so that he can be ready to start on a full time basis in 2009.

As for Ellis being vocal it's a concern because in all of this we have to see where Wade goes with it when camp comes. That's when we may see the 'Ellis we wish would just shut up' if he isn't willing to play a specialist role this season.


I'm sure both Ellis and Spencer will see ample playing time. How that time is split I think will come down to production the Cowboys are out to win and if Spencer is producing I'm sure he will see his number of snaps increased. As for Ellis despite coming off an injury from the 2006 season and going into the 2007 season with no pre-season as well as missing the 1st 3 games of the year he managed to come up with the best season of his career with 12.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles and it Greg can come in this year and continue to produce then if would be foolish to have him riding the bench.
 

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Greg is never happy, whines like a little girl, and is getting old...too many negatives for a backup in the coming year. I wish Dallas would have traded him during the draft to someone. Spencer is ready to step in as the starter and Greg is not worth the high maintenance...

And while they are at it, get rid of R. Williams as well. Our defense automatically improves when Roy is gone....teams can no longer target our weakest link (Roy) on defense.
 

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Yeagermeister;2084993 said:
I want to see Ellis moved back to DE where he belongs and let Spencer and Ware rush the passer.
I kinda agree. Throughout his career, Ellis has been strong against the run, but he built that rep as a 4-3 defensive end. If he were to make the move to 3-4 defensive end, it's way past time to strap on the feedbag. He'll need at least a 40 pound increase to make that switch.
 

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CountryBoy1;2085089 said:
Greg is never happy, whines like a little girl, and is getting old...too many negatives for a backup in the coming year. I wish Dallas would have traded him during the draft to someone. Spencer is ready to step in as the starter and Greg is not worth the high maintenance...

And while they are at it, get rid of R. Williams as well. Our defense automatically improves when Roy is gone....teams can no longer target our weakest link (Roy) on defense.

But Pacman Jones is worth it? Ellis has complained but he is getting the job done. I hope Spencer can show he can do the job but given Ellis production last season he is worth more to Dallas by keeping him than what you coud get for him in a trade. Older players are not going to bring much in terms of trade value.
 

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I think he's pretty happy now that he finally got a pro bowl. I honestly don't think he'd be upset at all with Spencer getting a bigger load.
 

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Why can't Ellis just be a team player. You're 30+, you're getting paid decently, you can extend your career, be a deadly pass rushing specialists and probably notch a Superbowl.

Just SHUT up!
 
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