Vital to implement TE Jake Ferguson back into this offense

[Chasing6]

No he didn't 101 catches for almost 1200 yards and six touchdowns and 15 games is not a down year it's more of an expectation if you spread that over 17 games it's 1400 yards and ten touchdowns that is a normal year for a great wide receiver again you're wrong and there's a reason I have you on ignoring this is why you're so delusional you're basically trying to compare Ferguson's down year to CD Labs numbers which were not down they're only down because he had a career monster year the year before..

It's totally insane for you to say it not only say it once but come back at me and then call him Rico Dowdle are you serious rico had two touchdowns and one he barely bobbled the man wasn't impressive at all and you're talking about Lamb who played with a bad shoulder until he couldn't anymore he cried uncle and left..

Not having this conversation Ferguson's not even in the same zip code as cd lamb cd Lam's down here would be 800 yards and two touchdowns that would be a down year when a man in 15 games has close to 1200 yards and seven touchdowns had a bad shoulder and had to play with Cooper Rush I would say that is a very good year not a down year your expectations are flawed there's no way you can hold him against his own career year..

Jakes a A fringe player he has not done a single thing, in the nfl yet to compare him to Lamb,.get out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AJ Brown played 17 games he had worse stats than lamb I hate to break it to you lamb was still a top 10 receiver in the NFL when you call it a down year he didn't have a down year he had a year of what you would want to expect from your starting wide receiver especially without his starting quarterback it's absolutely a very Good year a solid year jake Ferguson even the year before that was nothing to be proud of..LOL

.see ya

Compared to 2023, it was definitely a down year. He was paid off of 2023. He clearly had a down year.

If you asked CD Lamb, himself, he would classify last year, as a down year.

I did not call him Rico Dowdle. He had the same amount of yards as Rico Dowdle. That is a fact. Look it up.

I never said Ferguson was in the same zip code as CD. Their positions are not in the same zip code. I clearly stated they both had down years, clearly due to not having their starting QB and injuries.

You can't use the same excuse for CD, then ignore it for Ferguson.

 

[Reid1boys]

Good GM's don't care what fans think. Definitely not this board.

Good GM can evaluate talent period. They don't need stats, from a down year.

Jerry likes to pay everyone after their best year ever, at their peak value.

I never said Jerry cares... because a guy worth about 17 billion dollars doesnt give one damn what others think. I just said this board will crucify him no matter what. And spare me what all the great GMs do. They suck until the get a HOF QB, then they quickly become "Great Gms." How good is the GM in Steeler Land?

KCs GM is looking pretty good, isnt he.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

If healthy you would be surprised.

Again take a look at CD's numbers. He gets a pass for a down year, but Ferguson does not.

Not sure why you're white knighting for Ferguson so hard. He clearly was not the player he was in 2023, while CeeDee was as studly as ever.

It doesn't mean Fergy is a bum or a bust or any of that. Hopefully he plays this year like he did two years ago, because he really showed something then. But last year was definitely a down year.

And Dak did play almost half the year. Some people act like he only played a few games before getting hurt.

 

[Reid1boys]

They were absolutely correct on Dalton Schultz you don't sign a guy because you think he had a down year and might bounce back besides I don't think Ferguson would take $8 million a year you guys always think that if the Cowboys just walk up and just offer something that's technically lowballs and say Hey will you take this now because you had a off season most players in their agents would say no we're going to bet on ourselves dalton Schultz bet on himself and lost but least he's got a job over there with the Texans but have you seen his stat steadily going down guy had like 56 catches for like under 600 yards and two touchdowns last year that's pretty much who he is sometimes guys just simply peek and you pay him you're going to look really stupid..

I don't understand the concept you you guys are like oh the cowards are stupid for not paying a guy because he might be good in the future that's not how I would run a business what if now he becomes concussion prone what if now he ends up with a concussion every year what if his 800 yard season was his best season just like Dalton Schultz isn't that a lesson learned?

You guys are overrating this guy big time I mean if I'm wrong I'm wrong but I'd prefer to see a guy prove it and earn his money even if you have to pay a little bit more than being stupid and getting ahead of it and paying a guy $8 million for nothing you do realize that's what happened with Dallas Goedert right look like he was going to be the next George Kittles have you seen his last three post contract years yeah the Eagles are smart there he's not doing anything.

I mean some of you guys really don't pay attention to the nfl debo Samuel same thing as a matter of fact I think both Dallas goddert and Samuels got new deals in 2021 and it been on the decline every year since matter of fact they just restructured Dallas Goddard's contract to one year 10 million instead of trading him or cutting him it was a mistake they got ahead of it both teams and both teams did not get their returns....

Please do not tell me what I pay attention to. Dallas Goedert is an absolute stud. He hasnt been in decline. The guy cant stay healthy, and no GM can predict injuries. I would bet my paycheck I watch more football then you. Anyone playing Fantasy Football watches everyone. I watch damn near 80% of games played each week.

I pay attention.You just seem to think being a GM is so easy and decisions are all black and white. There are guys that get big deals from every team in the league that seem to fade off...... its the nature of the beast.

There are also 4,and 5th... even 6th rd draft picks that end up being pro bowlers. If it were so simple, 1st three rds would be full of stars and 4th -7th rd picks would all get cut.

Hell, we have a kicker and Turpin who are studs at what they do. Pretty sure nobody drafted them.

 

[Chasing6]

I never said Jerry cares... because a guy worth about 17 billion dollars doesnt give one damn what others think. I just said this board will crucify him no matter what. And spare me what all the great GMs do. They suck until the get a HOF QB, then they quickly become "Great Gms." How good is the GM in Steeler Land?

KCs GM is looking pretty good, isnt he.

No, I disagree. This board will nor crucify him for winning another SB.

HOF QB's have good GM's. You can't win a SB without a good GM. If Jerry was a good GM in the 90's, what the hell happened to him over the last 30 years?

It is 100% clear that Jimmy Johnson was the brain trust of the organization.

 

[blueblood70]

Please do not tell me what I pay attention to. Dallas Goedert is an absolute stud. He hasnt been in decline. The guy cant stay healthy, and no GM can predict injuries. I would bet my paycheck I watch more football then you. Anyone playing Fantasy Football watches everyone. I watch damn near 80% of games played each week.

I pay attention.You just seem to think being a GM is so easy and decisions are all black and white. There are guys that get big deals from every team in the league that seem to fade off...... its the nature of the beast.

There are also 4,and 5th... even 6th rd draft picks that end up being pro bowlers. If it were so simple, 1st three rds would be full of stars and 4th -7th rd picks would all get cut.

Hell, we have a kicker and Turpin who are studs at what they do. Pretty sure nobody drafted them.

He's in decline when you peek three years ago when you got paid and every one of your years is worse since, that's in decline debo Samuel same thing look at Amari Cooper that's a down year look at some of these other guys like Keenan Allen and some receivers yes they're in decline when your numbers go down every year for three straight years you're in decline...

You can try to sugarcoat it by saying injuries have made him decline you're just using semantics you're in decline if your numbers every year go down there can't be a better definition of in decline that happens players get paid around here and when they don't live up to their pay everyone says they're washed and they're in decline but now he's an eagle he's not washing in decline look I don't care what you see with your eyes the man's stats have went down every year as a matter of fact ferguson their numbers were almost exact last year but set ones up making a big contract on a Super Bowl team in ones not....

You can blame all this crap on injuries all you want they're still in decline your availability is your biggest asset you're no good to your team being the highest paid and then do nothing literally nothing that's what you call him decline when you have three years let's go straight downhill you're trying to tell me Debo Samuels isn't in decline it's it happened at the same time they both got paid and they both had their stats go down every year...

Thank God you're not a GM thank God there are people in this professional sports league that don't see a guy like Ferguson is like a top 10 tight end he's not he should not get paid like one until he proves he is one...

 

[Reid1boys]

No, I disagree. This board will nor crucify him for winning another SB.

HOF QB's have good GM's. You can't win a SB without a good GM. If Jerry was a good GM in the 90's, what the hell happened to him over the last 30 years?

It is 100% clear that Jimmy Johnson was the brain trust of the organization.

I dont give one damn about Jimmy being the brain trust. All these GMs are roughly the same, they fit into a statistical bell shaped curve. Difference is some have a Brady and Mahomes, and others get Justin Fields.

 

[blueblood70]

Please do not tell me what I pay attention to. Dallas Goedert is an absolute stud. He hasnt been in decline. The guy cant stay healthy, and no GM can predict injuries. I would bet my paycheck I watch more football then you. Anyone playing Fantasy Football watches everyone. I watch damn near 80% of games played each week.

I pay attention.You just seem to think being a GM is so easy and decisions are all black and white. There are guys that get big deals from every team in the league that seem to fade off...... its the nature of the beast.

There are also 4,and 5th... even 6th rd draft picks that end up being pro bowlers. If it were so simple, 1st three rds would be full of stars and 4th -7th rd picks would all get cut.

Hell, we have a kicker and Turpin who are studs at what they do. Pretty sure nobody drafted them.

First of all bringing players over from another league is just like a draft they're just like rookies somebody noticed them they brought him over in their first years we're here I don't understand what you're trying to explain to me yes Turpin's really good at what he can do but my expectation for him is I want to see more touchdowns I remember when this whole thing last year came up about the change and the rules and the kickoffs I still want to see more scores so he he hasn't peaked yet and if he has yeah I'm gonna be disappointed I wanna see more of him both at wide receiver and score more touchdowns on punt and kick returns yeah I like to see more I don't know if I call him a stud he's not Devin Hester I mean who were the most elite returners you can remember and how many touchdowns did they have in a career he sure ain't Deon Sanders and Dion didn't do it for very long but that's what you call an elite returner.

Let's not get into that I use the same scale for all players yes I like with Turpins done taking the long route over here the same with Aubrey and the same butler butler looks like he could be a keeper but they're all actually free agents but it's the same thing as getting drafted is an undrafted free agent basically because they're new to the league they're rookies their first years no matter what you do with them but I don't know what your point is I am going to use the same scale for everyone in Ferguson that's too much to prove to act like he's done something in this league yet he's done nothing in this league to act like he should get a free pass without having an absolute exceptional year this year..

Because you can replace his stats I'm not having this conversation anymore but this is it for me you can replace his stats with younger cheaper players until you find a guy like George Kittle where we want to Brock Bowers we want another Jason Witten we don't need to give a contract early to a guy like Ferguson the same way we let go of Schultz and we were right about Schultz we said he was replaceable and he has been but right now Ferguson's not doing any better than Schultz that's the point here unless he does show something exceptional and I mean exceptional there's no reason to keep him let somebody else overpay.

 

[tunahelper]

Not to derail your thread, but he isn't a bust.

Agreed. The 2 TE offense along with run blocking potential for the OL should make the offensive balance a real weapon. TE should be able to make plays galore next year.

Now if we can stop the run ...

 

[Reid1boys]

He's in decline when you peek three years ago when you got paid and every one of your years is worse since, that's in decline debo Samuel same thing look at Amari Cooper that's a down year look at some of these other guys like Keenan Allen and some receivers yes they're in decline when your numbers go down every year for three straight years you're in decline...

You can try to sugarcoat it by saying injuries have made him decline you're just using semantics you're in decline if your numbers every year go down there can't be a better definition of in decline that happens players get paid around here and when they don't live up to their pay everyone says they're washed and they're in decline but now he's an eagle he's not washing in decline look I don't care what you see with your eyes the man's stats have went down every year as a matter of fact ferguson their numbers were almost exact last year but set ones up making a big contract on a Super Bowl team in ones not....

You can blame all this crap on injuries all you want they're still in decline your availability is your biggest asset you're no good to your team being the highest paid and then do nothing literally nothing that's what you call him decline when you have three years let's go straight downhill you're trying to tell me Debo Samuels isn't in decline it's it happened at the same time they both got paid and they both had their stats go down every year...

Thank God you're not a GM thank God there are people in this professional sports league that don't see a guy like Ferguson is like a top 10 tight end he's not he should not get paid like one until he proves he is one...

2 things..... please quote me where I said Ferguson is a top TE and worthy of getting a big payday.

2nd, I could be a GM and do as good a job as about 25 or so of the other GMs.

Bills GM hasnt won a SB, he sucks, right? If he does win one this year.... he is now a great GM..... bahahahhahahah. Let the golden goose of a QB go down and what the GM did or didnt do wont matter one bit.
But a Ferguson type TE making chump change.... I will take that all day long. This thig called a salary cap ensure roster churn, and it ensures teams MUST let go of excellent players because they cant afford them. Happens to every team, every season.

 

[blueblood70]

2 things..... please quote me where I said Ferguson is a top TE and worthy of getting a big payday.

2nd, I could be a GM and do as good a job as about 25 or so of the other GMs.

Bills GM hasnt won a SB, he sucks, right? If he does win one this year.... he is now a great GM..... bahahahhahahah. Let the golden goose of a QB go down and what the GM did or didnt do wont matter one bit.
But a Ferguson type TE making chump change.... I will take that all day long. This thig called a salary cap ensure roster churn, and it ensures teams MUST let go of excellent players because they cant afford them. Happens to every team, every season.

Like I said I'm not quoting you on that i'm saying You're telling Jerry he's dumb for not paying this guy three years 24 million and that's a mistake that's what I'm telling you you're overrating the man he's not even worth $8 million you know they got Derek Henry over there with the Ravens for $8 million I believe Saigon Bartley played for $8 million last year he's got big money now he actually went out and earned it but you act like $8 million is nothing in the NFL nowadays and it is something I'm telling you he hasn't earned the right to get an upfront contract just in case he turns out to be good...

Yes his rookie deal is chump change that's why he gets one more year there's no way I'm giving him $8 million a year for the next three years just in case he turns out to be good i'm sorry that's not how it works you're right most teens that lose their quarterback their starting quarterback is not going to have a Good year in a gm is going to look bad I don't know what your point is..

I'm just telling you you're telling Jerry he should pay Ferguson $8 million over the next three years just in case he turns out to be any good and I'm saying that will be a mistake because you can replace him with a guy similarly on a rookie contract or you can do what other teams have done and go get a guy like Zack erts who can still produce but you don't have to sign him to a long term deal ,you get him for one year at a time..

See Zach Ertz is a good example he's in decline he's older but he had a solid year last year a year in which basically Ferguson would be expected to do and it got him what a $6 million contract but only $2 million base salaries guaranteed he has to earn the rest and you want to hand $8 million to a guy like Ferguson yeah I don't think so... climate experts can I help you

yes, I agree you keep Ferguson under a rookie deal but if he doesn't show anything special you move on to the next guy .. It's exactly the same thing they did with Dalton Schultz I don't know why you're arguing with me dalton Schultz turned out to be a jag there's nothing wrong with a jag but you can't pay a jag $8 million a year.. That's just my opinion and I'm sorry it doesn't agree with you somehow all of a sudden Ferguson is going to be a huge loss if we move on from him and I'm saying you can draft guys like him i'm not that sure that schoonmaker might make a jump this year that's what's great about the competition we'll see..

There's quite a big list, ferguson is not the only one I'm picking on there's a lot of prove it year guys that either are not going to make this roster or they're going to have one more chance to make the roster next year or they're gone that's how it should be..


The Cowboys were right about Schultz they also made a mistake with Pollard they should not have given him $11 million on the franchise tag because he's just a good running back but you can replace these type of guys everyone kept saying no we should've gotta look at Rico did what Pollard did pollard and Rico were the same guy this year but we paid Rico what that's right a whole lot less and I'm betting if you feed Williams the ball enough he'll probably could give you similar numbers that's the point unless they're special you have to let him walk..

 

[Chasing6]

I dont give one damn about Jimmy being the brain trust. All these GMs are roughly the same, they fit into a statistical bell shaped curve. Difference is some have a Brady and Mahomes, and others get Justin Fields.

All QB's fit into a bell shaped curve.

The Difference is they have a real GM like Belichick or Andy Reid.

 

[Reid1boys]

All QB's fit into a bell shaped curve.

The Difference is they have a real GM like Belichick or Andy Reid.

bahahhahahahahahahah.... Belichek. The SECOND Brady left, that fantastic "PaTRIOT WAY", started looking an awful lot like "Bears way." The pats could get away with replacing this LB, that WR, this D lineman... all because they could replace them with a DECENT player, which isnt hard to do, and Brady made it irrelevant.

Andy Reid coached for 737 years and never won a SB. His Golden boy showed up and he started winning Lombardis like The Macho Man was winning Intercontinental Championships.

 

[XXLMike]

If you look at CD's numbers compared to 2023 you could say the same thing.

Agreed - CD had the droppsies too

 

[Xizor]

All QB's fit into a bell shaped curve.

The Difference is they have a real GM like Belichick or Andy Reid.

I hope you mean real coach because Belichick was horrible with player acquisitions. Great coach horrible GM.

 

[XXLMike]

He wasnt prepared? Im sorry, but these are the coments that drive me nuts. Wee you in the film rooms with him>? were you at practice? How the hell can you say he wasnt prepared?

You KNOW they have some TEs they like.... hmmmm, so what exactly has ANY of these wonderful TEs that the team really likes done in games? Have you sat down with a few of the coaches to make such a proclamation?

They traded for Milton, Im pretty sure I can safely say they lik ehim also. But I can also safely say that Dak will start every game he is healthy in.

You’re rambling dude
I said what I said - Ferguson regressed.

 

[Pass2Run]

I dont give one damn about Jimmy being the brain trust. All these GMs are roughly the same, they fit into a statistical bell shaped curve. Difference is some have a Brady and Mahomes, and others get Justin Fields.

Correct. If anything, it comes down to scouting and negotiation as much as anything else.

 

[Reid1boys]

You’re rambling dude
I said what I said - Ferguson regressed.

IM not rambling.. im just showing how ridiculous it is for ANY poster on this board to comment about what the coaches think about players. If you arent in coaches meetings, those comments are just foolish.

i said what I said.

 

[Typhus]

As a 4th round pick rookie, Jake Ferguson flashed athleticism and big play run after catch skills (the patent leap frog jump plays)

- In 2023, he was clearly gaining a rapport with Dak Prescott, ( and it's only with Dak ) ..do i think Fergy will/could be a stand out. Based off those promising flashes i thought Fergy could eventually be a Pro Bowl TE.

- With Cooper Rush subbing for an injured Dak, McCarthy's under-utlizing him, and a wicked concussion in week 11, that could've had that much more ill effect on him, Ferguson really took a major step back in '24.
Zero TDs in 2024, isn't a ringing endorsement.

- Oddly, even after his promising, display rookie year it was wide spread that the rumor the Cowboys were looking for a new starting TE ..thus the whispering rumors of draft interest in TEs Dalton Kincaid,(Bills) ..and Sam Laporta (Lions) ..before settling on drafting 2nd rd. bust TE Luke Schoonmaker..

- To this day, That Luke pick still burns at me.
But to me, it is vital to implement Ferguson back into this offense. With Opposing defenses having to defend and focus on both Lamb & Pickens, things should open up opportunity for Fergy in 2025.

I like the TE room, much deeper than many are realizing at this point.

 

[Chasing6]

I hope you mean real coach because Belichick was horrible with player acquisitions. Great coach horrible GM.

Are you are saying a horrible GM can win 6 SB's?

If that is the case Jethro should have 10 by now.