Vela: He’s Lost Top Gear and His Technique

[theebs]

someone forgot to tell vela today is bash parcells day and belittle his career.

Roy williams was the last two weeks.

 

[Hostile]

someone forgot to tell vela today is bash parcells day and belittle his career.

Roy williams was the last two weeks.

So we get to bash Parcells for 13 more days?

Hot damn, now I'm happy.

:wink2:

 

[jwitten82]

This is another excellent illustration. My only problem with Roy "apologist" is that they refuse to believe he does anything wrong. Usually they take the one time, mentioned out of multiple examples, that they can tear apart and say "See he doesn't do anything wrong!". I think you and "they" are right in that Roy is not responsible for everything laid at his feet but he's certainly responsible for enough. I would love for him to be everything he was and I don't blame him for everything but I've yelled at him thru the tv enough for him to have failed the eyeball test. I'm not the expert at coverages that some on this board are but I know when someone is beat and recently Roy has been tenderized and the thing that makes it worse is that he no longer does the tenderizing to opposing wr's.

Still though, the education is fantastic and I hope that you will continue with these lessons. It actually makes me feel better about Roy when someone can explain away a percieved failure. Mostly I hope that in the future the defense as a whole plays better because as you illustrated above, even had he stayed at home, that play goes the distance as Alexander breaks through the main hole.

Again, thanks.

This isnt true, these so called "Roy apologist" have said Roy needs to improve but all the Roy Haters want to believe is everything he does is wrong.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

ANNNNND they're off...

 

[superpunk]

someone forgot to tell vela today is bash parcells day and belittle his career.

That's every day at the zone. We don't need a special day.

 

[Hostile]

That's every day at the zone. We don't need a special day.

Now I can't have a special day? :bang2:

You're dying to make me pout aren't you?

Hey, did you see the new video in the bad day at the office thread in the OT Zone? If not, you are missing out big time.

 

[Redball Express]

Vela's stuff has really gone downhill and I am not just talking about this article.

..to the easy way to write..

just copy what others are doing..

..add more vinegar..

stir well..

..column written for the week for the editor

..to get the paycheck by Friday.

And the Cowboy fans are so dumb they take it as another article that must be right because everybody else is writing the same things.

Therefore..it must all be true.

:finger strummimg on my keyboard:

Whatever.

His writing has deteriorated dramatically this off-season.

Too bad. Thought he was a 'must-read' writer up until he started all the anti-Pacman anti-Williams stuff.

Boring.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

 

[28 Joker]

..to the easy way to write..

just copy what others are doing..

..add more vinegar..

stir well..

..column written for the week for the editor

..to get the paycheck by Friday.

And the Cowboy fans are so dumb they take it as another article that must be right because everybody else is writing the same things.

Therefore..it must all be true.

:finger strummimg on my keyboard:

Whatever.

His writing has deteriorated dramatically this off-season.

Too bad. Thought he was a 'must-read' writer up until he started all the anti-Pacman anti-Williams stuff.

Boring.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

RedBall ExPress,

When did Vela start the "anti-Pacman" stuff? I must have missed it, because I do read his blog. In fact, Vela has been pro-Pacman and cited K.C. Joyner's metrics stating how good a player he was in 2006. As far as him being anti-Roy. He is allowed to have an opinion about the player.

As far as the play AdamJT13 is contesting, he has a right to do so. I told him I wasn't going to give him anymore grief. However, Vela just didn't write about that play without doing his homework before he came to his conclusion. From what I read, and I checked on it. Vela based his conclusion on two pieces of solid evidence. (a scout and Chris Mortensen on ESPN radio)

I went back and looked when I debated AdamJT13 the first time, because I remember that Vela talked to a scout who broke down that game tape.

According to the scout, "Roy had Alexander lined up for a two yard gain at best, gave up his lane and gave Shaun Alexander the free cutback lane". The scout did say that he wasn't sure if Roy's dive inside was called or not. He just analyzed the play.

However, it is Vela's second piece of evidence that solidifies his view of Williams' role in that play.

Chris Mortensen, on ESPN radio, talked about that play in great detail. Mortensen doesn't watch game tape, but he has as much access to Bill Parcells as anyone in the media. They are close friends. Here is what Mortensen had to say about the play on ESPN radio:

"I don't know what Roy Williams was doing on that play".

Chris Mortensen

Now, would Mortensen go on ESPN radio and make that statement without being absolutely sure Roy was out of position on that play?

You all can make up your own mind.

It can be found in Vela's blog January 12, 2007.

 

[kmd24]

This is another excellent illustration. My only problem with Roy "apologist" is that they refuse to believe he does anything wrong. Usually they take the one time, mentioned out of multiple examples, that they can tear apart and say "See he doesn't do anything wrong!".

I don't think anyone claims that Roy is blameless, but I've yet to see such extensive evidence provided for a single claim of Roy's failure.

If evidence can so easily be produced to uncover bias/ignorance in one of several claims, is there any doubt that the other claims lose credibility? That's why lawyers are so careful about scope during examination of a witness. Getting sloppy can open a witness up to a scathing cross.

 

[AdamJT13]

However, Vela just didn't write about that play without doing his homework before he came to his conclusion. From what I read, and I checked on it. Vela based his conclusion on two pieces of solid evidence. (a scout and Chris Mortensen on ESPN radio)

I went back and looked when I debated AdamJT13 the first time, because I remember that Vela talked to a scout who broke down that game tape.

According to the scout, "Roy had Alexander lined up for a two yard gain at best, gave up his lane and gave Shaun Alexander the free cutback lane". The scout did say that he wasn't sure if Roy's dive inside was called or not. He just analyzed the play.

However, it is Vela's second piece of evidence that solidifies his view of Williams' role in that play.

Chris Mortensen, on ESPN radio, talked about that play in great detail. Mortensen doesn't watch game tape, but he has as much access to Bill Parcells as anyone in the media. They are close friends. Here is what Mortensen had to say about the play on ESPN radio:

"I don't know what Roy Williams was doing on that play".

Chris Mortensen

Now, would Mortensen go on ESPN radio and make that statement without being absolutely sure Roy was out of position on that play?

You all can make up your own mind.

It can be found in Vela's blog January 12, 2007.

I'd question the credibility of any scout who looked at that play and said "Roy had Alexander lined up for a two-yard gain at best (and) gave up his lane." Look at the photos. Roy had Alexander lined up for a 2-yard gain BECAUSE he left his gap ---v

If Roy stays home, he's double-teamed by Walter Jones and Will Heller, and Alexander almost certain doesn't bother to cut back because he's got a big hole to run through ---v

And it's amazing that Roy gets blasted for running toward the lead blocker, while Ferguson and Canty (who is unblocked) aren't even mentioned despite running themselves out of the play and opening the cutback lane at the line (if they stay home, Alexander probably doesn't even get to Roy's original spot).

But hey, if you can look at the photo below and explain exactly how Roy would be able to cut through that traffic, beat two blockers and stop Alexander before he reached the 2-yard line, go right ahead. I'm listening.

 

[dbair1967]

He’s Lost Top Gear and His Technique

I’ve been transferring the last of my ‘07 Cowboys games to tape this past week, and I can’t help but notice how much Roy Williams‘ game further deteriorated. I reviewed the second Eagles game, where Williams earned a one-game suspension for a horsecollar tackle on Donovan McNabb. That was Williams’ third flagged horsecollar that year but it was hardly his only offense.


– “He’s got Joe Pisarcik Eyes” January 7, 2007

He’s lost his top gear and his technique. And he’s only 27.

I know alot of people like this guy, but IMO he's a scrub writer/blogger/whatever

David

 

[DeaconBlues]

RedBall ExPress,

Here is what Mortensen had to say about the play on ESPN radio:

"I don't know what Roy Williams was doing on that play".

Chris Mortensen

Now, would Mortensen go on ESPN radio and make that statement without being absolutely sure Roy was out of position on that play?

Mortensen talks out of his *** all the time. As you stated Morty doesn't watch game tape and is quite proud of it. If Parcells told him that space aliens failed to cover the gap, it would lead in his column.

 

[superpunk]

If Parcells told him that space aliens failed to cover the gap, it would lead in his column.

I lol'd.

 

[DallasFanSince86]

Mortensen talks out of his *** all the time. As you stated Morty doesn't watch game tape and is quite proud of it. If Parcells told him that space aliens failed to cover the gap, it would lead in his column.

:laugh2:

 

[Clove]

Roy is the best Safety in history, let's move on.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I've dragged people down by their shoulder pads before. He is asking us if he has ever played a down of football has he? Because one you 95 percent of the time a person doesn't tackle the proper time. It's instinct also if you reach out to grab someone its only natural that you grab their shoulders. This guy is a moron.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I would say by now that neither Mort or "a league scout" are hardly credible sources and should be taken with a grain of salt. Mort has continually reported incorrect things about the Cowboys over and over, along with these "scouts" who tend to say things that are fashionable. For instance, when Owens was struggling a bit early on with the team, Mort and his "scouts" were reporting that Owens had clearly lost a step and couldn't get seperation. Instead it was obvious that Owens' hand was greatly bothering him, Bledsoe stunk, and he wasn't being used properly by Parcells and company.

The Stevens 37 yard TD pass should be simple for anybody with some football knowledge to pick out since the Cover 2 is the most popular zone coverage in the game and everybody should pretty much know the responsibilities. But for some reason there are many people who suddenly think the Cover 2 is played in a different fashion when it comes to this play.



YAKUZA

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I know alot of people like this guy, but IMO he's a scrub writer/blogger/whatever

David

I like Vela and he's clearly better than just about any of the Dallas area beat writers and most of the writers over at ESPN. He usually excels at the history of Dallas and is pretty decent at analyzing stuff. Everybody is entitled to screwups from time to time.




YAKUZA

 

[dbair1967]

I like Vela and he's clearly better than just about any of the Dallas area beat writers and most of the writers over at ESPN. He usually excels at the history of Dallas and is pretty decent at analyzing stuff. Everybody is entitled to screwups from time to time.




YAKUZA

We would have to agree to disagree then, because I think he is far from the best Cowboy writer and I've seen him make numerous historical errors since he started posting whatever it is he posts on

David

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Actually when I was playing football in high school, and this was 12 years ago now since I played a down of high school ball, it wasn't illegal to horsecollar and we were, in fact, taught to get ahold of the shoulder pads, if we had to, when the guy got by us in order to bring them down. I've seen tons of tackles like that in my life when I was playing.