Vela on scrimmage, high praise offense, crushes the D Line

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Crawford is definitely going to play the strong side on the defensive front.

Leary has lost some weight to get more mobile.

If someone wanted to watch the 'scrimmage':

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multim...ll_Video/02de59f1-e8c8-4c90-9a56-2c570d047631

Some good comments about Coleman, Bishop, as well as Selvie and Mencer.

For a couple of exhibition games, it might pay to watch Boatwright and Gardner when he is back.
 

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Haley's comments to the 'rooks': 'Stop damn second guessing yourself.' Take confidence into the action.

Key to a pass rusher, is knowing the weak points of an offensive linemen...and quick feet helps.
 

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I think we will be OK to GOOD at DT and in the middle. Its the ends where we are screwed.

And I really want to hear evidence that a couple here claimed where Brent was considered a stud.
 

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I've personally scouted this defensive line.

They suck.

I'm not a fan of this D-Line at all.

But if a fan is personally scouting them then I'm going to feel better about them then I did.

Which, to be fair, wouldn't take much to make me feel better about a unit that I feel is paper thin.
 

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Because if he were the Hall of Famer in waiting like he has been sold as, he would be a lot more noticeable that he is now.

I know this does not satisfy your sensibilities, but I really do not care.

Interesting. I must have missed the posts where anyone said he was a Hall of Famer in waiting.

I mean I'm not thrilled about this D-Line, at all, and the hype that some have tried to give for the situation has been amusing but I haven't seen anyone even come close to hinting anything like that.
 

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This defensive roster is probably the worst collection of talent in the league.

But we won't be as bad as last year, because... well it can't be... or something like that.

MARINELLI!!!

... who was also here last year overseeing our last ranked D...
 

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When the first offense played the first defense yesterday, the Os had it — every time. They scored quickly, they scored deliberately. They moved the ball with short passes and long ones. They ran wide and inside. Martin and the second year offensive skill position guys could take last year’s dangerous attack to an even higher, more thrilling level.

Of course, their effectiveness may be down to the poor level of defensive competition they face. This year’s front seven is, at this point in the pre-season, the thinnest I’ve ever seen. The athleticism of lines past simply isn’t there. [SIZE=+0]Demarcus Lawrence[/SIZE] may have several sacks in his surgically repaired foot, and Henry Melton may have the juice to replace Jason Hatcher, but there was nobody on the field yesterday with the power and speed to overpower an offensive lineman. Martez Wilson made a play later in the scrimmage, but he was working against the Cowboys second offensive line. When the first strings squared off, the first offensive line kept [SIZE=+0]Tony Romo[/SIZE]’s jersey clean and his passing lanes clear.

In years past, there were always two or three big time athletes on the line. I remember Dearcus Ware’s rookie camp in Oxnard. In an early rush drill, he went one-on-one with Dan Campbell, a big 255 lb. tight end signed in free agency for his blocking skills. In this particular drill, an orange cone was put seven yards behind the line, at the spot where the quarterback would set after a deep drop. The rushers job was to fight his way to the cone and touch it.

Ware’s approach was brutal, swift and effective. He hit Campbell head on, lifted him off the ground and dropped him onto the cone. Embarrassed at having the cone administered as a suppository in front of hundreds of stunned fans, Campbell slammed the ground in disgust. Ware had put everybody on notice that he was not going to be stopped, and nobody ever again stopped him in a Cowboys camp. Just last year, Ware looped inside on a stunt and put prize rookie [SIZE=+0]Travis Frederick[/SIZE] on his keyster. (See the photo.)
In that same ’05 camp, and unsung rookie named Jay Ratliff made a habit of getting into veteran guard Marco Rivera’s face mask. Ratliff bowed Rivera back with punch outs to the jaw, until the vet grew angry and started a fight. Again, a rookie showed that he was physically capable of overpowering any opponent.

When I scanned the lines yesterday, I saw no defensive lineman, inside or out, with the physical tools to emulate Ware or Ratliff. [SIZE=+0]Ken Bishop[/SIZE], Dartwan Bush and [SIZE=+0]Davon Coleman[/SIZE] try hard, but they’re all short, bowling-ball type players. There are no high-cut Leon Lett, Ratliff-build defensive tackles, with the long legs and longer arms needed to crack pockets in quick time. There’s no edge rusher with the get off to turn the corner low and hard.

There are fighters in the Cowboys secondary, but they’ll grow tired over the course of the season if the front office cannot build a rush in front of them. And that’s the most worrisome note on this 4th of August. The Cowboys rush, so woeful in 2013, looks even worse today. The Cowboys put all their eggs in the Lawrence basket and have seen that plan fracture, literally and figuratively

http://cowboyszone.com/2014/08/rushed-blue-white-scrimmage-notes.html
We've got time before the regular season starts, but this post gives me visions of boys against men. I don't need those images to transfer to the regular season. I've seen it before. I'm sure the coaching staff sees the same thing.
 

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I'm going to say this about this D-Line.

I don't feel good about it and I haven't all offseason. I've been very concerned about the fact that they replaced a very thin, poor, line from last year with guys who are coming off of injuries.

I've seen people post time and time again about how this D-line is better, on paper, because they're not relying as heavily on street FA so there is no way they can be as bad.

My response to that has been this. This was a very poor D-Line last year. The two best players from it, Ware and Hatcher, were let go/allowed to leave this offseason and they replaced those two, and the injured people, with the plan that D-Law (A rookie) and three players coming off of injuries would be enough to make it better (Crawford, Melton, and Spencer). I have been against this all along because they're banking on a beat up d-line being made better by the use of players coming off injuries.

I am not thrilled by that and I'm quite worried that we're going to have a D-Line as bad, or worse, than last year because of it.

Now that said i'm also very thrilled, and hyped, about the ability of our O-Line and I would expect them to be far ahead of our D-Line so I'm not going to be rushing to losing my mind type of behavior based off reports that our O-Line is trashing the D-Line.

They should be. Without question. If this D-Line still had Ware and Hatcher I'd expect our O-Line to be trashing our D-Line at this point. I just feel that's how much better our O-line is. If the reports were that this D-Line was killing our O-Line I wouldn't be thrilled thinking it meant our D-Line was going to be vastly improved. I'd be concerned about what was wrong with the O-Line.

I'm going to wait till the games start coming in and I can see them play before I care too much about rather this D-Line is as bad as I'm worried it could be.
 

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It's going to be ugly...

yeah...it really is. I don't think most of the guys on this board are prepared for the reality of it. I said 4-6 wins months ago. I haven't seen or heard anything to change my mind yet unfortunately.BTW..is Spencer going to play or not? Need him big time...know it probably won't happen though.
 

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The starting OLine is holding a lot. The DL can't do anything when they're in a choke hold.

I noticed that as well. We've been hearing a lot of praise for Coleman and Bishop. Remember, this is coming with Fredbeard putting them in a sleeper hold every time they start to bust thru the line. I love that Fredbeard is on our team but I hope he doesn't try and use that technique when it counts.
 

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This defensive roster is probably the worst collection of talent in the league.

But we won't be as bad as last year, because... well it can't be... or something like that.

MARINELLI!!!

... who was also here last year overseeing our last ranked D...

It's not Marinelli's fault. It's above him. You can't squeeze blood out of turnips. Give him some quality guys to coach and he does great. Give him a bunch of sketch players and he won't be jack squat.
 

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I noticed that as well. We've been hearing a lot of praise for Coleman and Bishop. Remember, this is coming with Fredbeard putting them in a sleeper hold every time they start to bust thru the line. I love that Fredbeard is on our team but I hope he doesn't try and use that technique when it counts.

Fred and Martin are the guys that I've seen do it several times. The victims seem to be Bishop and Melton.
 
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