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FWIW...This is from K.C. Joyner, thru Vela's blog, about Romo. Vela's part is in blue, the rest is Joyner.

K.C. Joyner has been a good friend to this site. He offered us his analyses before he joined ESPN.com and continues to be generous with his work.

Today, he sent me the entire write up for the Cowboys from Scientific Football 2007, his latest annual which breaks down players with his original performance metrics. K.C. and the boys at Football Outsiders are well on their way to transforming the way we look at football, in the same way Bill James and his sabermetic diaspora have remade the way we look at baseball.

I’ll be excerpting pieces from K.C.’s book the next week. It’s on sale at his site — www.TheFootballScientist.com — and is also available on Amazon.com starting today. K.C. will also join me in the coming days for a podcast. If you have specific questions about the Cowboys of the NFL you want him to address, post them in the thread.

Today, we begin with selections from SF 2007’s profile of Tony Romo:


In the four years that I’ve been doing this, I have come to the conclusion that one of the most difficult parts of the passing game for a young quarterback to master is the medium pass depth level.

The reason the medium pass level is the hardest is due to the routes that are run at that level: deep in, deep out, comeback and skinny post. The deep in and skinny post routes are typically being run through a lot of traffic, often between the zones of a defense, which makes them very hard to complete and fraught with danger. The deep out and comeback routes aren’t thrown in traffic but they do have to be thrown a long distance and are in the air for such a long time that an inaccurate pass can lead to a pass being defensed or intercepted.

Given the difficulties of throwing at the medium level, it makes Romo’s performance on medium passes last year that much more impressive. He had the highest success percentage and 2nd highest YPA at that depth level…

…that wasn’t the only area where Romo excelled. He was 13th in bad decision percentage (versus 3rd from last for Bledsoe). Romo’s missed pass percentages were also top?notch, as he placed 2nd in the league (versus 36th for Bledsoe)…

…the metrics say he was a dominant quarterback last year, but the scouting notes told another story, at least over the long haul. After the week 11 game against the Colts, my notes said, “At some level, and this is damn early to say this, [Romo] looks a lot like Tom Brady but with a bit more mobility”.

After the week 17 debacle against Detroit, the notes said, “Romo [is] doing a terrible job on the run today. If his first read gets taken away, he looks a lot like what Ben [Roethlisberger] did his first year, [when he] just looks around downfield and isn’t quite certain what to do with [the ball]. I think teams are taking things away from him that he used to have in the beginning, maybe rushing less and dropping to coverage more to see if he can read coverages…”

I’ve said before that whenever the metrics and the scouting notes disagree on a player, I usually go with the metrics because history has shown me they are the best tiebreaker. All of Romo’s metrics were so overwhelmingly good when taken as a whole that I simply can’t be that down on him, no matter how the season ended for Dallas…

…even if he has a 10-15% dropoff from his 2006 season, he’ll likely be a top 10 quarterback in 2007.

I want to address K.C.’s intermediate metrics on Romo. When I watched him this past weekend in San Antonio, Romo was automatic on the deep outs, the deep comebacks and on intermediate crossing routes. In other words, there’s no sign of regression in this strength of his game.
 

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As Arte Johnson (the Kraut) on Laugh In said "VERRRY INTERESTING"
 

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The Football Scientist Lets Us Tour His Lab
By Rafael Vela

K.C. Joyner has been a good friend to this site. He offered us his analyses before he joined ESPN.com and continues to be generous with his work.

Today, he sent me the entire write up for the Cowboys from Scientific Football 2007, his latest annual which breaks down players with his original performance metrics. K.C. and the boys at Football Outsiders are well on their way to transforming the way we look at football, in the same way Bill James and his sabermetic diaspora have remade the way we look at baseball.

I’ll be excerpting pieces from K.C.’s book the next week. It’s on sale at his site — www.TheFootballScientist.com — and is also available on Amazon.com starting today. K.C. will also join me in the coming days for a podcast. If you have specific questions about the Cowboys of the NFL you want him to address, post them in the thread.

Today, we begin with selections from SF 2007’s profile of Tony Romo:

In the four years that I’ve been doing this, I have come to the conclusion that one of the most difficult parts of the passing game for a young quarterback to master is the medium pass depth level.

The reason the medium pass level is the hardest is due to the routes that are run at that level: deep in, deep out, comeback and skinny post. The deep in and skinny post routes are typically being run through a lot of traffic, often between the zones of a defense, which makes them very hard to complete and fraught with danger. The deep out and comeback routes aren’t thrown in traffic but they do have to be thrown a long distance and are in the air for such a long time that an inaccurate pass can lead to a pass being defensed or intercepted.

Given the difficulties of throwing at the medium level, it makes Romo’s performance on medium passes last year that much more impressive. He had the highest success percentage and 2nd highest YPA at that depth level…

…that wasn’t the only area where Romo excelled. He was 13th in bad decision percentage (versus 3rd from last for Bledsoe). Romo’s missed pass percentages were also top?notch, as he placed 2nd in the league (versus 36th for Bledsoe)…

…the metrics say he was a dominant quarterback last year, but the scouting notes told another story, at least over the long haul. After the week 11 game against the Colts, my notes said, “At some level, and this is damn early to say this, [Romo] looks a lot like Tom Brady but with a bit more mobility”.

After the week 17 debacle against Detroit, the notes said, “Romo [is] doing a terrible job on the run today. If his first read gets taken away, he looks a lot like what Ben [Roethlisberger] did his first year, [when he] just looks around downfield and isn’t quite certain what to do with [the ball]. I think teams are taking things away from him that he used to have in the beginning, maybe rushing less and dropping to coverage more to see if he can read coverages…”

I’ve said before that whenever the metrics and the scouting notes disagree on a player, I usually go with the metrics because history has shown me they are the best tiebreaker. All of Romo’s metrics were so overwhelmingly good when taken as a whole that I simply can’t be that down on him, no matter how the season ended for Dallas…

…even if he has a 10-15% dropoff from his 2006 season, he’ll likely be a top 10 quarterback in 2007.

I want to address K.C.’s intermediate metrics on Romo. When I watched him this past weekend in San Antonio, Romo was automatic on the deep outs, the deep comebacks and on intermediate crossing routes. In other words, there’s no sign of regression in this strength.

http://theboysblog.com/
 

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It was a matter of time before teams found weaknesses in Romo's game. An offseason of studying and practice should be able to close some of his flaws in reading coverage.
 

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The concept of Romo is such a hard thing for me to grasp on.

The way he was brought along; the lack of pedigree; the 3rd string for 3 years; the way that talk of Romo in the beginning was kind of a joke (in the old, 'we love the guy on the bench' kind of way); the way he always seemed happy-go-lucky and talking about golf.

Romo, at one level, seems like shtick to me. He seems like a gag.

But when he plays, he impresses the hell out of me. Even on his off games, I liked a lot of what he was doing. He stats are impressive. His moxy was too. He made things happen. At times he was a little "wheels off," but I think that will tone down as he develops.

But I hard time believing me eyes. Surely *this guy* can't be *this good.* It seems like a dream. And I have this fearful feeling that eventually we are all going to wake up, and he will be this 3rd string UFA kind of player. But my eyes tell me differently. He looks like the real deal. And in the video from training camp, he still looks like the real deal. My eyes tell me he is the real deal; my fears tell me he can't be.

I guess when it comes down to it, I just really, really enjoyed watching him play for whatever reason. He brought a smile to my face, and I was always excited when he dropped back to pass. So regardless of what he becomes, I'm going to enjoy watching him.
 

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cobra;1574457 said:
The concept of Romo is such a hard thing for me to grasp on.

The way he was brought along; the lack of pedigree; the 3rd string for 3 years; the way that talk of Romo in the beginning was kind of a joke (in the old, 'we love the guy on the bench' kind of way); the way he always seemed happy-go-lucky and talking about golf.

Romo, at one level, seems like shtick to me. He seems like a gag.

But when he plays, he impresses the hell out of me. Even on his off games, I liked a lot of what he was doing. He stats are impressive. His moxy was too. He made things happen. At times he was a little "wheels off," but I think that will tone down as he develops.

But I hard time believing me eyes. Surely *this guy* can't be *this good.* It seems like a dream. And I have this fearful feeling that eventually we are all going to wake up, and he will be this 3rd string UFA kind of player. But my eyes tell me differently. He looks like the real deal. And in the video from training camp, he still looks like the real deal. My eyes tell me he is the real deal; my fears tell me he can't be.

I guess when it comes down to it, I just really, really enjoyed watching him play for whatever reason. He brought a smile to my face, and I was always excited when he dropped back to pass. So regardless of what he becomes, I'm going to enjoy watching him.

The confessions of a draft snob?

:eek:

:D j/k
 

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cobra;1574457 said:
The concept of Romo is such a hard thing for me to grasp on.

The way he was brought along; the lack of pedigree; the 3rd string for 3 years; the way that talk of Romo in the beginning was kind of a joke (in the old, 'we love the guy on the bench' kind of way); the way he always seemed happy-go-lucky and talking about golf.

Romo, at one level, seems like shtick to me. He seems like a gag.

But when he plays, he impresses the hell out of me. Even on his off games, I liked a lot of what he was doing. He stats are impressive. His moxy was too. He made things happen. At times he was a little "wheels off," but I think that will tone down as he develops.

But I hard time believing me eyes. Surely *this guy* can't be *this good.* It seems like a dream. And I have this fearful feeling that eventually we are all going to wake up, and he will be this 3rd string UFA kind of player. But my eyes tell me differently. He looks like the real deal. And in the video from training camp, he still looks like the real deal. My eyes tell me he is the real deal; my fears tell me he can't be.

I guess when it comes down to it, I just really, really enjoyed watching him play for whatever reason. He brought a smile to my face, and I was always excited when he dropped back to pass. So regardless of what he becomes, I'm going to enjoy watching him.

I understand what you are saying here for sure.

Every year there are end of the bench guys who are supposedly going to set the world afire who we magically unearthed unbeknownst to all other football evaluators. We are simply smarter than everyone else. Be it Woody Dantzler or Troy Hambrick or any number of late round pick FA guys we have seen worshiped by some/many/myself.

The difference in the Tony Romo case is:
a. the team had patience with him allowing him to truly develop.
b. he has been loved by every QB evaluator for 4 years.(Ron Wolf, Sean Payton, Babe Laughenberg Troy Aikman, BP and everyone else who has commented)
c. he has knocked prospect guys like drew henson off the stage completely.
d. he has actually performed and made a pro bowl.
e. seriously a pro bowl.

None of these beloved underdogs has ever displayed that type of performance ability(KC Joyner said he looked like a more mobile Tom Brady???? after the Colts game).

Tony Romo is very much the real deal and he has shown it with virtually every pass. He didn't just survive Parcells, he thrived under him. He loved that Parcells challenged him and castigated him when he failed.

The signs are all there that we have found our franchise player. He's to the offense what Ware is to the defense and what Troy Aikman was to the local women. He has a little Michael Irvin swagger and charisma to him. He is the complete package. And as Jerry will tell ya he is even a boon for marketing with his Hispanic heritage going over huge in South Texas, Mexico and most of the rest of the country.
 

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cobra;1574457 said:
The concept of Romo is such a hard thing for me to grasp on.

The way he was brought along; the lack of pedigree; the 3rd string for 3 years; the way that talk of Romo in the beginning was kind of a joke (in the old, 'we love the guy on the bench' kind of way); the way he always seemed happy-go-lucky and talking about golf.

Romo, at one level, seems like shtick to me. He seems like a gag.

But when he plays, he impresses the hell out of me. Even on his off games, I liked a lot of what he was doing. He stats are impressive. His moxy was too. He made things happen. At times he was a little "wheels off," but I think that will tone down as he develops.

But I hard time believing me eyes. Surely *this guy* can't be *this good.* It seems like a dream. And I have this fearful feeling that eventually we are all going to wake up, and he will be this 3rd string UFA kind of player. But my eyes tell me differently. He looks like the real deal. And in the video from training camp, he still looks like the real deal. My eyes tell me he is the real deal; my fears tell me he can't be.

I guess when it comes down to it, I just really, really enjoyed watching him play for whatever reason. He brought a smile to my face, and I was always excited when he dropped back to pass. So regardless of what he becomes, I'm going to enjoy watching him.

This is spot on the way I see Romo. I coudn't have articulated it better.
 

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Very good report.......and I witnessed ROMO making all those throws.....his deep outs are picture perfect.

Sign him now Jerry or pay the big price later.......bye bye salary cap
 
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