Vick must grow from elite athlete to elite QB

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The arrival of pitchers and catchers is about possibility. The start of two-a-days is about expectation.

That’s a generalization, and because it is, you can shoot any number of holes in it. But it will remain true. In baseball, you never know what kind of season a player is going to have. In football, you know what kind of season to expect.

And of all the players over whom expectation hangs like humidity on a Houston afternoon in August, perhaps none bears as heavy a weight as Michael Vick. He is 25 years old and entering his fifth NFL season. He has more athletic ability than any person at his position has ever had — maybe more than anyone at any position.

It’s time for him to harness it.
Vick hasn’t been a failure by any but the most unforgiving of criteria. He’s been to the playoffs in each of his two full years as quarterback — 2002 and 2004. He’s led off a thousand highlight reels, and he’s given Falcons fans a reason to buy season tickets.

He’s a good guy who doesn’t show off after great plays, doesn’t assault cameramen, doesn’t whine about how he’s perceived, doesn’t complain about being underpaid, doesn’t try to renegotiate his contract every 10 minutes, and never compares himself to supernatural beings.

Put that together with his incredible athletic skills, and you have a person who is great for his sport. And if you asked me if I’d want Michael Vick to be the quarterback of my team, I’d say yes.

But a couple of weeks ago in Sports Illustrated, Vick said he is a quarterback in the NFL, not just a great athlete who can count to hut-two. And while it’s true he plays that position, he has yet to master it.

As a running back, he’s superb, gaining more than 900 yards last year and leading his team to an 11-5 record. But at the skill at which NFL quarterbacks are expected to excel — passing — he is barely competent. In the playoffs, that lack of an ability to do the thing a quarterback has to do — move the ball down the field through the air — cost the Falcons dearly when they were crushed in the second round by the Eagles.

Philly decided that Vick wasn’t going to run that day, and they held him to 28 yards, four fewer than his counterpart, Donovan McNabb, collected. When Vick tried to pass, he was terrible — 11-for-24 for a paltry 136 yards. The best running quarterback ever took four sacks for -34 yards.

It wasn’t just a bad day at the office. For all his talent, Vick last year completed just 56 percent of his passes, threw for only 14 touchdowns and was sacked 46 times. He was 30th in the league in passing yards per game, 27th in completion percentage, 28th in touchdowns through the air and 20th in quarterback rating. He was, however, first in sacks-per-game and second in total sacks.

These are not the stats of an All-Pro. If any other quarterback had those numbers, I wouldn’t be writing about him because he wouldn’t be playing, or, if he were, it would be for a team so bad it wouldn’t be worth discussing. So it’s a tribute to Vick’s athletic ability that despite his abysmal passing statistics, he took his team to such an impressive record.

But the ultimate goal in the NFL, as in any sport, isn’t just to have a good regular season or even to win a division or a conference. It’s to win a championship. So far, Vick hasn’t done that, and, as we saw last year against Philly, if he doesn’t improve in the primary skill a quarterback must have — passing the football — he isn’t going to do it. He isn’t even going to get to the Super Bowl and have the chance.

The Eagles did to him what all good football teams do when presented with an extraordinary threat. They took away what he does best and forced him to do what he does worst. The strategy worked perfectly. The Falcons never had a chance.

You can lay some of the blame on Vick’s receivers. Other than tight end Algie Crumpler, he doesn’t have a lot to throw to. Peerless Price has been a priceless disappointment. Nobody else has been accused of having Pro Bowl talent.

But a receiver’s stats depend on having somebody who can get him the ball. Great quarterbacks make good receivers out of average talents. They make great receivers out of superior talents, because they get them the ball in places where they can do the most damage.

Great quarterbacks hit receivers coming off their breaks. They look off defensive backs, find their second and third reads, know where every receiver is at all times. Put Tom Brady, a man who has never been accused of being the world’s greatest athlete, among such signal callers. Put Payton Manning there, too. And Troy Aikman and Dan Marino and Joe Namath.
Having athletic talent doesn’t hurt. Mix that in with quarterback skills and you have Joe Montana, Steve Young, Roger Staubach, John Elway, Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and a host of others.

primary weapon.
He has to complete 60 percent of his passes. That’s a starting point for the best these days. He has to throw for 20 TDs, not a huge number, but enough to make his passing dangerous. He has to throw for at least 3,000 yards, again, a modest number. He can’t take another 46 sacks.

That’s what you should expect of Michael Vick. If he puts up those kinds of numbers, the rest will take care of itself and his running will be a weapon, not something that can sometimes be a liability.

He is expected to grow in his job. He is expected to take it to the next level. He is expected to carry the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

He’s proved his athletic skills. This year, he has to prove his quarterback skills.
Mike Celizic writes regularly for NBCSports.com and is a freelance writer based in New York.
 

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Is this a treasure hunt? If so, I found the missing text on this one!!

Doomsday101 said:
The arrival of pitchers and catchers is about possibility. The start of two-a-days is about expectation.

That’s a generalization, and because it is, you can shoot any number of holes in it. But it will remain true. In baseball, you never know what kind of season a player is going to have. In football, you know what kind of season to expect.

And of all the players over whom expectation hangs like humidity on a Houston afternoon in August, perhaps none bears as heavy a weight as Michael Vick. He is 25 years old and entering his fifth NFL season. He has more athletic ability than any person at his position has ever had — maybe more than anyone at any position.

It’s time for him to harness it.
Vick hasn’t been a failure by any but the most unforgiving of criteria. He’s been to the playoffs in each of his two full years as quarterback — 2002 and 2004. He’s led off a thousand highlight reels, and he’s given Falcons fans a reason to buy season tickets.

He’s a good guy who doesn’t show off after great plays, doesn’t assault cameramen, doesn’t whine about how he’s perceived, doesn’t complain about being underpaid, doesn’t try to renegotiate his contract every 10 minutes, and never compares himself to supernatural beings.

Put that together with his incredible athletic skills, and you have a person who is great for his sport. And if you asked me if I’d want Michael Vick to be the quarterback of my team, I’d say yes.

But a couple of weeks ago in Sports Illustrated, Vick said he is a quarterback in the NFL, not just a great athlete who can count to hut-two. And while it’s true he plays that position, he has yet to master it.

As a running back, he’s superb, gaining more than 900 yards last year and leading his team to an 11-5 record. But at the skill at which NFL quarterbacks are expected to excel — passing — he is barely competent. In the playoffs, that lack of an ability to do the thing a quarterback has to do — move the ball down the field through the air — cost the Falcons dearly when they were crushed in the second round by the Eagles.

Philly decided that Vick wasn’t going to run that day, and they held him to 28 yards, four fewer than his counterpart, Donovan McNabb, collected. When Vick tried to pass, he was terrible — 11-for-24 for a paltry 136 yards. The best running quarterback ever took four sacks for -34 yards.

It wasn’t just a bad day at the office. For all his talent, Vick last year completed just 56 percent of his passes, threw for only 14 touchdowns and was sacked 46 times. He was 30th in the league in passing yards per game, 27th in completion percentage, 28th in touchdowns through the air and 20th in quarterback rating. He was, however, first in sacks-per-game and second in total sacks.

These are not the stats of an All-Pro. If any other quarterback had those numbers, I wouldn’t be writing about him because he wouldn’t be playing, or, if he were, it would be for a team so bad it wouldn’t be worth discussing. So it’s a tribute to Vick’s athletic ability that despite his abysmal passing statistics, he took his team to such an impressive record.

But the ultimate goal in the NFL, as in any sport, isn’t just to have a good regular season or even to win a division or a conference. It’s to win a championship. So far, Vick hasn’t done that, and, as we saw last year against Philly, if he doesn’t improve in the primary skill a quarterback must have — passing the football — he isn’t going to do it. He isn’t even going to get to the Super Bowl and have the chance.

The Eagles did to him what all good football teams do when presented with an extraordinary threat. They took away what he does best and forced him to do what he does worst. The strategy worked perfectly. The Falcons never had a chance.

You can lay some of the blame on Vick’s receivers. Other than tight end Algie Crumpler, he doesn’t have a lot to throw to. Peerless Price has been a priceless disappointment. Nobody else has been accused of having Pro Bowl talent.

But a receiver’s stats depend on having somebody who can get him the ball. Great quarterbacks make good receivers out of average talents. They make great receivers out of superior talents, because they get them the ball in places where they can do the most damage.

Great quarterbacks hit receivers coming off their breaks. They look off defensive backs, find their second and third reads, know where every receiver is at all times. Put Tom Brady, a man who has never been accused of being the world’s greatest athlete, among such signal callers. Put Payton Manning there, too. And Troy Aikman and Dan Marino and Joe Namath.
Having athletic talent doesn’t hurt. Mix that in with quarterback skills and you have Joe Montana, Steve Young, Roger Staubach, John Elway, Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and a host of others.


That’s the group Vick needs to join if he’s going to be what everyone hopes he can be. The skills they had are the skills he needs. Running needs to be a bonus, not his
primary weapon.


He has to complete 60 percent of his passes. That’s a starting point for the best these days. He has to throw for 20 TDs, not a huge number, but enough to make his passing dangerous. He has to throw for at least 3,000 yards, again, a modest number. He can’t take another 46 sacks.

That’s what you should expect of Michael Vick. If he puts up those kinds of numbers, the rest will take care of itself and his running will be a weapon, not something that can sometimes be a liability.

He is expected to grow in his job. He is expected to take it to the next level. He is expected to carry the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

He’s proved his athletic skills. This year, he has to prove his quarterback skills.
Mike Celizic writes regularly for NBCSports.com and is a freelance writer based in New York.


Now the question is, how does that paragraph fit into the puzzle begun with Joe Gibbs..

Just kidding with ya, Dooms..I know you must be posting from work.

That was a good read, and fair enough. I liked the mention that Vick is a "good guy"; despite the recent accusation against him, he's been a trooper in Atlanta.

His performance against the Rams last year in the playoffs was glorious, and his passing stats will never reflect his contributions. But he fell woefully short the next week.

He does indeed need to step it up, specially since he is running a wco and 60 per passing is closer to adequate than impressive in one.

Tho a guy barely six feet tall in today's NFL is never going to carry a pocket like the QBs four inches plus taller.
 

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Is this a treasure hunt? If so, I found the missing text on this one!!




Now the question is, how does that paragraph fit into the puzzle begun with Joe Gibbs..

Just kidding with ya, Dooms..I know you must be posting from work.

That was a good read, and fair enough. I liked the mention that Vick is a "good guy"; despite the recent accusation against him, he's been a trooper in Atlanta.

His performance against the Rams last year in the playoffs was glorious, and his passing stats will never reflect his contributions. But he fell woefully short the next week.

He does indeed need to step it up, specially since he is running a wco and 60 per passing is closer to adequate than impressive in one.

Tho a guy barely six feet tall in today's NFL is never going to carry a pocket like the QBs four inches plus taller.

I have said time and again I think Vick is a great athlete maybe the best athlete in football, but right now I see him as a RB more than I do a QB because he takes off at the drop of a hat and a top QB can't do that, he must allow his WR to come out of their breaks and then he needs to be able to throw the pass in a position that allows the WR to run after the catch. I know we have a lot of debates about pocket QB or mobile QB but for me the ability to make the reads make the accurate throws is a must, mobility is a great asset to have but it can't be the only asset the QB possesses.
 

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Could you imagine how things may be for The chargers right now? WOuld you looking back STILL take Tomlinson over, Vick? I would.
 

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tomlinson and vick were in the same draft?...i coulda sworn tomlinson was older
 

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Tomlinson went #5, the pick the Chargers traded down from #1 with the Falcons/
 

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I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
 

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Never in a million years. Michael Vick is the most overhyped player EVER.

He was nothing but hype at VT, where his passing skills were inadequate but his legs were phenomenal, and he's nothing but hype in the NFL, where his passing skills are inadequate, but his legs are phenomenal....

It's been what, 5 years now since he stepped on the field at VT as a starting QB and he's no better a passer now than he was then. Its' never going to happen, folks. Micheal Vick flat out stinks as a passer, and its never going to change.
 

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What I would do, is tell him at TC, he is NOT ALLOWED to scramble. He HAS to stay in the pocket( now im not gonna let him get sacked, i'll blow the whistle) but make it to the point where he thinks throw first, run 2nd
 

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Doomsday101 said:
And if you asked me if I’d want Michael Vick to be the quarterback of my team, I’d say yes.
I'd say no. He is a running back playing QB.
 

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IF that "running back playing QB" can SINGLE-HANDEDLY get his team to the playoffs....

then MAYBE, just MAYBE everyone on this board should be saying... SURE, I would love him on my team.
 

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Never in a million years. Michael Vick is the most overhyped player EVER.

He was nothing but hype at VT, where his passing skills were inadequate but his legs were phenomenal, and he's nothing but hype in the NFL, where his passing skills are inadequate, but his legs are phenomenal....

It's been what, 5 years now since he stepped on the field at VT as a starting QB and he's no better a passer now than he was then. Its' never going to happen, folks. Micheal Vick flat out stinks as a passer, and its never going to change.

i agree in a bit less venomous tone. He's a dangerous player, but only if he can run. The thing is that reading defenses and finding the open receiver is a very very difficult skill to develop and it only gets harder in the NFL as defenses are more veiled, the players quicker, and the schemes more complex. If a QB doesn't learn to read defenses and rely mostly on his brain and secondly on his arm in college, I don't see any way he's going to be able to do it in the pros. Frankly, some guys just aren't smart enough to do it as it requires some IQ, not saying that's Vick's case, just generally.
Vick is going to take whomever coaches him on an emotional roller coaster and never get over the hump. At some point down the road, someone will get so frustrated with him that they'll start a true passing QB, just exactly like what happened in Pittsburgh with Kordell Stewart. Wonder if ole Mexico will become slash part II.
 

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don't bank on it... I believe he's currently getting paid WELL over 100 million dollars.
 

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ghst187 said:
i agree in a bit less venomous tone. He's a dangerous player, but only if he can run. The thing is that reading defenses and finding the open receiver is a very very difficult skill to develop and it only gets harder in the NFL as defenses are more veiled, the players quicker, and the schemes more complex. If a QB doesn't learn to read defenses and rely mostly on his brain and secondly on his arm in college, I don't see any way he's going to be able to do it in the pros. Frankly, some guys just aren't smart enough to do it as it requires some IQ, not saying that's Vick's case, just generally.
Vick is going to take whomever coaches him on an emotional roller coaster and never get over the hump. At some point down the road, someone will get so frustrated with him that they'll start a true passing QB, just exactly like what happened in Pittsburgh with Kordell Stewart. Wonder if ole Mexico will become slash part II.

Brains got nothing to do with it. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to play QB, you just have to be smart enough to know where to throw it. There have been a ton of guys that were probably none too bright but played the QB spot decently well at any level of competition. Vick is just too raw, too innacurate with his throws. He throws the ball as hard as he can on EVERY pass. He's a better passer than Kordell, but that's not saying much. One thing Vick doesn't do as much is make critical errors, his INTs have always been way down for a player with his accuracy problems. But if you had a dollar for every overthrow over his reciever's head he's ever had since college, Bill Gates would be calling you "Boss".
 

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DrewHensonSoonerNotLater said:
Never in a million years. Michael Vick is the most overhyped player EVER.

He was nothing but hype at VT, where his passing skills were inadequate but his legs were phenomenal, and he's nothing but hype in the NFL, where his passing skills are inadequate, but his legs are phenomenal....

It's been what, 5 years now since he stepped on the field at VT as a starting QB and he's no better a passer now than he was then. Its' never going to happen, folks. Micheal Vick flat out stinks as a passer, and its never going to change.

yes, what he said

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DrewHensonSoonerNotLater said:
Brains got nothing to do with it. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to play QB, you just have to be smart enough to know where to throw it. There have been a ton of guys that were probably none too bright but played the QB spot decently well at any level of competition. Vick is just too raw, too innacurate with his throws. He throws the ball as hard as he can on EVERY pass. He's a better passer than Kordell, but that's not saying much. One thing Vick doesn't do as much is make critical errors, his INTs have always been way down for a player with his accuracy problems. But if you had a dollar for every overthrow over his reciever's head he's ever had since college, Bill Gates would be calling you "Boss".

he has alot of potential ints dropped, and when you talk about critical errors you have to include all his fumbles and missed wide open receivers as well...

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IF that "running back playing QB" can SINGLE-HANDEDLY get his team to the playoffs....

then MAYBE, just MAYBE everyone on this board should be saying... SURE, I would love him on my team.
It's just a matter of time before 3 things happen. First, he gets hurt to the point he loses his effectiveness to constantly run. Then what? Second, defenses will start to catch up with him forcing him to become a better passing QB, if he can. Third, people will realize getting to the playoffs doesn't matter. Remember...it's all about the ring. Ask Marino.
 
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