Wade Phillips: Tournovers did us in (Paraphrasing)

[JBS]

I don't know if any of you guys heard Wade Phillips' post game speach, after our debacle at the Linc. But in my opinion there was 1 key thing that Wade Phillips mentioned. I do not remember what Wade said verbatim but it was something along the lines that turnovers are what did us in not only in the philly game but during the entire season.

Mind you im sitting on my couch at the time after that excruciating defeat in which we turned the ball over 5 times thinking "no _ sherlock" but wade continued by mentioning that he was not just talking about today but the entire season and immediately im thinking he is blaming Tony Romo but then he goes on to mention not only us turning the ball over but our lack of forcing turnovers.

When I think of the San Diego Chargers defense of a few years ago I think of 2 things and those 2 things are sacks and turnovers. Now I could be completely wrong and I wont try and save face and do research to make sure what I am saying is correct but we finally have gotten the sacks part down to the point of where I want them. Now it is time we finally start to force some turnovers.

I know many people here want Wade gone and in all honesty I am not quite certain of what I want but I do know I want to win and one thing that I believe is keeping our defense from being DOMINANT is their inability to put points on the Dallas Cowboys side of the scoreboard. This defense took a gigantic step forward from years past this year - here is to hoping it can take that next step from good to great and be mentioned along with those defenses in Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

One thing I can say for certain - is that if Wade for some reason is NOT a part of the Dallas Cowboys next year I am indeed frightened the defense will fall back to where it was last year and and in years past. Here is to hoping this defense takes it to that next level! If nothing else those words from Wade did at least get me thinking that he indeed has some sense of what things need to happen from a defensive standpoint - so that was good to hear.

 

[TD-33]

I don't know if any of you guys heard Wade Phillips' post game speach, after our debacle at the Linc. But in my opinion there was 1 key thing that Wade Phillips mentioned. I do not remember what Wade said verbatim but it was something along the lines that turnovers are what did us in not only in the philly game but during the entire season.

Mind you im sitting on my couch at the time after that excruciating defeat in which we turned the ball over 5 times thinking "no _ sherlock" but wade continued by mentioning that he was not just talking about today but the entire season and immediately im thinking he is blaming Tony Romo but then he goes on to mention not only us turning the ball over but our lack of forcing turnovers.

When I think of the San Diego Chargers defense of a few years ago I think of 2 things and those 2 things are sacks and turnovers. Now I could be completely wrong and I wont try and save face and do research to make sure what I am saying is correct but we finally have gotten the sacks part down to the point of where I want them. Now it is time we finally start to force some turnovers.

I know many people here want Wade gone and in all honesty I am not quite certain of what I want but I do know I want to win and one thing that I believe is keeping our defense from being DOMINANT is their inability to put points on the Dallas Cowboys side of the scoreboard. This defense took a gigantic step forward from years past this year - here is to hoping it can take that next step from good to great and be mentioned along with those defenses in Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

One thing I can say for certain - is that if Wade for some reason is NOT a part of the Dallas Cowboys next year I am indeed frightened the defense will fall back to where it was last year and and in years past. Here is to hoping this defense takes it to that next level! If nothing else those words from Wade did at least get me thinking that he indeed has some sense of what things need to happen from a defensive standpoint - so that was good to hear.

With a nasty hard-hitting safety and as a bonus a 350lbs NT the Cowboy's defense will be rocking for real.

 

[Alexander]

Yes, Romo is to blame for quite a few of the turnovers.

But what I don't understand is how poorly our vaunted secondary did at generating them via interceptions? Eight interceptions is pathetic, especially when you consider the talent and money invested in the secondary.

 

[TD-33]

Yes, Romo is to blame for quite a few of the turnovers.

But what I don't understand is how poorly our vaunted secondary did at generating them via interceptions? Eight interceptions is pathetic, especially when you consider the talent and money invested in the secondary.

Hey at least when Newman came back they were able to play press coverage, that helped BIG TIME. Without that they wouldn't have done squat.

 

[theogt]

Turnovers, in my opinion, are a symptom of the problem, not THE problem.

 

[tyke1doe]

Turnovers, in my opinion, are a symptom of the problem, not THE problem.

Agreed.

 

[adbutcher]

Turnovers, in my opinion, are a symptom of the problem, not THE problem.

Agreed.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

One thing I can say for certain - is that if Wade for some reason is NOT a part of the Dallas Cowboys next year I am indeed frightened the defense will fall back to where it was last year and and in years past.

I'm not afraid of that because last year we had holes in the secondary. This time we have Jenkins and Scandrick as up and coming players. We also FINALLY used D-Ware as a pass-rusher more. That alone allowed the D to impriove, and will continue to do so if we do that next5 year, with or withoutt Wade Phillips calling the defense. If he ghoes, the D will be fine, or possibly improve, as long as a capable replacement comes in his place.

 

[RoadRunner]

Yes, Romo is to blame for quite a few of the turnovers.

But what I don't understand is how poorly our vaunted secondary did at generating them via interceptions? Eight interceptions is pathetic, especially when you consider the talent and money invested in the secondary.

What is even more pathetic is that we are always told that a fierce pass rush generates interceptions. Well, we had one of the fiercest pass rushes in the league this year, yet it didn't translate to interceptions at all.

Even more mind boggling is that our DBs are NEVER in the right place at the right time to catch tipped passes or floaters like Romo threw up to Ed Reed for example. No, we have Newman getting burned by DBs who just go right up there and get the floater in front of him for example.

Scheme? Campo's coaching? Bad players? Who knows.

 

[Alexander]

Scheme? Campo's coaching? Bad players? Who knows.

I know. I said it when he was brought back, he would bring a loser's mentality and since he was more of a Jerry Jones hire than a Wade Phillips hire it is no wonder there was a problem.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I know. I said it when he was brought back, he [Dave Campo] would bring a loser's mentality and since he was more of a Jerry Jones hire than a Wade Phillips hire it is no wonder there was a problem.

That's C-R-A-P, sorry! We drafted two DBs wh both played well as corners. Should we crucify (err, annoint) Campo for that too? How about dealing with injuries to Newman and suspensions to Pacman, and how the secondary absorbed those as best it could. Were thos on Campo too? Please, how about a little realism?

The secondary struggled most when it played zone-coverage. Campo was brought in to coach a man-to-man game in the secondary, and the secondary played well in that look once Phillips took over the play-calling from Stewart and instilled more man-to-man looks in the coverage game. Let's please not put the problems on Campo when the facts prove otherwise.

Campo is a great DB coach; he was a great D-Coordinator also (and actually, he was a better D-Coordinator than he was a Secondary coach). He just was not a good head coach, just like Phillips isn't. In fact, if one of the changes that Phillips instills (since Jerry Jones is keeping him as the head coach) is promoting Campo to D-Coordinator, allowing him to also mix in some 4-3 looks, then I would be ecstatic with this defense going into next season; and that's because I know Campo favors the man-to-man scheme, and likes to solely use DE's (like Ware can be used) to pressure the QB into submission.

 

[BAT]

The Cowboys D generated a more consistent and more succesful pass rush this season compared to last season, but caused far fewer turnovers than last season.

One of the hallmarks of a Campo taught secondary is to play the man instead of the ball, stressing technique over instinct. This could be a factor. Pacman's hands of stone is another factor.

Another observation is that when the Cowboys finally decided to play man2man at the end of the season, the turnovers increased considerably.

 

[BAT]

Campo's prowess as a DC is so overrated, to almost mythic proportions. Haley absolutely hated his vanilla-no adjustments defenses.

And Campo is more comfortable coaching zone coverage, not man 2 man. It was because he had Deion Sanders that it appeared that he was some great man2man secondary coaching genius. Campo left Deion to cover one side and played cover 2 on the other side_how hard was that to figure out, Atlanta & SF literally drew that up for him???

That's C-R-A-P, sorry! We drafted two DBs wh both played well as corners. Should we crucify (err, annoint) Campo for that too? How about dealing with injuries to Newman and suspensions to Pacman, and how the secondary absorbed those as best it could. Were thos on Campo too? Please, how about a little realism?

The secondary struggled most when it played zone-coverage. Campo was brought in to coach a man-to-man game in the secondary, and the secondary played well in that look once Phillips took over the play-calling from Stewart and instilled more man-to-man looks in the coverage game. Let's please not put the problems on Campo when the facts prove otherwise.

Campo is a great DB coach; he was a great D-Coordinator also (and actually, he was a better D-Coordinator than he was a Secondary coach). He just was not a good head coach, just like Phillips isn't. In fact, if one of the changes that Phillips instills (since Jerry Jones is keeping him as the head coach) is promoting Campo to D-Coordinator, allowing him to also mix in some 4-3 looks, then I would be ecstatic with this defense going into next season; and that's because I know Campo favors the man-to-man scheme, and likes to solely use DE's (like Ware can be used) to pressure the QB into submission.

 

[Venger]

But what I don't understand is how poorly our vaunted secondary did at generating them via interceptions? Eight interceptions is pathetic, especially when you consider the talent and money invested in the secondary.

At what point did our secondary become vaunted? The secondary is by far our weakest point on defense. Other than Newman, who I think is an average CB (but could be a very good FS), who on our secondary is considered even average? PacMan? Guy is AWFUL in coverage. Henry has lost too many steps, though he has always had a knack for the ball. We are weak - weak - weak - in the secondary. Again, outside of Newman, we are below average.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Yes, Romo is to blame for quite a few of the turnovers.

But what I don't understand is how poorly our vaunted secondary did at generating them via interceptions? Eight interceptions is pathetic, especially when you consider the talent and money invested in the secondary.

We didn't have very good strong safety play the entire year. Roy was hurt, so you can't really blame him...although I'm not expecting him to be better next year than what we got this year. Hamlin isn't a ballhawk (although I still think he's a solid safety). Plus, playing in the 3-4 we really don't have a good coverage linebacker. Zach is good, but only played 2 downs. Hopefully we can get a good, athletic ILB that can cover and play all 3 downs.

With that, that means the picks are going to have to come from the corners because the safeties can't really do it and neither can the LB's. Newman got hurt early on which hurt things. Pacman really didn't adjust as well as we hoped (although I don't think he was bad). Jenkins and Scandrick had to adjust. Henry was horrible early on and then made a turn around, plus Henry is usually the best corner we have when it comes to picks because he has good hands and gets thrown at a lot.

Not only that, from studying statistics it does seem like interceptions are *somewhat* a bit of luck. Every team tends to struggle with them from time to time...even the Eagles (only 9 last year) and the Ravens have struggled with getting picks. It's not as relient on luck as getting fumbles, but there still seems to be some luck involved. My guess is that if the pass rush keeps improving or remains quite good (and history shows that Wade's pass rush is usually excellent), then the picks will come.

Now we just have to get Romo to stop being so careless with the ball and make some adjustments here and there.




YAKUZA

 

[Alexander]

That's C-R-A-P, sorry! We drafted two DBs wh both played well as corners. Should we crucify (err, annoint) Campo for that too? How about dealing with injuries to Newman and suspensions to Pacman, and how the secondary absorbed those as best it could. Were thos on Campo too? Please, how about a little realism?

Realism? Eight interceptions is realism.

The secondary struggled most when it played zone-coverage. Campo was brought in to coach a man-to-man game in the secondary

Link demonstrating this please. Phillips was clear we would be using both schemes, not that Campo was brought in to coach this.

and the secondary played well in that look once Phillips took over the play-calling from Stewart and instilled more man-to-man looks in the coverage game.

So it is not Campo, the secondary coach's issue, but Stewart's? Okay, but that rationale we should never have fired Read. That was Phillips' fault.

Let's please not put the problems on Campo when the facts prove otherwise.

Facts? I have facts. Eight interceptions played a direct role in our negative turnover ratio. What facts do you have? I will be waiting.

In fact, if one of the changes that Phillips instills (since Jerry Jones is keeping him as the head coach) is promoting Campo to D-Coordinator, allowing him to also mix in some 4-3 looks, then I would be ecstatic with this defense going into next season

I am glad you are not in charge of this team.