Vela: Maybe Ellis is right?

quote=DallasEast;1523767]It is funny and sad at the same time. I watched America's Game/The 1977 Dallas Cowboys again. It showed both Charlie Waters and Randy White changing positions. It worked out pretty well for both players, but Greg Ellis is resistant to change. Even if it's for his own good.

Oh well. What do old football coaches like Parcells and Phillips know anyway? :rolleyes:[/quote]


Just go to this post. and all I will say is :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
 
AnyGivenSunday;1523718 said:
And here is the most important thing, so listen closely. Pssst! The medical staff on the Dallas Cowboys team say he is on course to make a full recovery.

What part of the above do you not understand? What part of unique are you not getting?

Can you show me a source from the Cowboys that says that he's not making a full, 100% recovery?


ummm a full recovery and being effective after that recovery are different things.
 
AnyGivenSunday;1523727 said:
I disagree, he's being asked to do another job than he was asked to do when he was signed.

Hardly equally comparable.


He was signed to play football for the Dallas Cowboys, Player contracts do not have certain position guarantees in them
 
I've tried to be supportive of Ellis in the past but the constant griping to the media is getting old. It isn't going to be anything but a detriment.
 
AnyGivenSunday;1523742 said:
But, according to you, it does say he'll play better than a young, athletic, stud, 1st round pick.

Man, that's pretty good for a 32 year old with an ACL injury.



Holy hell, conversation ov er, you dont even know what injury Ellis has
 
AnyGivenSunday;1523745 said:
Actually, he was right for doing the right thing and helping the team. In turn, Jerry should do the right thing and man up to his word.

As far as that goes, I am as right as right can be.


Ummm Jerry never promised him a raise which is what this is all about
 
BigDFan5;1523815 said:
Ummm Jerry never promised him a raise which is what this is all about

We don't actually know what was promised if anything, which indeed seems to be the catalyst for the disagreement. It is just as easy to say, Jerry promised him a raise. Neither position is accurate. Fact is we don't know.
 
Isn't it possible that Jerry and Greg meet? And Jerry tells Greg, if you do good this year, I'll restructure you in some way, shape or form?

There seems to be a lot of assuming going on as to what the meeting may consist of. All he said is he wants a meeting. Jerry said he would do it....

He didn't say, "I want a meeting to demand a raise".

Some of you are worse than the media with taking stuff out of context.
 
MTRS-Jon;1523816 said:
We don't actually know what was promised if anything, which indeed seems to be the catalyst for the disagreement. It is just as easy to say, Jerry promised him a raise. Neither position is accurate. Fact is we don't know.

Nicely and truthfully stated. :clap: Someone gets the difference between a raise, and a meeting.

I would assume that the meeting would set some parameters for Greg to perform well. I fail to see how that would be a bad thing for the team.

Jerry- "Greg, if you play up to ____ level, I'll pay you x amount of dollars".

What's wrong with that?
 
AnyGivenSunday;1523818 said:
Isn't it possible that Jerry and Greg meet? And Jerry tells Greg, if you do good this year, I'll restructure you in some way, shape or form?

There seems to be a lot of assuming going on as to what the meeting may consist of. All he said is he wants a meeting. Jerry said he would do it....

He didn't say, "I want a meeting to demand a raise".

Some of you are worse than the media with taking stuff out of context.
Can you prove this happened? I won't hold my breath.
 
AnyGivenSunday;1523818 said:
Isn't it possible that Jerry and Greg meet? And Jerry tells Greg, if you do good this year, I'll restructure you in some way, shape or form?

There seems to be a lot of assuming going on as to what the meeting may consist of. All he said is he wants a meeting. Jerry said he would do it....

He didn't say, "I want a meeting to demand a raise".

Some of you are worse than the media with taking stuff out of context.



Jerry's been pretty up front about Colombo and Hamlin. If they play well they have a good chance of getting a new deal. I just don't remmember this "be a team guy and sign for less". Maybe you can dig that up? Only place i've EVER heard it is from Ellis. I also heard Davon Boddie say he lived in a house with 70 dogs and never saw them.
 
Hostile;1523796 said:
This is such a good post. Remember Rayfield Wright at his Hall of Fame speech talking about how pissed off he was when Landry moved him to OT from TE?











Me neither, that is the point.



I guess Rayfield was a true Team Guy.
 
Alexander;1523752 said:
So Greg wants a big fat not just a no, but a hell no?

He is pretty dense, but I thought even he would be able to read between the lines.

Giving him a raise, right now, as he demands, is sight unseen. He has yet to play a down of football. This is minicamp. He cannot prove he has recovered yet. Thus, no discussion. He is under contract and he is still rehabbing.

If you cared to read anything I've said, I said I'd be against giving him a pay increase "sight unseen". It's been clearly stated in a previous post. But bumble on if you wish...



You assume that a promise was made. I won't make that kind of guess, especially since Ellis has done nothing but imply through innuendo that it has. Come out and say it. Get some courage. If you believe that strongly about it, say it. Don't mince words. Stop mumbling like a coward.

I think one of the biggest cowards I've ever seen is Simon Cowell, who happens to be your idol, apprantly. A man with no talent, who criticizes other's.

I think that Jerry actually made a comment last year in regards to meeting with Greg. However, I openly admit I could be wrong about that. Regardless, I don't think Ellis would lie about this in public - to the media.

From an owner's standpoint, wouldn't that be grounds for termination - lying to the media?

It seems you don't get the bigger picture, which is my problem with your line of thinking. You think in small details and don't care to gather all of the facts.

He will start out of merit, experience and the "respect" you claim we don't have for him. And I believe he will eventually prove to be ineffective. As I have stated several times, despite your pathetic attempts to convince everyone otherwise.

Well, someone must think highly of Greg. We just drafted a talented OLB, and you're still saying that Ellis is going to start.

I only hope that he is as "ineffective" as he was last year.

And, again, Mr. Know-it-all. No one knows until we actually see what happens.

And that's what I'm for, and incentive-laden contract that pays Greg if Greg plays well.




No, that is your asinine spin on a comment I never made. You have a very active imagination. I will give you that credit.

Asinine is saying that Greg will recover, but he won't recover. Which is basically what you said.



Is that all you have? We are not the 49ers and it is exactly two years later.

:laugh2:

So we have an infinitely better medical staff?

Again, these things you claim to know are mind-boggling.

Dually noted, I'm baffled as to what anything the 9ers do have to do with us. And the doctors in Dallas must be idiots.

Would you agree?



A broken leg. A ruptured Achilles. Different. Mongo confused? It sure sounds like it.

It's called a medical miracle. They happen. Not that Greg's recovery would be a miracle. Let's not forget, he already came back from a broken leg. And the Dallas MEDICAL STAFF is saying he'll make a COMPLETE recovery.

Again, do your research. These injuries are unique to each player; career ending to some, others not even phased after recovery period.



Who said the competition was open? It sounds to me Phillips already has his mind made up. But it is still mini-camp. And this player is already borderline hysterical because he isn't getting his head patted as he wants.

Wow, it sounds like Phillips is skeptical about this injury. I wonder why he's not concerned with names of players who have made recoveries.

Perhaps he has faith in the Dallas Medical Staff?



The reason is simple.

You cannot name a single player that fits the question I asked.

You would much rather speak in generalities, muttering on and on about general medical advances that do not apply and cite players who didn't even recover from the same sort of injury, produce and merit a new contract.

Not at all, I'd rather listen to the experts.... AKA, the Dallas Medical Staff, not some chump who thinks he is Simon Cowell from American freakin' Idol.

Give me a break - you're better suited judging the Brittany Spears' of the world.:D
 
MTRS-Jon;1523816 said:
We don't actually know what was promised if anything, which indeed seems to be the catalyst for the disagreement. It is just as easy to say, Jerry promised him a raise. Neither position is accurate. Fact is we don't know.


Pretty easy to figure.

Ellis wants more money, if Jerry promised him more money Ellis would damn sure mention it since it makes him the victim
 
Hostile;1523766 said:
Oh please scott, like me you're just taking this stance because it's the majority opinion.

:wink2:

You know how you and I are always on the side of the majority.

:lmao2:

Not at all what I was sayin, Hos. You've known me long enough to know that.
 
AnyGivenSunday;1523818 said:
Isn't it possible that Jerry and Greg meet? And Jerry tells Greg, if you do good this year, I'll restructure you in some way, shape or form?

Under no circumstances should ellis get a new deal. He is 32 coming off an achilles tear next year will be 33. It would set a very bad precedent to start negotiating new deals with players who have multiple years left on their deal


There seems to be a lot of assuming going on as to what the meeting may consist of. All he said is he wants a meeting. Jerry said he would do it....

He didn't say, "I want a meeting to demand a raise".

Some of you are worse than the media with taking stuff out of context.


Oh come on even you can't believe he wants a meeting for any reason other than asking for a raise or release
 
AnyGivenSunday;1523821 said:
Nicely and truthfully stated. :clap: Someone gets the difference between a raise, and a meeting.

I would assume that the meeting would set some parameters for Greg to perform well. I fail to see how that would be a bad thing for the team.

Jerry- "Greg, if you play up to ____ level, I'll pay you x amount of dollars".

What's wrong with that?


other than the fact that it opens up the door for every other player who wants more money to do the same thing?
 
CoCo;1522569 said:
I guess when I boil it all down, its Gregg Ellis thinking that if he could negotiate one more deal on the open market right now, that he would get appreciably more $$ than his current contract will pay him.

At 31 years old, 9 sacks as his max performance, a current deal that apparently escalates if he hits 10 or more sacks, and most importantly rehabbing an achilles injury...

I'm not sure he could get a deal for appreciably more on the open market.

How bout we do this...

Have Ellis give us the parameters of an acceptable new deal, Jerry can call his fellow GM's to see whose interested in acquiring Greg and giving him a deal of those proportions.

If there's no one who wants to pay him more $$, then we're done.

If there is, then we need to agree on what compensation Dallas would deem acceptable in a trade. If we can't agree, we're done.

I don't think Ellis can realistically expect that Dallas is just going to let him go for free. But I wonder if Ellis doesn't have $$ signs in his eyes that are more folly than fact.

For all Gregg's insistence that Dallas is in good shape with Ware & Spencer, the truth is that you can never have too much talent and Gregg can still be valuable to this team even if the other guys start and play lights out.

CoCo, my fellow Austin360 poster, this is the best post in the thread.

I can't believe how many people think that Greg doesn't help this team. Absurd, I tell you.:)
 
AnyGivenSunday;1523848 said:
Not at all what I was sayin, Hos. You've known me long enough to know that.
It isn't?

Here's the comment again...

AnyGivenSunday;1523676 said:
Exactly, Hos is one of those guys who thinks if the majority thinks that it's right. By golly, it must be right!!

:laugh2:
Like I said, it isn't?
 

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