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Chief

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I was shocked Jerry didn't fire Wade after the defense gave the Texas Stadium finale to the Ravens, then the team didn't show up in Philadelphia with the playoffs at stake last year.

That showed me that Jerry decided to make this season about the stadium and saving money (under the bogus talk of "continuity.")

I think in most cases, teams take on the identity of their head coach.

The old Cowboys under Tom Landry were smart, analytical teams that paid attention to detail. Jimmy's Cowboys were brash, confident. Bill Cowher's Steelers were fiery and tough. Bill Belichick's Patriots are generally well-prepared, smart and confident.

Wade is an easy-going, good guy who always looks at the bright side. He knows defense, but he has no ability to lead. He has no charisma. He has no concept of psychology and knowing which buttons to push. He's an excuse-maker. He doesn't seem decisive during games or even in press conferences.

Wade is a co-pilot. A vice-president. The guy behind the scenes. He's a "B," not an "A."

He's not the guy who should be making the big decisions or addressing the team before a big game.

This team has taken on Wade's persona. It's not confident. It doesn't usually finish. It's sloppy. It makes excuses.

It's not all Wade's fault. He works under a dysfunctional management structure built by Jerry, where players freely go over the coach's head. Wade's general manager doesn't seem to believe in the concept of team chemistry, and spends half his time as the franchise's promoter (or "carnival barker," as some have said).

I think Jerry believes he's the face of the franchise. In lieu of a dominant head coach with a strong personality, I think Jerry believes he fills that role. It doesn't work that way. For the players' sake, it has to be the head coach for the whole thing to work.

And the players should share some blame, too. Fair or not, I look at Flozell Adams and I see the poster child for the past several years' failings. He epitomizes the modern-day Cowboy -- talented, but sloppy, not focused and lacking discipline. He'll make great plays, then when it seems to matter most, he'll make a dumb mistake. He plays his best in a contract year. That's just one guy, but he symbolizes these players.

This constant theme of penalties, missed tackles, dropped passes, and general sloppy play is a product of a lot of things, but the head coach is the one that has to fix it.

Wade should have never been brought back after last season (I gave up on him the season before after his post-season "Elite 8" news conference).

Normally, I wouldn't support a coaching change during the season, but this is a good opportunity to at least get a glimpse of what Jason Garrett could be as a head coach. Then, you go into the off-season with more knowledge about the best course for the future of the Cowboys.

I don't have a strong opinion about who would be the best choice to coach this team next year, but I would start by getting an 11-game look at Garrett. If you don't see a decisive leader, who doesn't have a grasp of the big picture and can't manage an entire team, then you look elsewhere. There are about four or five free agent coaches out there who have won Super Bowls. That would be a good place to start.

I was happy that the team fought back and won on Sunday, but I didn't celebrate it like a fourth Super Bowl like Jerry did. The big picture, Jerry. The big picture.
 

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i agree with everything except the last couple paragraphs simply because i dont feel like the season is lost yet. If it goes south then by all means get rid of wade for the last games and see how Garrett handles it. If there is not significant improvement then you fire him at the end and get to start from scratch?

Tell me again why Rex Ryan and Brian Dawkins aren't employed by the Cowboys?
 

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Our OWNER just announced that HE couldn't coach Ball out of that hit. If that quote doesn't tell the world what our problem is, nothing will.
 

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Chris in SoCal;3012122 said:
Our OWNER just announced that HE couldn't coach Ball out of that hit. If that quote doesn't tell the world what our problem is, nothing will.

He's a big part of the problem, but he isn't going anywhere.

Unfortunately.
 

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Well written...and on target.

Problem is, we can write this stuff for another decade.

The foundation of this organization is the problem. We continue to address and dissect what is built on top of that foundation...players, assistant coaches, coaches, etc.

There's one common element in all the failures...the foundation.
 

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I agree that StayPuff needs to go, but I do not support doing it now.

We are freaking 3-2!!!!!

You dont fire your head coach when the team has a winning record, that is just dumb. Once we are officially eliminated from contention, then we start handing out pink slips.
 

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Wade would do no better even if the players knew they could not go over his head. He is simply not a good head coach. You said it best, Chief. He is a co-pilot, not a pilot.

I really don't think he can change either. The players may or may not improve on their own but Wade doesn't have the personality or force-of-will to effect that change.
 

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So what do you do if Garrett coaches us to a 9-7, no-playoffs season?

Is that enough to keep him? Or is that a "disaster" like last season was?

What if he got a rash of injuries and we finished 6-10? Are the injuries an excuse?

If he does 10-6 or so, how would you prove that Wade wouldn't have done the same thing? We're 3-2 right now.

Besides, anything less than a gangbusters year and Garrett would probably argue that he didn't get to run training camp the way he wanted or start the first five games the way he wanted, and maybe he'd be right.

I just don't get what people see in Garrett other than the old Glory Days, dad-was-a-scout, Princeton angle. None of which makes him a good coach.

When Parcells quit and I heard Jerry had hired Garrett, I thought great, we got a consensus good, young coach in here. Those are hard to find, so that's a great addition.

But going with what my own eyes see, I don't understand why people think he'd be better than a Holmgren or Shanahan.
 

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Chief very good post. The only portion of your argument that I disagree with is making Jason Garrett Interim-Head Coach.

Honestly, promoting Jason Garrett to this point would be promoting mediocrity and blatant incompetence and this puts us back in the Dave Campo years.

I believe Wade Phillips should be the Head Coach of this team no matter what happens this season. I don't believe in firing Head Coaches during the season, unless you already have a talented and proven Assistant you plan to promote and stick with.

The member of this board that went to the game and said the players would yell and argue with Jason Garrett during the Chiefs game is all you need to know about Jason Garrett.
 

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Juke99;3012140 said:
Well written...and on target.

Problem is, we can write this stuff for another decade.

The foundation of this organization is the problem. We continue to address and dissect what is built on top of that foundation...players, assistant coaches, coaches, etc.

There's one common element in all the failures...the foundation.

:hammer: And thats the sad part of this whole situation. Jerry is a prime example of the saying "Height of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect different result". Jerry is so warped in his Ego, that he is bent on the GM when this team wins a SB.

Guess what? I don't think this team will ever win another SB. Just like you said, the foundation is wrong and that will never change till Jerry dies or becomes too old to be involved in the team too much. Because for all the gambling he does with players, he never does that with Coaches. Nor will he give control to coaches and make sure Players know that HC is the ultimate authority.
 

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I was happy that the team fought back and won on Sunday, but I didn't celebrate it like a fourth Super Bowl like Jerry did. The big picture, Jerry. The big picture.

Yeah, I don't have much confidence in this team like I did in the 90s.
 

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Chief;3012105 said:
I was shocked Jerry didn't fire Wade after the defense gave the Texas Stadium finale to the Ravens, then the team didn't show up in Philadelphia with the playoffs at stake last year.

That showed me that Jerry decided to make this season about the stadium and saving money (under the bogus talk of "continuity.")

I think in most cases, teams take on the identity of their head coach.

The old Cowboys under Tom Landry were smart, analytical teams that paid attention to detail. Jimmy's Cowboys were brash, confident. Bill Cowher's Steelers were fiery and tough. Bill Belichick's Patriots are generally well-prepared, smart and confident.

Wade is an easy-going, good guy who always looks at the bright side. He knows defense, but he has no ability to lead. He has no charisma. He has no concept of psychology and knowing which buttons to push. He's an excuse-maker. He doesn't seem decisive during games or even in press conferences.

Wade is a co-pilot. A vice-president. The guy behind the scenes. He's a "B," not an "A."

He's not the guy who should be making the big decisions or addressing the team before a big game.

This team has taken on Wade's persona. It's not confident. It doesn't usually finish. It's sloppy. It makes excuses.

It's not all Wade's fault. He works under a dysfunctional management structure built by Jerry, where players freely go over the coach's head. Wade's general manager doesn't seem to believe in the concept of team chemistry, and spends half his time as the franchise's promoter (or "carnival barker," as some have said).

I think Jerry believes he's the face of the franchise. In lieu of a dominant head coach with a strong personality, I think Jerry believes he fills that role. It doesn't work that way. For the players' sake, it has to be the head coach for the whole thing to work.

And the players should share some blame, too. Fair or not, I look at Flozell Adams and I see the poster child for the past several years' failings. He epitomizes the modern-day Cowboy -- talented, but sloppy, not focused and lacking discipline. He'll make great plays, then when it seems to matter most, he'll make a dumb mistake. He plays his best in a contract year. That's just one guy, but he symbolizes these players.

This constant theme of penalties, missed tackles, dropped passes, and general sloppy play is a product of a lot of things, but the head coach is the one that has to fix it.

Wade should have never been brought back after last season (I gave up on him the season before after his post-season "Elite 8" news conference).

Normally, I wouldn't support a coaching change during the season, but this is a good opportunity to at least get a glimpse of what Jason Garrett could be as a head coach. Then, you go into the off-season with more knowledge about the best course for the future of the Cowboys.

I don't have a strong opinion about who would be the best choice to coach this team next year, but I would start by getting an 11-game look at Garrett. If you don't see a decisive leader, who doesn't have a grasp of the big picture and can't manage an entire team, then you look elsewhere. There are about four or five free agent coaches out there who have won Super Bowls. That would be a good place to start.

I was happy that the team fought back and won on Sunday, but I didn't celebrate it like a fourth Super Bowl like Jerry did. The big picture, Jerry. The big picture.

totally agree Chief
 

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Wade and going forward from here

Very good write up!!!

We have been moving backwards with Wade since December 2007. I do not think we will all the sudden change. Wade is too soft. We need to find a happy middle between Bill and Wade. Bill was too much of a hard *** and Wade is a powder puff.
 

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"We're going to get him on the field," Phillips said. "His run after the catch is so strong that if you get him the football, he's liable to make a big play. He obviously showed he could do that. We've got to get him in the game. He's got to get his touches. That's just the bottom line. Give him a chance to do it again."


It's funny that I think probably about 75% of the folks on the forum made that same comment during pre-season. :laugh2:
 

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Chocolate Lab;3012187 said:
So what do you do if Garrett coaches us to a 9-7, no-playoffs season?

Is that enough to keep him? Or is that a "disaster" like last season was?

What if he got a rash of injuries and we finished 6-10? Are the injuries an excuse?

If he does 10-6 or so, how would you prove that Wade wouldn't have done the same thing? We're 3-2 right now.

Besides, anything less than a gangbusters year and Garrett would probably argue that he didn't get to run training camp the way he wanted or start the first five games the way he wanted, and maybe he'd be right.

I just don't get what people see in Garrett other than the old Glory Days, dad-was-a-scout, Princeton angle. None of which makes him a good coach.

When Parcells quit and I heard Jerry had hired Garrett, I thought great, we got a consensus good, young coach in here. Those are hard to find, so that's a great addition.

But going with what my own eyes see, I don't understand why people think he'd be better than a Holmgren or Shanahan.

Yeah, it is bizarre that anybody would think Holmgren and Shanahan would be a downgrade from Jason Garrett.
 

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so if everybody plays the best ball in contract years we should just make everybodys contract expire on the same year! right?
 

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Chief;3012105 said:
I was shocked Jerry didn't fire Wade after the defense gave the Texas Stadium finale to the Ravens, then the team didn't show up in Philadelphia with the playoffs at stake last year.

That showed me that Jerry decided to make this season about the stadium and saving money (under the bogus talk of "continuity.")

I think in most cases, teams take on the identity of their head coach.

The old Cowboys under Tom Landry were smart, analytical teams that paid attention to detail. Jimmy's Cowboys were brash, confident. Bill Cowher's Steelers were fiery and tough. Bill Belichick's Patriots are generally well-prepared, smart and confident.

Wade is an easy-going, good guy who always looks at the bright side. He knows defense, but he has no ability to lead. He has no charisma. He has no concept of psychology and knowing which buttons to push. He's an excuse-maker. He doesn't seem decisive during games or even in press conferences.

Wade is a co-pilot. A vice-president. The guy behind the scenes. He's a "B," not an "A."

He's not the guy who should be making the big decisions or addressing the team before a big game.

This team has taken on Wade's persona. It's not confident. It doesn't usually finish. It's sloppy. It makes excuses.

It's not all Wade's fault. He works under a dysfunctional management structure built by Jerry, where players freely go over the coach's head. Wade's general manager doesn't seem to believe in the concept of team chemistry, and spends half his time as the franchise's promoter (or "carnival barker," as some have said).

I think Jerry believes he's the face of the franchise. In lieu of a dominant head coach with a strong personality, I think Jerry believes he fills that role. It doesn't work that way. For the players' sake, it has to be the head coach for the whole thing to work.

And the players should share some blame, too. Fair or not, I look at Flozell Adams and I see the poster child for the past several years' failings. He epitomizes the modern-day Cowboy -- talented, but sloppy, not focused and lacking discipline. He'll make great plays, then when it seems to matter most, he'll make a dumb mistake. He plays his best in a contract year. That's just one guy, but he symbolizes these players.

This constant theme of penalties, missed tackles, dropped passes, and general sloppy play is a product of a lot of things, but the head coach is the one that has to fix it.

Wade should have never been brought back after last season (I gave up on him the season before after his post-season "Elite 8" news conference).

Normally, I wouldn't support a coaching change during the season, but this is a good opportunity to at least get a glimpse of what Jason Garrett could be as a head coach. Then, you go into the off-season with more knowledge about the best course for the future of the Cowboys.

I don't have a strong opinion about who would be the best choice to coach this team next year, but I would start by getting an 11-game look at Garrett. If you don't see a decisive leader, who doesn't have a grasp of the big picture and can't manage an entire team, then you look elsewhere. There are about four or five free agent coaches out there who have won Super Bowls. That would be a good place to start.

I was happy that the team fought back and won on Sunday, but I didn't celebrate it like a fourth Super Bowl like Jerry did. The big picture, Jerry. The big picture.

In principal, I would never wish for a person to lose his job. But this is NFL football and it is entertainment. It is not real life. I'm sorry that Phillips is not a good head coach. But yes, he should be let go now. Even though the Cowboys are 3-2, we are not going anywhere any time soon under this head coach.

I myself would like to see Bill Cowher be the head coach with Garrett as the OC. I don't feel Shanahan would work in Dallas. Just my opinion.

Wade do something to impress us. Unfortunately I don't see it happening.
 
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