Vela: Draftee Watch

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Draftee Watch

August 23, 2008



It’s unfair to peg rookies before their initial seasons. However, I think we can make some assessments about their fitness to make team. Here, a simple up and down on their fitness to be Cowboys.

1A. Felix Jones — Had a down game after two up ones, making his first NFL fumble. He’s dangerous all the same and the way Dallas used him is not really the way they’ve been working with him in camp. Jones got reps as the backup tailback in the I-formation. He’ll get some plays this way when the games count, but he’ll also work a lot in 3rd down packages and in packages with Marion Barber.
He blocked well, which is the key sign. I won’t worry about his fumble unless he starts coughing up the ball on a regular basis.

1B. Mike Jenkins — a sure bet to make the team but somebody likely to get the Bobby Carpenter treatment, though no fault of his own. Dallas has three vets ahead of him, in Newman, Henry and Jones, and Orlando Scandrick’s fast start puts that rookie at 4th.
This means that with good health Jenkins will dress and play special teams or see weeks where he’s inactive, if the Cowboys choose other options to be the gunners on their coverage units. That’s no knock on Jenkins, but it does mean the more impulsive sector of Cowboys Nation will try to put a black hat on his head.

2. Martellus Bennett — I think everybody now sees the skills that moved Dallas to draft him. And hopefully those skills will disabuse the Kneejerk Chorus from again calling for his immediate trading, as they did during San Diego week, when Hard Knocks made him look like a clown.
He can block, he can catch, and he can run. He can be a special player. It’s up to him.

4. Tashard Choice — a number 29 was flying around on the coverage teams last night, giving people the impression Keith Davis had been regained. It was Choice, who has his role as Barber’s backup down. He runs, he blocks and he’s bringing his enthusiasm to special teams.

5. Orlando Scandrick — Has made plays every week and played very well in the Dallas nickel last night. Teams try to run him out of his zone with a receiver and run another player into the cleared out zone. He’s been very good at reading the combinations and breaking up the shorter throws. He did it playing on the right corner against Denver and broke up plays from the slot and the left corner last night.

He’s the defensive equivalent of Bennett, a physically gifted player who drifted down the draft charts because teams doubted his maturity. Right now he looks confident and aware. And don’t say we didn’t give you a heads-up here at BSR. Here’s what a source told us three months ago:
“He wasn’t covering Terry Glenn or T.O. out there but you can see his athletic ability. He’s got the backpedal, the change of direction… I talked to people around the league before the draft — and again, this wasn’t from the Cowboys — and there were some questions about his intelligence. But there were some people who told me they thought that if he was able to pick things up that he could be a better corner than [Mike] Jenkins in the long run… he went to Boise St. but this kid has Pac 10 talent. He could have easily played at a USC or a UCLA or an Arizona or Arizona St. You could see that on the practice field…”
Guarded Optimism for the Top Rookies, BSR, May 18th, 2008.

6. Erik Walden — the only Cowboys rookie draftee who’s at risk of missing the final cut. His spot will depend on whether the Cowboys keep eight or nine linebackers. With Kevin Burnett and Anthony Spencer on the mend, Walden may get an early shot. He needs to add upper body strength and a lot will depend on his special teams play.

Last night, Walden didn’t enter the game until the 4th quarter. He looks okay in coverage and help his point against right ends on runs his way. His issue is his rush. He looks downright Dexter Coakley-esque on the edge; he’s not short by human standards (6′2″) but he looks like a runt against NFL OTs. Walden has great quickness and change of direction but needs to use his hands better. He was trying to bull rush tackles who outweigh him by 75 pounds last night and he’s not big enough (242 lbs.) to do that. He needs to get the linemens’ hands off his body and let his explosiveness work for him.
He should get a lot more playing time against Minnesota and will need to make some plays. His roster spot might depend on it.

Overall: Early impressions suggest a solid draft for Dallas. The team’s first five picks look like locks and the 6th-rounder has a fighting chance. What’s more, Jones, Bennett and Scandrick could all be immediate contributors, with Jenkins and Choice able to add value on special teams.

Written by Rafael Vela · Filed Under Training Camp
Tagged: Bobby Carpenter, Dallas Cowboys, Erik Walden, Felix Jones, Martellus Bennett, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, rookies, Tashard Cho
 

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I'll come off sounding like a typical homer, but I agreed with all of Vela's points on our draft class.
 

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Bluefin;2210452 said:
I'll come off sounding like a typical homer, but I agreed with all of Vela's points on our draft class.
I think the coaches still have Jenkins over Scandrick though. The coaches have always said that Jenkins is more polished and that he was the most ready to play this year out of the whole draft at cb.
 

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speedkilz88;2210464 said:
I think the coaches still have Jenkins over Scandrick though. The coaches have always said that Jenkins is more polished and that he was the most ready to play this year out of the whole draft at cb.

Of course they would say that about their pick. I'm not knocking Jenkins put to say he was the most polished CB in the draft is far from the truth.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2210474 said:
Of course they would say that about their pick. I'm not knocking Jenkins put to say he was the most polished CB in the draft is far from the truth.

Which CB's are more polished?
 

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41gy#;2210444 said:
1A. Felix Jones — Had a down game after two up ones, making his first NFL fumble. He’s dangerous all the same and the way Dallas used him is not really the way they’ve been working with him in camp. Jones got reps as the backup tailback in the I-formation. He’ll get some plays this way when the games count, but he’ll also work a lot in 3rd down packages and in packages with Marion Barber.

He blocked well, which is the key sign. I won’t worry about his fumble unless he starts coughing up the ball on a regular basis.
That fumble was atypical of how well Felix Jones protects the ball. I wouldn't put much emphasis on it happening very often in the future.
 

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AtlCB;2210485 said:
Which CB's are more polished?

Cason, Flowers Mckelvin off the top of my head I view Jenkins DRC and Talib on the same level. I forget names so I would have to look back.

Some more names Tracy Porter Chevis Jackson Charles Godfrey
 

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DaBoys4Life;2210492 said:
Cason, Flowers Mckelvin off the top of my head I view Jenkins DRC and Talib on the same level. I forget names so I would have to look back.
You lost me there. Is this the same Cason who couldn't cover Miles Austin??? Jenkins started two preseason games. He played extremely well in his first start.
 

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AtlCB;2210501 said:
You lost me there. Is this the same Cason who couldn't cover Miles Austin??? Jenkins started two preseason games. He played extremely well in his first start.

If you say so. I forgot to put on my homer classes hold up let me put them on ZOMG Jenkins is the best CB in the last draft class 1337 Jenkins is the PWNZ he looked great against Denver oh wait......I wasn't supposed to bring that up.
 

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Dallas really needs to play Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick. I would play them both. Jenkins needs to play. He is ready. Break Jenkins in, and you will be a better team in December and January. He is ready to go and not playing him would be a big mistake,imo.

This will not make Anthony Henry fans happy, but this would be lethal:

Newman 4.37 (has probably run faster since joining Dallas)
Pacman 4.32 ( I think that is what he ran at West Virginia)
Jenkins 4.38
Scandrick 4.32

When Dallas plays Philadelphia in week two, they need to man up their receivers and focus on Westbrook. Phillips did a nice job on them last year. I would love to see Pacman getting physical (bump and run) and Newman pressing in this defense. I would love to see Jenkins get physical in man. Scandrick can press and run with anyone. The potential at CB is unreal.

Get Spencer back and dominate.
 

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41gy#;2210695 said:
Dallas really needs to play Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick. I would play them both. Jenkins needs to play. He is ready. Break Jenkins in, and you will be a better team in December and January. He is ready to go and not playing him would be a big mistake,imo.

This will not make Anthony Henry fans happy, but this would be lethal:

Newman 4.37 (has probably run faster since joining Dallas)
Pacman 4.32 ( I think that is what he ran at West Virginia)
Jenkins 4.38
Scandrick 4.32

When Dallas plays Philadelphia in week two, they need to man up their receivers and focus on Westbrook. Phillips did a nice job on them last year. I would love to see Pacman getting physical (bump and run) and Newman pressing in this defense. I would love to see Jenkins get physical in man. Scandrick can press and run with anyone. The potential at CB is unreal.

Get Spencer back and dominate.

40 times don't make good CB however it's not bad when trying to run man to man and factoring in closing speed and breaking on the ball and such. I think we should be able to leave CB on man to man coverage and they be fine. Not having a safety over top for help for our CB will make our D better RW gets closer to the line and we can do a lot more stuff.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2210536 said:
If you say so. I forgot to put on my homer classes hold up let me put them on ZOMG Jenkins is the best CB in the last draft class 1337 Jenkins is the PWNZ he looked great against Denver oh wait......I wasn't supposed to bring that up.

I can't believe I'm responding to such an idiotic post. The comment was that Jenkins was the most polished. When you start a rookie at CB and he holds his own, the CB is polished. I can't believe that you can't grasp this concept. If you want to equate Jenkins struggling against Denver's top WR to Cason struggling against our #4 WR, you lose a lot of credibility with me.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2210492 said:
Cason, Flowers Mckelvin off the top of my head I view Jenkins DRC and Talib on the same level. I forget names so I would have to look back.

Some more names Tracy Porter Chevis Jackson Charles Godfrey

McKelvin more polished?

You lost all credibility right there.
 

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Jenkins would probably look more polished if Dallas played primarily man to man coverage, which is where he has the most experience and success.


Scandrick played a ton of zone coverage in college that's why he looks more fluid and polished, as this is the scheme that the Cowboy coaches prefer.


God knows why since Dallas best CBs are more suited for man 2 man.
 

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not sold on jenkins yet.. i think cason would have been the better pick.
 

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Based strictly on "technique", Cason seemed to be the most polished of all the corners that were drafted this past April. The knock on Cason is that he had "peaked out" meaning he wasn't going to get much better. All the other corners drafted ahead of him, while not having the great technique that Cason exhibited during the last couple years of his college career, seemed to be more gifted athletically. Or at least that's what many of the draft guides implied.
 

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Teague31;2210909 said:
not sold on jenkins yet.. i think cason would have been the better pick.
i agree. having scandrick being drafted 5 rounds later and outplaying him makes jenkins look worse than he really is. i'm not giving up on jenkins just yet but let me just say that i'm glad we got scandrick.
 

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MichaelWinicki;2210910 said:
Based strictly on "technique", Cason seemed to be the most polished of all the corners that were drafted this past April. The knock on Cason is that he had "peaked out" meaning he wasn't going to get much better. All the other corners drafted ahead of him, while not having the great technique that Cason exhibited during the last couple years of his college career, seemed to be more gifted athletically. Or at least that's what many of the draft guides implied.

cason looked pretty good imo. btw happy birthday.
 
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