Wade, where in the Sam Hill is the Championship Defense you promised us?

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Wade, where in the Sam Hill is the Championship Defense you promised us?



If you remember, the Cowboys Doomsday Defense was first established in the early 1970’s to 1982, and then the Cowboys doomsday defense resurfaced in the 1990’s under Head Coach Jimmy Johnson. As the old saying goes in football, defense wins championships, so back in the NFL draft of 2002 the cowboys started by drafting players in the draft to get the Cowboys defense back to the good old glory days. Which netted the Cowboys with safety Roy Williams, then in 2005, the Cowboys hit a gold bananza with the drafting of Demarcus Ware and Marcus Spears, with Kevin Burnett, Chris Canty and Jay Ratliff drafted later in the draft. With another two first round selections in 2008 too, the Cowboys drafted Felix Jones, but added young stars Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick. Heck, you could even say that in the 2007 draft, Head Coach Wade Phillips first year with the Cowboys as head coach, good ole Wade drafted Anthony Spencer.

So, you get the idea, the Cowboys were supposedly building a dominant defense under the watchful eye of defensive coordinator and Head Coach guru Wade Phillips. Yeah, I know some of you have doubts about Wade like I do as a head coach. Yet, that is why Jerry Jones hired Wade over Norv Turner was the expertise of Wade in the 3-4 defense. So, in retrospect, Jerry Jones was trying to be sure that whoever coached the Cowboys knew the 3-4 defense inside out and could keep it running to full throttle towards the “championship defense” of the old glory days for the Doomsday Defense.

Now Cowboys fans myself included want to know where in the Sam Hill is the dominant defense we’re suppose to have? For instance, the Cowboys since 2002 spent top picks on defense. Here are the listed top picks; Number one picks Roy Williams 2002, Terence Newman 2003, Demarcus Ware and Marcus Spears, with Kevin Burnett a # 2 in 2005, Bobby Carpenter in 2006 with Jason Hatcher as a 3rd rounder, Anthony Spencer in 2007, Mike Jenkins in 2008, and Jason Williams a 3rd rounder our top pick in 2009. So, where is the famed Doomsday Defense Wade?

Honestly, who are we to blame on those draft picks, Campo or Jerry Jones on S Roy Williams? How about Bobby Carpenter drafted by the famed Bill Parcells or Anthony Spencer drafted by Wade? So, who do we really blame? Maybe we just need to sit back, absorb this all in and then decide calmly, coolly and rationally.

Some fans holler it’s the scheme or some fans yell, It’s the cotton picking players, or some yell, No, it’s the Head Coach or Jerry Jones. Then, one person calmly taking it all in rationally says It’s Both, Jerry and the Coach, or the coach and the players. Still though, when some fans are screaming the loudest, usually those are the ones to jump ship first or those fans don’t realize that if the offense did what they are suppose to, then it wouldn’t matter. As another old football saying, it’s a team sport, all aspects of the team offense, defense and special teams are involved.
The first year under Wade with the Cowboys, Wade did build a solid defense, but what the heck happened after that. Is it that Wade’s schemes are too outdated and teams are catching up to his techniques? Do teams now days, need new inventive ideas from younger coaches. Remember, young defensive coaches like Tom Landry, Lombardi, and Don Shula came up with different ideas on defense that changed defenses. So, what really is wrong with our Cowboys defense?

If any one person could point to what the real problem is, I am sure that Jerry Jones would pay him a fortune. So, let’s look at what we do know.

First, last year, key injuries hit the defensive side of the football for the Cowboys. As in any sport, you have to keep your top defenders free from injury. Just look at how the Steelers are suffering now without their star safety, Palomalu. So, key players like Newman, Bradie James, Ware, Ratliff, and a few others must stay healthy.

Second, Wade must get all of the players on the same page so this defense must excel. However, not running your blitz packages enough in preseason and training camp because you didn’t want to get players hurt Wade doesn’t cut it with me and I am sure doesn’t cut it with a lot of other Dallas Cowboy fans. Another issue last year, players were confused, like for instance, how many times were 12 men on the field Wade? The last game against the Giants, Newman looked totally confused and lost or out of place like Hamlin was. So, what in the heck are you doing in practices Wade? Jay Ratliff said the other day that all the players are eager to learn. So, why in the world aren’t they learning? Is it because some of the younger players don’t give a heck or hoot? Or that the players aren’t smart enough to learn your complex defense Wade. Wait, that doesn’t make sense because your suppose to be the guru on defense wade and the Jets new head coach installed a very complex blitz package and his players are excelling. Like for instance in the Giant game last year up in New York finger pointing starter with players yelling, that’s your man, no that’s your man. Or like in the Cowboys home opener before the end of the game on the final drive, players were hollering at the sidelines wrong call on defense. Does it really boil down to poor coaching? I thought that’s what training camp was for Wade for you to get the players ready on defense to play and be geared up. Yet, there you were after the Tampa Bay game saying I didn’t run the blitz packages enough. And there you were after the Cowboys Giants home opener saying I misread my thinking that our man coverage was good enough for the season. So, the Cowboys may have to go back to zone defense. Just like last year too, teams were saying that our schemes on defense and offense were to vanilla, and that they knew exactly what the Cowboys were going to do. That has got to change!

Finally, for any team there must be luck involved. For whatever strange reason Sunday night the Giants were getting the bounces of the ball and the Cowboys weren’t. You just have to have lady luck on your side sometimes. So, should Dallas Cowboys fans expect Wade Phillips to put a top defense onto the field? You betcha, because the talent is there, it’s up to the defensive coaches, defensive players on defense to step up and be counted as leaders like Ratliff, Ware and Bradie to demand accountability from themselves and the players, with Wade doing his part too because if some of the things I mentioned aren’t fixed there won’t be a championship Doomsday Defense for the Cowboys this year.
 

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Wade needs to committ to pressure or not.

If you are going to man up you need to do it with press coverage rather than soft man.

If you are not going to go with press coverage go back to zone.

It is just too easy right now, even if we get to the QB quick he has an easy option.

By the way, if our CB's could get away with what I see other teams CB's get away with our D would be much better. Just take a lokk at the Steelers CB' in yesterdays game if you want to know what I am talking about. Ike Taylor kept illegal contact from the line of scrimmage to 30 yards downfield yesterday with 85 until the ball got there with a ref watching the whole thing.

The only yellow was the terrible towels waving in the stands.

It was ridiculous!
 

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aikemirv;2972650 said:
By the way, if our CB's could get away with what I see other teams CB's get away with our D would be much better. Just take a lokk at the Steelers CB' in yesterdays game if you want to know what I am talking about. Ike Taylor kept illegal contact from the line of scrimmage to 30 yards downfield yesterday with 85 until the ball got there with a ref watching the whole thing.

The only yellow was the terrible towels waving in the stands.

It was ridiculous!

I saw the same thing on that Steelers game. Incredible.

You just wish the refs would have some kind of consistency.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2972663 said:
I saw the same thing on that Steelers game. Incredible.

You just wish the refs would have some kind of consistency.

totally agree, but that goes back to when you win a superbowl championship, then refs tend to overlook you, till they are called out by other coaches etc

thats just the way it is, you have to win that championship first to get away with things
 

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The NFL is a passing league, which means you need a top secondary to defend that and win a Championship with defense. The 70s and 90s Cowboys had top-notch secondaries. In the 90s you had Kevin Smith as a true shut-down corner, and at the end of his carreer, Deion Sanders came in to fil his role. Even Larry Brown was above average on the other side of Smith/Sanders. In fact, the 90s defense didn't pick up until Larry Brown came in to replace Issaic Holt (remeber that guy?). And at safety you had a Hall-of-Famef calliber safety in Darren Woodson. And you had other top-notch safeties like Thomas Everett, James Washington, etc playing alongside Woodson. These guys were all-pros and top notch at their respective positions.

These current Cowboys only have Newman at CB. When healthy, he's been formidable but he has missed games, thus limiting his overall effectiveness. The best thing we had going at Safety was Roy Willimas but the bottom fell out of that draft pick when Woodson left. Since then we've had to go purely into free agency to shore up the Safety corps, which means we're average at best there (i.e. NOT top notch). And at CB we still have unproven talent (we're NOT top-noth there either). Yes they young pups at CB are promising, but the last game proved they're still trying to clinb up that learning curve; they're nowhere near "there" yet.

So if you want to look to see where the defrnse is struggling, it's with respect to the secondary - the weak link of the defense. And in this passing league caled the NFL, that's been the weak link for these Cowboys for years.
 

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Pass rush can make a lot of DB's look good. And Dallas hasn't seen good pass rushing since Tolbert, Haley, Lett, Castillas, etc.

Both are factors in this failing defense as of now.
 

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Im still trying to figure out why Campo is the defensive backs coach. They seem to be regressing not improving under his wing.
 

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its virtually the same defense as under Brian Stewart...

maybe it's not the coaching.
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;2972717 said:
The NFL is a passing league, which means you need a top secondary to defend that and win a Championship with defense. The 70s and 90s Cowboys had top-notch secondaries. In the 90s you had Kevin Smith as a true shut-down corner, and at the end of his carreer, Deion Sanders came in to fil his role. Even Larry Brown was above average on the other side of Smith/Sanders. In fact, the 90s defense didn't pick up until Larry Brown came in to replace Issaic Holt (remeber that guy?). And at safety you had a Hall-of-Famef calliber safety in Darren Woodson. And you had other top-notch safeties like Thomas Everett, James Washington, etc playing alongside Woodson. These guys were all-pros and top notch at their respective positions.

These current Cowboys only have Newman at CB. When healthy, he's been formidable but he has missed games, thus limiting his overall effectiveness. The best thing we had going at Safety was Roy Willimas but the bottom fell out of that draft pick when Woodson left. Since then we've had to go purely into free agency to shore up the Safety corps, which means we're average at best there (i.e. NOT top notch). And at CB we still have unproven talent (we're NOT top-noth there either). Yes they young pups at CB are promising, but the last game proved they're still trying to clinb up that learning curve; they're nowhere near "there" yet.

So if you want to look to see where the defrnse is struggling, it's with respect to the secondary - the weak link of the defense. And in this passing league caled the NFL, that's been the weak link for these Cowboys for years.

good analysis
 

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Something even more disconcerting: The defense consists almost entirely of veteran players who are entering their third season in Wade's scheme. Yet, they seem to be regressing.
 

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Q-man17;2972809 said:
Pass rush can make a lot of DB's look good. And Dallas hasn't seen good pass rushing since Tolbert, Haley, Lett, Castillas, etc.

Both are factors in this failing defense as of now.

Our pass rush is there. In fact with Ware at one OLB, Spears at DT and Ratliff in the middle, our DL is sound, and the pass rush is there. But opposing offenses are circumventing that pass rush with quick throws designed to release the ball before the rush arrives. And they're doing that by tsaking advantage of our suspect secondary who can't effectively play man coverage.
 

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ScipioCowboy;2972857 said:
Something even more disconcerting: The defense consists almost entirely of veteran players who are entering their third season in Wade's scheme. Yet, they seem to be regressing.

Didn't they seem to do the same thing under Tuna? I'm still convinced he gave up on those guys and figured they were never going to "get it" so he left.

None the less, it's very scary.
 

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Q-man17;2972809 said:
Pass rush can make a lot of DB's look good. And Dallas hasn't seen good pass rushing since Tolbert, Haley, Lett, Castillas, etc.

Both are factors in this failing defense as of now.

yep we have no pass rushing; why?
are the players using the same techniques as last year:
do teams have the schemes of blitzing etc figured out?

with the 3-4 you have to blitz, pressure doesnt come from your front 3
as you all know

why in the world does the head coach admit that he didnt use blitz packages enough in training camp because he didnt want to get players hurt, to me thats on the head coach-defensive coordiantor no one else

the coaches are suppose to be the players in position to win, because the opposing teams are game planning to beat you
looks like to me, the opposing coaches are outsmating good ole wade
 

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Big Dakota;2972866 said:
Didn't they seem to do the same thing under Tuna? I'm still convinced he gave up on those guys and figured they were never going to "get it" so he left.

None the less, it's very scary.

Personnel evaluation is about more than raw talent. It's also about finding players with the intellectual and emotional capacity to play in the NFL. I fear the Cowboys defense lacks in this latter area.
 

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The irony about all this is, Wade might truly be a defensive guru.

However, a good/great DC also has to instill a sense of fear and respect in his troops. Do what you are taught and you will succeed. if you do not do what you are taught and told to do you will be on the first plane to Detroit or Cleveland. In a sane world, that is what Wade should tell his playaz.

That is what is missing from Wade's résumé: the vein-popping neck of a Cowher, the scolding, scorched-earth yelling of a Jimma, the stare from a Landry or a Parcells.
Wade? He just shrugs or puts his hand limply to his forehead.

That is not leadership. That is not the fear of god. That is not a way to gain respect from his players.
 

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Big Dakota;2972866 said:
Didn't they seem to do the same thing under Tuna? I'm still convinced he gave up on those guys and figured they were never going to "get it" so he left.

None the less, it's very scary.

I am the perpetual optimist and that won't change however I do agree that there are some defensive players who have the physical skills but lack the mental ability to become great and that is why at crucial times, our defense breaks down.

If you enjoy a good laugh, over on extremeskins, they are calling Tony Romo the coach killer and using Parcells exit and what they are claiming Wades soon to be exit as examples. (BTW, just to clarify, I don't agree with that one bit)
 

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Q-man17;2972809 said:
Pass rush can make a lot of DB's look good. And Dallas hasn't seen good pass rushing since Tolbert, Haley, Lett, Castillas, etc.

Both are factors in this failing defense as of now.
Really? no pass rush since Lett & Haley huh? :rolleyes:


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