Viable draft philosophy

[Chuck 54]

Based on our needs, depth in the draft, and perceived value, here’s what I see happening, perhaps with a combination of trades down and up.

1. OG (any of the top 2-3) unless McClinchy or someone else drops to us as a starting RT
2. LB (maybe Malik Jefferson is the ideal guy who can play inside or outside)
3. DT / WR (maybe both in 3rd round)

Selecting to the draft’s strengths and not entirely BPA (unless 19 is way out of balance) could net 4 players who contribute heavily. Possibly 2 starters and 2 rotational guys for 2018....others to develop.

 

[cnuball21]

I think last year was a good blueprint.

Attack BPA at position of but also take what the draft gives you.

Ex: Taco was last quality DE available they liked and they had King on the board with a similar grade. Class was loaded at DB, so they took the DE knowing they had a great shot at a Can in the 2nd.

Ended up landing 2 studs in Chido and Lewis while also adding Woods.

This year, interior OL and WR have great depth. I'd go DT/LB early knowing I can probably get a quality G/WR in mid rounds.

 

[Stash]

Based on our needs, depth in the draft, and perceived value, here’s what I see happening, perhaps with a combination of trades down and up.

1. OG (any of the top 2-3) unless McClinchy or someone else drops to us as a starting RT
2. LB (maybe Malik Jefferson is the ideal guy who can play inside or outside)
3. DT / WR (maybe both in 3rd round)

Selecting to the draft’s strengths and not entirely BPA (unless 19 is way out of balance) could net 4 players who contribute heavily. Possibly 2 starters and 2 rotational guys for 2018....others to develop.

Here's a piece they did over at bloggingtheboys.com where they did several mocks to find the best bang for the buck:

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...k-for-dallas-cowboys-vita-vea-shaquem-griffin

It seems to say a lot of the same thing that you're saying here. And I tend to agree with you both.

 

[Chuck 54]

Thanks for the opinions. I just don’t see the Cowboys finding value at DT or LB at 19. I’d like to see them fix the starting OL with a guard/RT right away or trade down in the first and then use picks to get 2-3 key players in round 2.

 

[Sandyf]

Whether the Boys will tell us anything or not, betting the starting LG will be Collins and starting RT will be Fleming and Green right now is your swing OT. Collins is a dominate LG while if you watch tape and look at the scoring at RT for all the starting RT has year, Collins ranked near the bottom. Yes, he can play RT but his best position is LG. I could see Dallas drafting a OT maybe in the 2nd or 3rd.

 

[cnuball21]

Whether the Boys will tell us anything or not, betting the starting LG will be Collins and starting RT will be Fleming and Green right now is your swing OT. Collins is a dominate LG while if you watch tape and look at the scoring at RT for all the starting RT has year, Collins ranked near the bottom. Yes, he can play RT but his best position is LG. I could see Dallas drafting a OT maybe in the 2nd or 3rd.

If Fleming is good enough to play RT this is our best bet IMO and it will also free us up in the draft.

I'd hate to see us burn the value of a top 20 selection on a G.

 

[Stash]

If Fleming is good enough to play RT this is our best bet IMO and it will also free us up in the draft.

I'd hate to see us burn the value of a top 20 selection on a G.

Would you feel the same way if Tyron Smith is hurt again and Chaz Green is the "next man up" again in 2018?

 

[cnuball21]

Would you feel the same way if Tyron Smith is hurt again and Chaz Green is the "next man up" again in 2018?

Given my above scenario, I'd still be active in looking for a swing tackle in the draft.

 

[Stash]

Given my above scenario, I'd still be active in looking for a swing tackle in the draft.

I'd say good luck with that. I think finding the left guard there would be much easier than finding a player coming out of college that can play both tackles spots.

 

[jday]

I think last year was a good blueprint.

Attack BPA at position of but also take what the draft gives you.

Ex: Taco was last quality DE available they liked and they had King on the board with a similar grade. Class was loaded at DB, so they took the DE knowing they had a great shot at a Can in the 2nd.

Ended up landing 2 studs in Chido and Lewis while also adding Woods.

This year, interior OL and WR have great depth. I'd go DT/LB early knowing I can probably get a quality G/WR in mid rounds.

My hope is absolutely either Vita or Rashaan Evans in the first; I have no interest in another 3-tech DT because the Cowboys have a log jam there as it is. But acknowledging last years draft strategy, I think they may be handcuffed to addressing the offensive line, unless they really like Fleming or Martin as a starter....which I'm not sure about. I suspect most of the starter quality offensive lineman will be off the board by 50, so unless they trade up, which is a real possibility, they may have to address it day 1.

 

[cnuball21]

I'd say good luck with that. I think finding the left guard there would be much easier than finding a player coming out of college that can play both tackles spots.

And I'd say if most teams lose there starting LT they would be in a world of hurt...

If we lost Smith again our chances of winning would suffer again.

 

[cnuball21]

My hope is absolutely either Vita or Rashaan Evans in the first; I have no interest in another 3-tech DT because the Cowboys have a log jam there as it is. But acknowledging last years draft strategy, I think they may be handcuffed to addressing the offensive line, unless they really like Fleming or Martin as a starter....which I'm not sure about. I suspect most of the starter quality offensive lineman will be off the board by 50, so unless they trade up, which is a real possibility, they may have to address it day 1.

They have bodies at 3T, none of which are great.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Things to keep in mind:
We like taking the best player at a certain position in each draft.

Candidates at 19 and 50 for that may be:
McGlinchy OT
Hurst 3 DT
Vea /Payne 1DT
Ridley WR
Goedert / Andrews/ Hurst however they have them ranked

They usually use the 2nd round for taking a top talent with a red flag. Either injury or legal trouble.

Hurst comes to mind

 

[jday]

They have bodies at 3T, none of which are great.

David Irving is more than solid; you might even say great if he could be more consistent. Maliek Collins hasn't had many opportunities because they play him more as a 1-tech, but he could be great at 3-tech. And then the Cowboys recently picked up Ealy, who has both the size and get-off that the Cowboys like to play 3-tech on Nickel Downs.

Meanwhile, as of right now, Joe Thomas (recent special teams acquisition from the Packers) is your Middle Linebacker.

 

[Stash]

And I'd say if most teams lose there starting LT they would be in a world of hurt...

If we lost Smith again our chances of winning would suffer again.

Undoubtedly. But then there are degrees suffering. There's "Vaitai suffering", where the Eagles still function well enough to win a Super Bowl, and then there's "Chaz Green/Byron Bell suffering", where you can turn out the lights on your offense and your season.

 

[cnuball21]

David Irving is more than solid; you might even say great if he could be more consistent. Maliek Collins hasn't had many opportunities because they play him more as a 1-tech, but he could be great at 3-tech. And then the Cowboys recently picked up Ealy, who has both the size and get-off that the Cowboys like to play 3-tech on Nickel Downs.

Meanwhile, as of right now, Joe Thomas (recent special teams acquisition from the Packers) is your Middle Linebacker.

Irving - isn't a 3T only, and has shifted all over the line. Started games at 1T last year.
Collins - was playing out of position at times last year, but his inability to play the run well isn't changing if he's playing 3T. It was bad when he was there in year 1.
Ealy - he's a DE, he's not going to play 3T.

LB is a huge need as well, certainly can't argue against that, I'm just saying that just because we have bodies at 3T doesn't mean it's not a need.

 

[cnuball21]

Undoubtedly. But then there are degrees suffering. There's "Vaitai suffering", where the Eagles still function well enough to win a Super Bowl, and then there's "Chaz Green/Byron Bell suffering", where you can turn out the lights on your offense and your season.

Absolutely, but I think a majority of teams in the league would get hurt a lot more than the Eagles did.

 

[jday]

Irving - isn't a 3T only, and has shifted all over the line. Started games at 1T last year.
Collins - was playing out of position at times last year, but his inability to play the run well isn't changing if he's playing 3T. It was bad when he was there in year 1.
Ealy - he's a DE, he's not going to play 3T.

LB is a huge need as well, certainly can't argue against that, I'm just saying that just because we have bodies at 3T doesn't mean it's not a need.

I suspect we define need differently then.

 

[Stash]

Absolutely, but I think a majority of teams in the league would get hurt a lot more than the Eagles did.

But less than the records for futility that the Cowboys set.

Green was, in fact, so bad that he never saw the field again on offense after that Atlanta debacle.

People can say whatever they want to about him, his past, his present, and his future, but that fact and the team's actions hold much more weight than anyone's words on him.

 

[cnuball21]

I suspect we define need differently then.

I think you improve your roster by improving the weakest links.

For me, both DT sports are pretty high on the list in terms of needing an upgrade.

Obviously MLB and LG are up there too.